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How do we lose to Peterborough and Barnsley if we can do this?

Teams don’t go to Fulham to try and win. 

That said, we will be going there for the win, Fulham know it, we know it. I think that makes it a bit of a strange fixture especially in November. Will Fulham be able to match our effort, desire and desperation. And will that be enough to overcome Fulham’s clear advantage in quality.

This is a cup game, I think that makes it unpredictable.

49 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

Currently 478 people have signed it. That's something like 2% of the average home gate this season. Visualise what that looks like inside Pride Park. You'd barely able to see them from the other end.

You insinuate that those who signed the petition are in the North Stand or South Stand are you ITK?

I reckon it's more likely to be the militants in the Southwest Upper myself.

59 minutes ago, Wazztie16 said:

The LOTG state it isn't an offence to be in an offside position. No offence occurred until the player became active which is either interfering with an opponent, playing or attempting to play the ball etc. 

So the offence DID occur inside the players own half. 

Sorry I don’t see it that way. Had he not been standing in an offside position in the first place then there would have been no offence to punish.

The assertion of the original post is that you can be offside in your own half and you simply cannot be. CKR was offside in the opponents half.

I think the title of the thread is confusing.

He was in the opposition half in an offside position which is when the offence occurred. In effect it was a suspended offside decision which only became punishable when touched the ball next, which could have been anywhere. 

That the freekick gets taken from where he touched the ball and not where the actual offence took place, seems silly.

So the answer the OP you cannot be offside in your own half. CKR was in the opponents half when the offence was committed. If he had been standing 1 inch inside his own half then moved toward the ball and touched it there would have been no flag.

The referees decision was correct but the premise of this thread is wrong.

4 minutes ago, maxjam said:

 

Rooney with the stock, keep your options open, answer and why not? He would go if they came calling now but they won’t.
So it’s not a problem. 
 

5 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

Well done Liam. Kept it simple , never out of position and worked well with Festy. Could be the new Shinnie.

Yes indeed. 
A pocket Shinnie. That youth is tiny.

Our start has been poor and left us in a very difficult position. I’d have liked to have been a minimum of 6 points better off. 
I see nothing that will make us suddenly start scoring more goals than we concede. The fact is we would be in a relegation scrap even without the -21. 
We have no chance of climbing the mountain before us.

But it’s not going to stop me going to football and walking away with a smile on my face when we win.

2 minutes ago, Rammy03 said:

Promotion and relegation will always be there. We're not American. Football is truly dead if that ever happens. 

There’ll be promotion and relegation between prem 1 and 2. The rest will be non league. The EFL will have ceased to exist with all football controlled by the FA.

There’ll be a backlash but sustaining 4 competitive professional leagues is proving unsustainable. There’ll still be the FA Cup.

It’s just a scenario I’ve been thinking on. There’ll be two top leagues with fair prizes and competition but clubs in div 3 and 4 with have to go semi pro and challenge for the non league championship and perhaps offer up a couple of European conferences places for the winner of this league and the FA trophy.

Something has to be done about football in our country and the notion that we can get rid of Sky and their money is fanciful.

Worst case scenario is that we don’t make a quick return and the EFL fail to stop parachute payments. There’s a rebellion and prem 2 is formed with payments by league position down to 40th. Down side there is no relegation beyond this point and no promotion into this new format. We miss the boat and are left in oblivion to waste away on the vine.

No point in caution. It could be very entertaining watching the Rams over the next few months. We could do an Albania who got stuffed by England because they had to go for it or we win a few. Who knows, but playing defensive now is pointless.

Everyone should be expecting us to go for it including the opposition.

So two defensive midfielders seems a bit negative.

I’ll be really interested so see how Wayne sets them up.

In the interview with the administrator on Rams TV yesterday he said that The Boro and Wycombe claims had been against DCFC but he also said the admins had been talking to the EFL about it.

Not really much to go on but perhaps they are telling the EFL to be wary of clubs making these claims.

If the EFL aren’t concerned about these claims then they should be.

If you're Mr Ploppy of Bristol then the EFL have staunchly upheld the principles the 72 clubs signed up to when they took the FFP road and, in addition, given him some solid trouser fun material for some time to come.

I for one hope Middlesbrough win. The floodgates will then be open for every team that has ever fallen foul of an FFP breaking team.

We are owed at least two full seasons of PL earnings plus 4 seasons of parachute payments after we lost to QPR and Villa. And that is if we got relegated straight away.

So Boro win £45m and we win a least £200m and probably far more.

I am stunned that Gibson thinks this claim has any legs. Talk about opening a can of worms. It’ll just make the EFL look even more farcical, if that’s possible.

1 hour ago, Oldben said:

A cautionary tale, noting lessons learned.

Leeds Relegated to League One

Leeds were docked ten points for going into voluntary administration at the end of the 2006/07 season. 

The club owed HMRC £6m and would have gone into liquidation if not for administration.

They lost 15 points before their first League One season because they didn't pay enough of their creditors.

In League One for three years.

Leeds were promoted to the Championship in 2009/10 thanks to Jermaine Beckford's 25 league goals.

Manchester United were beaten by Leeds in the 

2009/10 FA Cup third round.

Leeds United were promoted to the Premier League in 2019/20 after 25 managers since their relegation to League One.

Take Homes

* to win league one you need a quality team with a top scoring striker, they must be able to score circa 20 goals in a season

* it's tough in League One, you need an astute manager

* a club in difficulty like Derby, needs to say we will never back down. If Leeds can do it, so can Derby

* Derby require a very astute and tactical manager who knows how to get promoted

For any players that Derby don't wish to lose, there needs to be contracts in writing guaranteeing that the club will pay whatever salary is required to keep those players next season. That sort of contract doesn't kick on until the transfer embargo lifts, but I'd it doesn't happen then Derby could lose a lot of money from players who are near the end of their contracts and from any players with a release clause if the club is relegated.

Leeds where already down when then took the ten points. They went into admin as soon as relegation was assured to get the deduction applied that season so they would not get it applied in league 1. The EFL saw through it and handed them a 15 point deduction which Leeds appealed but where unsuccessful. As a result they didn’t bounce straight back.

32 minutes ago, richinspain said:

 

10 minutes ago, Rammy03 said:

The fa cup?

Of course not, I was referring to the BC Trophy. ? 
 

We still have a chance of winning silverware this year and while that’s still possible there’ll be people interested in taking us over. The kudos surrounding winning a trophy is what rich men really want and we still have a chance to bring that dream to them.

It’s still a few months away and Forest are on a good run right now but I think we can win it.

£80m from stadium sale. It always get lost in the noise. What happened to that money?

Pathetic again from Nixon. -9 or -90 it makes no difference as we’d still be down so why reluctantly accept -9 instead of -17 the outcome is the same.

No one will come to Derby to get relegated. Footballers are ambitious and even those coming to the end of their careers will want unreasonable wages and a 1 year extension option. If it’s -21 we are down. Don’t buy players because it’s pointless. Access at the end of the season because plenty of our talent will be tempted away. At that point we’ll know what we need then try and recruit under whatever business plan or embargo we are still tied to.

I would be gobsmacked if we come back straight up. Not that many do. It’ll take a season or two completely lance the boil. 
 

I predict that the side that comes up will be completely unrecognisable to the first team squad we see today. Our kids will get plenty of games after the Jan window because just about anyone worth anything will have gone. The trouble with that is that the kids will want away at the end of the season.

Relegation will cost us dear, but there’ll still be a Derby County and we will return…one day.

7 minutes ago, BaaLocks said:

I'd struggle to think of any Derby fan who would want to do this as death by a thousand points deductions. There is no logical reason, only solution is to take it all, get the slate cleared and move on. Yes, we will have to drop down to League One, yes it is not guaranteed we will bounce back immediately but Wolves, Leeds, Coventry, Southampton and others have shown you can rebuild from that position. Many will quote Sunderland, Portsmouth, Bolton and Sheff Wed but they will all come back in time - as will we.

Leicester of course just continued to cheat and did very well out of it. Avoiding any points deductions.

A club now lorded as the plucky little underdog who made it big.

A truly detestable club. Their bin robbing fans refuse to acknowledge the complete cheating bastary employed in their rise from div 3.

So we are now accepting-12 and -9. That seems like we are taking the worst possible punishment that has been mooted so far.

We assumed the case was adjourned to allow this to be brought to a conclusion and why would that not be the case?

It seems sensible and we believe a settlement would be forthcoming. According to Percy for some inexplicable reason we have now moved from a position of fighting our corner to accepting certain relegation.

This makes no sense at all.

Does Percy even bother to check the plausibility of the guff he trots out?

18 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said:

Just this really. I'm not sure where people have got this idea all of a sudden that we can claw back a double digit deficit when we've not seen this kind of form over 2/3rds of a season's worth of games. 

Reading are set to lose points. If it's 9 then they drop to 11 leaving Hull on 12 as the target team. If we get another 3 point deduction that means 9 to catch 4th bottom.

It's hard to really forecast where this will all wash out just yet.

October was a terrible month and we may well rue the points missed during that easier period, but it's not over yet.

Maybe it’s to do with bonfire night when we annually celebrate burning a catholic terrorist to death. 
 

It’s amazing the woke brigade haven’t got hold of that one yet.