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7 hours ago, Coconut's Beard said:

tbf, this still isn't dragging on any longer than some less complex administration cases have, so that may actually be a valid comment without the cynicism. 

Wouldn't be the first time they've overestimated others' ability to grasp what, to them, is quite elementary. 

We are not the ones who said it was done and dusted. CK said it would be done last week. Q’s statement said it would be done last Wednesday at the latest. So we assumed this incredibly complex rocket science deal that they keep going on about was already done. 
We are just waiting for the money to move and that hasn’t happened.

Why not? The deal is done. It’s like me buying pint of milk. I go to the check out and they say 70p please and I stand there for a week before getting my debit card out.

9 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

Why did Ryan Reynolds buy Wrexham?

No one knows. Perhaps he’s insane.

13 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said:

The only thing you and your little band of negativity posters are likely to lose sleep over is if CK DOES buy the Club.

We’ve been through enough trauma. I have no idea what to expect from CK and neither does anyone else. He’s a complete unknown to football. The game itself is not in his blood. He wasn’t brought up following football, not our kind anyway.

So we have a completely untried, unknown and untested person on the brink of owning our club. This is the first time this has happened to us. So forgive me if I and few other don’t share your clear view that all will be well.
 

To paraphrase Dylan Thomas.
Do not go happy clapping into that goodnight, Wolfie.

If CK is awash with funds gained through smart business acumen why buy DCFC?

We see he has sponsored well known sporting events to forward his company but he has said Slyco will not be the shirt sponsor. He says it’s not the right vehicle for his business and he is probably right. So what is DCFC to be used for? What is his motivation?

If it’s purely a vanity project then a couple of years kicking around league one will see that wear thin in short order.

I’ve said before that I don’t see the Kirchner fit and I don’t. But I’ll stand to be corrected. I didn’t think Rooney was the man and after barely avoiding relegation I was convinced of it. Circumstances gave him a second chance and he has acquitted himself fairly well.

I’ll say this though if CK falls through and we end up with Ashley -15 and no Rooney then I won’t lose any sleep over it.

14 minutes ago, RAM1966 said:

It appears the cancel culture mob are on this website.  If you show concern, you are roundly abused and dismissed.  Some of these clowns doing this are quick to forget the fake Shiek and everythings been signed, just the money to come through promises.

 

 

With you on this.

This deal isn’t done yet and it’s ok to say so. There have been some totally bonkers theories given airtime on this thread and to show concern over the CK effort to purchase the club at this time is perfectly acceptable. 
 

1 hour ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said:

Jesus wept 

I just don’t see the Kirchner fit. It makes no sense at all.

His openness shows his naivety. Fans are fickle and who do you think they’ll be tweeting every time we loses a game. It won’t be Rooney? or Cook?they’ll go straight to the top and before long CK will get fed up trying to  respond to gobby Rams or Red Dog micky takers.

This twitter lark is a pretty stupid thing to be doing in my opinion.

Another day without Kirchner is a day closer to Ashley.

I do have issues with Kirchner. I honestly think he has good intentions but he has no clue what he is getting into. He’s already getting abuse from some fans and he’s not even the owner. I also don’t understand the motivation of owning a football club in our position. There is no money in it. In fact it’s a money pit and he seems prepared to chick money away on some kind of dream. He’s adored by many rams on twitter and I’m sure that massages his ego but DCFC is no vanity project and just watch those same fans turning to abusing him if things to pear shaped.

Ashley has been there done it and understands it. I think we need him now. Kirchner is not thick skinned enough. 
He’s a nice guy but the wrong guy. Being to open and accessible if a bad thing. 
 

Also I think he’ll bail so we will never know if he could of been any good.

Telecon Q-CK.

Q “Chris, we haven’t received the funds yet”

CK “I’ve definitely sent them. Can you check again”

Q No, definitely not here.

CK “Let me check my end. I’ll put you on hold” 

7 minutes later

CK. “A bit embarrassing really. The bank require a security deposit when sending money overseas. It’s $2m US. Again slightly embarrassing. All my funds are being used up to buy the club and I don’t have the $2m. Could you ask Mel if he’ll sub me it and I’ve give him back as soon and the transfer has taken place and the deposit returned?

Q “Seems highly irregular but I’ll ask.

CK “Er this may also seem a little strange but due to various bank holidays playing havoc with this deal can you ask him to send the funds to my account at the Bank of Nigeria because they are open all week.

Q “Hmm”

Just waiting on the money now. Unfortunately CK has left his gold card in his other jeans and they’ve been sent to the laundry. Obviously he pays for Back in 24 platinum service but it means we are dropping into UK bank holidays which means he doesn’t have to get off the pot til Monday.

13 hours ago, Arsene Titman said:

I think there is a need for some balance here. I do agree that Mel is the villain - he  put us into administration when he had previously vowed to continue financing us until he could sell the club, and he left us with a lot of debt. If the information we are given is correct, he is also not asking for repayment of £135,000,000 of loans to the club and he has sold the ground for £23,000,000 ,although it was valued at £81,000,000, which will be used to pay off his debt to MSD. He was naive and got out of his depth in trying to get us to the promised land but for you to say that he is “Truly one of the most repugnant human beings to ever walk this planet” is ridiculously over the top. I hope I never come before you in a court of law.

Fair comments. Forum’s allow people to vent. He’s gone from Uncle Mel to bad smell but the reality is he was probably telling the truth when he said he couldn’t afford to subsidise the club anymore. After losing the play off final and the cupboard being bare the only option was to sell but Gibson, with the help of Maguire saying “looking here”, insisting the EFL re visit the amortisation policy scared off the Saudi’s 

It dragged on so long and Mel was losing so much, especially with no income and no loan, that he was left with no option but to act in his own interests at that point and put us into admin.

In his position many of us would have done the same thing and many of us would have even done it sooner.

How long would any of us go on chucking good money after bad. Would we be expected to do it indefinitely?

Any who says he shouldn’t have chased the dream and then was bouncing all the way to Wembley with Frank is a hypocrite.

Who’d be a football club owner.

I think the council have shot their bolt too early on the Freedom thing.

Rooney, I expect will grin and bear it as he wouldn’t be rude enough to refuse. But I’m quite sure he’ll be thinking what he’s done to deserve it over other upstanding and selfless citizens of this city. 
One could to point to the all time record of consecutive away defeats he presided over this season if anyone thought he was a great manager.

He’s not a great manager yet but he could be. He’s shown he’s a people person possessing great empathy both essential in a leader. 
 

Rooney would be first to admit he’s a work in progress and he just wants to go about his business so I don’t think he’ll appreciate or think he deserves to be lorded like this just yet.

I think we have a gem in Rooney but this freedom thing is bonkers.

Can we read between the lines with the freedom thing.

The council have voted to bestow him the honour. They would look a right bunch of muppets if he left now.

Does this mean the council as one of the team Derby stateholders know that the stadium deal is done and CK is definitely the man? 

9 minutes ago, Brailsford Ram said:

It's a token basket defence, simply because what has been found out about her is absolutely indefensible. He had to say something on her behalf to justify the big fat fees she's been stupid enough to agree to pay out to him for fighting her corner. In fairness to him, I can't think of anything better he could have said for her in the circumstances. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Any offers, anyone?

I cannot believe that Tomlinson would not have advised Vardy to snap Colleen's hand off with the 'drop hands offer' for both sides to withdraw, walk away and pay their own costs before the trial started. He understood what was coming. But Vardy was too vain and too dim and stupidly thought she could lie her way through this. She had no witnesses willing to corroborate her perjury, including Steptoe, while Colleen had a queue of people coming forward to support the truth.

I can't understand why it's going to take the judge a couple of weeks to write her judgement. I think most of the members who have posted on this thread, could do it this evening.

It is a token basket defence but likely to be successful.

RV is the plaintiff seeking damages. Specifically that she was accused of leaking info to the press about CR.

Colleen has been unable to prove this due to the alleged loss of evidence.

Furthermore CR has to specifically prove that RV did it or directed someone to.

The case is specific to one aspect. Proving, as the defence have, that RV has form unfortunately for the Rooney’s doesn’t mean she is responsible this time.

It’s almost certain that she did but almost certain is not enough.

In my opinion Vardy will win damages.

What is stunning about this case is that RV was suing for damages to her reputation but in bringing this case has done far more damage herself. Her reputation is in the bin and it’s very doubtful Jamie Vardy will be trusted by any team mates in the future.

29 minutes ago, KBB said:

100%

I have never lived in Derby or Nottingham and don't know any forest fans at all. I don't have all the "banter" on a daily basis or the dislike thst many of our fan base have.

They do deserve their day at Wembley. They have had a superb season. One to be proud of. Have probably the best young player in the league, some very good loan signings and a manager who I think will go to the top-level.

Does it pain me to say that? No, because I think even the most one eyed of us have to reluctantly say its true.

The league table does not lie.

Forest are on the cusp of the "dream" we chased in the wrong way and are now paying the price for. Will they do it? I think they might.

100% no.

I don’t give a monkey’s if they deserve it in fact I really hope the suffer the heartbreak we have at Wembley. Let them have their day out but for me I really hope it ends in disaster and that the bridge across the M1 at j24 is full of Rams fans pointing and laughing at the gumps as they cry their way home.

We can't afford Lawrence. His wages are far too high for our budget. It doesn't matter whether CK is worth £5m or £5bn he can only put a finite amount of money into the club without breaking FFP. 

We will be operating on a similar or even smaller budget than many League 1 clubs due to us having to pay creditors 35% over three years which will have to come out of club income.

Tough road ahead still. 

Granddad on Dad’s side,  Derby. Granddad on Mum’s side, Rangers

Dad -Derby

Mum - Coleraine

Everyone Else at school, Liverpool, Man Utd, Rangers and Coleraine.

Local Team growing up - Coleraine. Local team now Derby.

Kids- Derby

Radio 5 live commentator asking Dion Dublin to explain what an achievement it is for Bournemouth to get promoted. It really bugs me when they don’t acknowledge the massive advantage parachute payments give teams. Anyway regardless it didn’t take away the shear joy of hearing red dog hearts breaking.

51 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

I think I read somewhere that the person that opens the mail at the EFL is on holiday this week.

Quite correct I've heard it didn't come off his leave card either. Parry just asked if he fancied a buckshee week off. Go figure.

If he goes he goes. He’s been in the trenches with the players and fans this year but he owes us nothing.

If the noises about him building something at Derby with what seems like a consensus with CK are true then great but we don’t know how big the pull for Everton is. 

I can see Frank getting sacked before the end of the season in a desperate bid by the owner to save them. Burnley have just done it. 
Frank is a good time guy. He’s great when things are great but when Mount got injured and we lost form Frank didn’t respond well to criticism at that time. Fortunately Mount came back and we managed to get to Wembley.

But would Rooney go there. It seems he’ll have a lot of clout here a lot more autonomy than perhaps at Everton and we won’t be on his back if we don’t bounce straight back up. 
 

I think he’ll stay.

Like it but it flows better to the tune of my old man's a dustman.

The away results look bad. The reality is where we in most of those games and let’s not forget we had to set up to win those. Normally you go for a draw and nick the odd win but circumstances didn’t allow us to do that. 
Luck and some horrendous refereeing decision helpeed towards the lack of points but going for it was the only approach and we fell on our sword. No problem as the OP says, bloody proud.

We are in a very precarious position now. Reading win tomorrow and we lose then that’s 12 behind with 12 to play for. Only goal difference making it mathematically possible to stay up. We win an they lose and it’s game on. It’s the most pivotal game day of the campaign so far I think.

22 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

While I respect your experience, I  think this season has been anything but "draining", "miserable", or "pointless" on the pitch. The pride I've felt when the lads have given absolutely everything has been huge.

Even if we do go down, this team will be one that will stick in the memory for a long time. For me, that's the opposite of pointless.

I don’t disagree about the efforts on the pitch. I just feel it’s become irrelevant. So I think to myself “ how can the outcome of a game of football be irrelevant” and it’s when the efforts are overshadowed by outside factors.

Football is broken it’s fundamentally unfair and as such has lost the very essence of what drew me in the first place. 
I’ve done the blindly follow but this season my eyes have been opened and I’m dismayed by what I see.

I’m a season ticket holder but not a die hard. In fact I’ve become so disillusioned with football now that I haven’t been since the Barnsley game and doubt I’ll be going for the rest of the season.

It’s not the team or Rooney or the matchday experience. It’s the fact that whatever happens on the pitch is irrelevant. How can that be when it’s supposed to e a sport?
I know this type of situation has been going on for years but when it happens to your club it just takes the fun out of it.

This season has been so draining, so miserable so pointless so why bother anymore.

I may come back when football has become a fair completion again but I have no idea how that will ever work because the whole thing is based on self interest.

Fair play is just a buzz word. It means nothing on the pitch as there’s blantant cheating going on. Off the pitch it just, fundamentally, is not a fair competition forcing owners to cheat to compete.

It’s just crazy.

2 hours ago, Oldben said:

Does the council have the budget.

Many councils are financially struggling plus does that mean a temporary reduction in services for disadvantaged groups until the income comes in from the stadium.

Would the council need to take the risk of a very large loan.

It might be better to find a someone willing to risk acquiring the ground.

No risk or cost to the council. They buy the ground with the banks money and the new owner effectively pays the mortgage.

Buy to let basically. As long as there’s a DCFC there’ll be someone to rent. An owner may chose to buy later on. The bank will see this as a very acceptable plan, no risk.