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Who stays certainly won’t be up to DCFC.

Players are not fans they have a duty to get the most in terms of money and success out of their careers.

The likes of Plange and Festy have benefited from first team exposure. Bird, Knight have played enough games in the championship to show that can operate at that level and would be mad to drop a league. Lawrence is in his prime and will definitely go possibly to a relegated Peem team next term.

Morrison is on a revival and will attract interest as will Bielik.

I suppose it depends if Cashin and Thompson have done enough to attract interest but they could certainly move on. Byrne is too good for league one and will get offers.

In short Fozzie and Davies will be the only ones to start the first game next season.

25 minutes ago, Oldben said:

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/chris-kirchner-net-worth-derby-6917426

If its true, I'm worried.

Quantuma's job is to get the best deal for the creditors (and probably Quantuma themselves) not DCFC. The EFL have stated that they want to see the best deal for The Club, the fans and the community.

These positions conflict so we may yet not have a ratified deal once the EFL look at it.

Burnley are only a point behind Everton now.

I think where Everton finish this season will determine what Rooney does. I don’t think he’ll turn them down a second time.

The Council buying the stadium does seem a sensible option right now. It needn't cost the taxpayer a penny as it's basically a buy to rent option. 

The council borrows off the bank at say 3% and the club pays rent to cover the mortgage. I think Mel would sell to the Council to cover loan from MSD but he'd be less likely to let it go so cheap to CK.

It’s only been Reading’s 6 point deduction that’s kept this interesting.

We’ve managed to pick up 22 points on The Posh 20 on Barnsley but only 6 on Reading. We’ve managed to pick up 8 points on Hull, 5 on Bristol,4 on Brum and 3 on Cardiff.

The away return is what’s done us. It’s not over yet and if you take away our points deduction then we would’ve looked like being comfortably safe. Quite a feat for a team of journeymen and kids.
 

We’ll if the first 1000 pages were the most colossal amount of unsubstantiated drivel ever posted on a football website then the next 226 are the cherry on top.

Please make this be over soon.

There is only one thing holding up the sale. Folk are getting all twisted up trying to understand conflicting stories from different sources.

It's survival or relegation. That's what the buyers are waiting for. They won't tell us because it doesn't look good for a saviour waiting to be lauded by Derby County supporters to really have been holding on to get us on the cheap resulting in the cause of some serious mental anguish amongst the faithful.

So let me get this straight. Posters are advocating that bidders are expected to buy the compost heap at the bottom of Mel's garden but in order to do so MM must give them his house for free?

I'm a season ticket holder and originally was dazzled by his speed but soon the end product became very obviously lacking.

He should be improving this part of his game but he hasn't. I am quite sure he's been coached exhaustively to do something with the ball after he's skinned the defender but he just hasn't got better. 

He's a strong lad who excelled in the U23's due to his physicality that's all. 

I have nothing against the lad but I'm certainly not bothered that he's gone.

Festy is not very good. I'm surprised more don't see it. He has speed but his final ball and decision making are the worst of any winger I've seen at Derby for sometime. As for his finishing well that's rubbish too.

If it wasn't for our predicament he wouldn't be getting a sniff of first team football. Fortunately someone at Udinese is a gullible as many of our fans and has taken him off us for a fee.

If only we hadn't employed Tommy Doherty...

Doesn’t matter because you sell out either way. The only way to get football back to the people is to not pay to watch it. When all clubs go bankrupt then locals can resurrect Phoenix clubs.

Of course it won’t happen.

Myself, I’m not renewing next season. Football is no longer a sport because the bedrock of sport is fair competition, something football hasn’t been since the formation of the Premier League.

I can’t be bothered to go today. Or anymore for that matter. Football is lost to me. 
We anxiously wait for some rich person to bail us out. These person/persons have a plan involving making money. But no interest in Derby. At least Mel had a dream. He followed it and so did we. We could have made it. But didn’t.

But make what exactly? Joining a league of Rich men’s playthings. 
 

Billionaires are queuing up to buy Chelsea. Sky are more interested in a subscription from someone in South Korea than a season ticket holder in Southampton.

It not our game anymore, where just there for the sound effects.

Football sucks.

This idea that taking -15 and starting again doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. We assume we’ll be relegated and starting with virtually a new squad. There is no guarantee that we will not be relegated from div 1. Look where we are now. We have been given the task of making up 15 points on Reading and up to now we have managed 10. 

Willingly taking this option to get the team at a knock down price would mean probably a loss of revenue for the extra time in the doldrums that would far outweigh the benefits of getting us cheap.

4 minutes ago, simmoram1995 said:

Tbh I don’t necessarily think a total rebuild is a bad thing!  As long as there’s no stupid unreasonable restrictions, then actually a  strategic recruitment of players is welcome.

 

I remember when we use to have about four of every position due to chopping and changing managers , styles etc be nice to literally just have a straightforward following:

x2 GK + 1 U 23

x2 RBs  one full time and one either on loan or u23

x2 LBs the same 

 

x4 Cbs  two first teamers , a back up and an u23

x3 CM/ DM depending on our style one of those u23

 

x2 RW  one an u23 

 

x2 LW  the same as above 

 

x3 strikers two competing first teamers and one u23 understudy 

 

have a policy of sell 1-2 high end value first teamers a year  utilise the money from these sales to improve squad 

 

promote 1-3 u23 a season 

 

far more sustainable approach for a few seasons 

 

so essentially 21 players in squad with option of  + two  loan signings 

 

 

Will give himself this headache when he can just go to Everton at the end of the season? Frank is really messing it up there.

7 hours ago, atherstoneram said:

Could never see Rooney leaving mid season however once the season is over whether we are still in the championship or League One Rooney may think he has done his job.What he has achieved this season will not have gone unnoticed by other owners.

I see a situation where Lampard takes Everton down gets sacked and Rooney keeps us up. The pressure Everton will exert on him to take him off is will be extreme. They’ll offer him a fortune and the cash the build the squad he wants. That will be a very difficult job to turn down.

The only conspiracy theory that makes any sense is the notion that some want this thread to get to 1000 pages. I've heard that reaching the thousand page milestone starts a bidding war between facebook and Twitter for the advertising rights.

It can be the only reason for the posting of such a massive amount of guff.

Will the Ukraine crisis make our bidders think again about spending millions on a money pit like a football club when a global recession is just around the corner?

51 minutes ago, NottmRAM said:

I think you're misreading people's minds. I want Mike Ashley in but for the oposite reason to that which you state. Mike Ashley is incredibly good at buying businesses in distress and making them profitable. We have had an owner who tried to get us to the promised land with the shortest journey. He took a sort cut through hazardous waters, icebergs, sharks, storms. He nearly sank the ship. Now we need an owner who will get us to that promised land but who will take the long way around - through the calm waters. Mike Ashley was at Newcastle a long time. We need that, not some investment company with a three year exit strategy, but someone who will take us to the Premier league without breaking rules. It might be five years of finishing mid table before we see a top six but I will take that over the risks that MM took.

What makes you think Ashley will be able to get us to the PL faster than anyone else, or even why he would be more qualified?

GSE and Appelby got us to the play-off final without breaking any rules. Ashley's Newcastle, whilst being relegated twice, benefited from parachute payments to bounce straight back. So, as an owner, Ashley has never had to run a football club under the yoke of full EFL P&S restrictions.

Everyone seems to be hell bent on Ashley as he can splash the cash. He can't, no matter how much money he has. 

Mel invested a fortune on the squad, breaking FFP in order to make us competitive against the parachute clubs, but it broke us.

He invested heavily in the academy which isn't subject to FFP.

Ashley was criticised by The Toon Army for not investing in the infrastructure of the club, something Mel certainly did.

So money bags Mike can come in and but he cannot splurge on players because we play under FFP in this league. I don't see what a rich owner brings that will change anything. We can only spend what we earn.

So it doesn't matter who comes in the same amount of money will be available to Rooney, or whoever else is in charge next season.

It's a boring prospect but until The EFL and EPL make this a fair competition that's how it is.

Appelby 2.0 will get us stable and edging back to the top of the championship in due course.

Knight could be given more license to move inside now we are without Lawrence for 3 games. He’s more than capable and could pick up a couple of goals operating in the hole.

The Derwent defines Derby it always has and always will. Those majestic waters filled by rivers, brooks and streams as it carves it’s magnificent path through our beautiful shire. My great-&grandparents followed that river downstream from different parts of the county looking for work but found each other. The town grew as more and more people left estates like Haddon, Hardwick and Chatsworth to turn their hand to engineering.

The football team grew too. Those people who came down from the shire identifying with the County bit as much as the Derby bit, felt a natural draw to the fledgling club. Attendances grew but we had to wait a long time for a trophy.
Wait we did 62 years in fact before the FA Cup was raised high above post-war Wembley. 
But it’s never been about trophies, it’s been about community and those deep, gritstone embedded roots, anchored, immovable, in this county.

Hasn’t everyone had enough of being furious?

Surely it’s time to move on. No one is going to sue the EFL so people will not get satisfaction. It’s not going to happen and we are just going to look like a bunch of mard-arses in the eyes of the football world.

The recommendations of the fan led review regarding the EFL may or may not be implemented but that decision won’t be influenced by fans as we’ve already had our say.

The prospective buyers have been written to, the task on the pitch has become clearer and it looks extremely likely that DCFC will continue to exist so stop being furious and rejoice that we will go on.