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4 minutes ago, Raich Carter said:

Blimey - that's some serious wrist slashing! It's not an idea to build for a lower division and bounce back - we have no choice! The OP is obviously right, give the kids the experience - that's the only positive we can take from it. Remember positivity? ? 

I’d love to know what’s positive about giving up and accepting relegation, as some posters are advocating.

How exactly do you build for league 1?

It’ll be kids and journeymen like we have now. Our journeymen will be a year older and our kids have lost confidence. Who, that is any good, will come to a club in division 3. This idea that we can build for a lower division and bounce back is very risky. It didn’t work for Paul Jewel and we are still trying to get back after 13 years.

We need to try everything possible to hold on to our Championship status I really hope Wayne can turn it around but I don’t think he has the experience to get us out of a dogfight. We were really fortunate to stay up last season and it wasn’t down to any great escape orchestrated by the manager that we did. I see signs now that we are slipping back into the old ways

All I hope is that we are still in touch by the time the new owner comes in and we do something about it.

We can always hope he’ll quit.

It’s virtually impossible sack him as the administrators aren't going to get rid. I said at the start of the season that Wayne had to hit the ground running because he has no credit in the bank after last season.

But administration happened, he said some nice things and the fans needed someone to rally around so he got a lot of good will.

Up to now it has masked over just how bad a manager he his. His fans will say he’s had an impossible job, stick with him but I’ll tell you this we will definitely be relegated with Rooney at the helm. I even think we’ll go down if we get our 12 points back. 
 

Right now he’s giving any new owner no reason whatsoever to keep him.

I don’t care if it’s an unpopular opinion but he is not a good manager.

24 minutes ago, Indy said:

It would be just as easy to dismiss your viewpoint by saying you’ve been brainwashed by Steve Gibson and the EFL. 
 

The fact remains that the administrators think there is a reasonable case to be considered by an independent panel - unless they’ve been brainwashed by Mel too?

This really has to be the last word on this argument.

39 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Lol. Who would an Allardyce-type play?

Look at Forest. Total pump til a new manager comes in. All of a sudden the same team are a different team. 

This phenomenon happens quite a lot.

There were boos a half time, patience is on the wane. People are starting to remove the rose tinted specs to look at the stats and to be perfectly honest they are pretty bad.

We need a win.

1 minute ago, Archie said:

Which is still only 7 points off the playoffs.

 

Yes you’re right but October was supposed to be an easier month and we’ve only managed 4 points from 15.

A new owner may be looking at an Allardyce type option as Rooney is not making himself unsackable right now.

I hope Wayne takes that alternative league table down that he’s using as a motivator because even with 12 added we’d only be 20th.

It was queuing quite a bit out the door at 1:30 plus a 4 line snake inside. We have 3 weeks to collect but I thought I queue up for old time sake.

2 minutes ago, cjdlog said:

Why are people referencing Cloughie?

I believe Cloughie said he might not be the best manager in the country but he is in the top 1

Chris Kirchner.

Literally no-one had this guys name. Then all of a sudden he appears yesterday as a viable option having put his money where his mouth is with the Administrators.

The press have been consistently garbage with all things Derby County in the last two years. They have been, remarkably, kept in the dark with only the EFL letting things slip to forward their own agenda. 

Who knows who's going to be next to reveal themselves. 

I think they'll take the record.

Pukki is a proper handful in the championship and he has got them promoted twice but reliance on his goals and not recruiting a decent premier league goal scorer saw them relegated straight way. They'll get relegated again obviously but now prem defences, who kept him down to 11 last time round, will shackle him even more this season. The Canaries will not score enough goals to win games. They are picking up their points from 0-0 draws against the teams at the bottom. They will struggle to get points off Newcastle who have been easy pickings for everyone else but they have to go there at the end of November and by the time they play the reverse fixture in April the Toon Army think they will have Mbappe on the wing so I don't see much return there.

Futhermore the model of a yo yo club, which is clearly the model pursued by Norwich, does not allow for flamboyant spending for fear of falling foul of Championship FFP rules. Norwich's owners will already be looking at how to maximise profits from parachute payments and spunking a wad on a lost cause is not sensible. I think they'll be working pretty much with what they've got for the season and as such will take the record from us.

On 20/10/2021 at 17:34, Simmo’s left foot said:

Its actually illegal to stand at an all seater stadium. Sooner or later somebody is going to get seriously injured. The north stand is a family stand, a lot of elderly and young families. 

What a great idea if you want to drive people away from the stadium, me included.

I moved there with my Grandson just this season. It looks empty from the highlights show but it doesn’t feel empty where we are in the upper tier behind the goal. 
PP caters for everyone and it doesn’t need fixing. Every club has its fair weather fans and we are no different. When we start to get successful again people will come, oh yes people will come.

I just want to get to the point where we are free from debt and outside interference. If that is in league 1 then so be it.

There's no point tying ourselves up in knots here. This is The Championship, if our players were error free they would be in the Prem. But all championship teams make errors. The Stoke keeper had a mind-womble when he came out and totally missed Curtis's nod on for 2-0. We won 2-1 so that error gifted us 2 points. I've highlighted that one because it was a goalkeeping error.

The point is when it comes to mistakes we are average and other teams also suffer.

Our issue is simple and has been for two seasons. It's goals. It's nothing new it's been spoken about a million times on here but I sense posters getting frustrated and starting to get annoyed around other things. We have been unable to address this problem due to the embargo. The strikers we have are not good enough and we can do nothing about it.

Rooney is trying to find ways to win and yesterday we scored two good ones but frustratingly our usual solid defence let us down. It's football.

We need a good striker we aren't going to get one. As it is I see us slowly creeping to safety this season as things stand but a further deduction will sink us.

The Sun’s headline writer’s are a bit off form here. Surely the headline should be “Wayne Tooney” instead of “Roon Army”

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34 minutes ago, rammieib said:

Covid has been used under force majeure in many many businesses over the past 18 months.

How?

My business was closed.

My staff were at home.

My supply chain couldn’t supply.

Literally thousands of these cases around.

So the administrators will simply need to prove that the covid caused the administration which in other words is demonstrating that the £20 million cash flow hit caused the inability to trade.

I think they have a decent case.

 

Quite right.

The fact that the EFL decided to carry on with the league season and the following one forced Derby to trade without the income of fans while also under an embargo imposed by the EFL not least for non payment of tax.

Its been well stated that we fell into the Goldilocks zone for being vulnerable to the effects of COVID and not being allowed the £8m relief was the straw that broke the camels back.

It’s seems reasonable grounds to me.

2 hours ago, atherstoneram said:

Latest comparable figures per population of the actual cities in 2019 was approx.

Newcastle 300,820

Derby  258,740.

However if you want to include the surrounding areas Chad, Littleover, Alvaston etc and Gateshead, Manors, Byker etc then Newcastle is approx 3 times the population of Derby.

I think you’ll find that Chad Littleover and Alvaston are inside the Derby City Boundary.

Furthermore it’s Derby County not Derby City which gives the Rams a large catchment area within the County. We have also traditionally drawn well from North West Leicestershire and East Staffordshire.

Could be a bit of tactical voting here as the winner traditionally bombs the following month.

Get voting for Scott Parker.

2 hours ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

Steve Bloomer’s Watching was utterly dreadful yesterday.

Need a few lads with some gonads in the south stand to pick something new and go with it.

Maybe they should. After all it’s the south stand who don’t listen then come in anywhere and finish when they want. 
I’m fed up with all this south stand adoration. At least us in a half full north stand can get it right.

Maybe it’s a difficult melody to pick up or it’s a bit wordy. I’m mean at least try and sing the whole Wayne Rooney song. Half of them don’t know it and just sing  “he goes by the name of Wayne Rooney”, over and over.

Honestly ?

Must do better

Being a long serving player he sometimes gets taken for granted. Several managers have bought in replacements and even promoted youngsters to his position.

He’s seen them all off and he is just getting better with age. He’s been much over-looked for Scotland which, when you think they’ve even played Anya at left back is a travesty.

46 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said:

Derby vs Bournemouth is now Sunday 21st November at midday (instead of Saturday 20th at 3pm) and live on Sky.

Fulham vs Derby is now Wednesday 24 November (instead of Tuesday) because of the Bournemouth Sunday kickoff.

Derby vs QPR is now Monday 29 November at 7.45 pm (instead of Saturday 27th at 3pm) and live on Sky.

 

What really annoys me is when a weekend fixture gets moved to Monday. I have a season ticket and accept that I cannot make week day games as I don’t live in Derby during the week. But Monday night is not a weekend. I can manage a Friday night but Monday night is just infuriating.

duck off Sky. I hate everything about that company.

Bournemouth survived a -17 deduction in league 2 in 2008 so I don’t understand this notion that minus 12 has never been done. Perhaps -12 hasn’t been done as in exactly -12 but as Bournemouth proved more that has survived. It was Eddie Howe who pulled that off.

There’s a documentary on YouTube about it. I think it might even be called -17.

Readings local paper think we deserved it too.

https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/reading-fc-player-ratings-Derby-21716471

8 minutes ago, angieram said:

I find it hard to believe that people complaining about ticket sales on Twitter aren't au fait enough with technology to create a few accounts on the dcfc website.

They just like moaning! 

Some may be but most of the people who can't get their heads round the punter unfriendly way Derby are selling tickets don't have twitter accounts to moan on. They don't even have a PC. It's for the club to make things easy and having the ticket office closed all that time and even now only open twice a week was and is bonkers.

The club have missed the boat on a lot of OAP renewals as they normally wander down to the ticket office once a year to renew their season ticket. They have not been able to do that so as the season started and them not being able to get a ticket they've just left it.

There is still a need for analogue and it looks like it's cost DCFC 4k season ticket holders for not giving a toss about them.