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1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said:

What would we lose do you think if Warne left to go elsewhere?

About 90% of the posts on here for a start.

God its getting tedious.

1 minute ago, angieram said:

I really enjoyed the part with Waggy and Hourihane. As you say it was funny and insightful, and my opinion of Hourihane has definitely improved after listening to him talk. 

Its just a shame he's gonna get subbed after 30 mins for the next 6 weeks as the other players mess with his kit each week 😛

2 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said:

Or he could say sorry, just once, publically, and admit the mistakes that were made and why he wants to put them right. The fact he's not done that is mind-boggling to me. 

Because in this day and age apologising equals guilt and nothing will appease some people other than his sacking and subsequent ostracization.

He made an effort to come to the Fans Forum (he didn't have to) and asked us to judge him on his actions going forwards.  What he may or may not have done in the past, David Clowes probably knows a lot more than us and he's happy for him to remain.  Anything else is just fans with nothing else better to do arguing amongst themselves. 

23 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

It's a bit of a case of "once bitten..." here though

Look back in the forums a couple of years and you'll find people saying almost word-for-word what you say above, but replace Clowes name with Mel Morris

It was only 2019 when Pearce and Morris sat there at a fan forum saying all was good with the EFL, all was good with FFP and the club were moving in the right direction. We all know what happened next

While Pearce is still at the club AND still refuses to acknowledge his role in what happened, then I find it very hard to trust anything he says

If David Clowes starts firing all and sundry, battling the FA, cheekily admitting to trying to find financial loopholes, spending millions on players with inflated wages then yes I'll agree - but he has been very measured in his first year at the helm and the club has made great strides.

I also don't think handing Paul Warne a 4yr contract was a bad thing as others have highlighted.  It shows a pragmatic and long term approach to rebuilding both the first team and the academy.  The alternative would have seen us sack PW for finishing 7th last year and me starting to look nervously at my first paragraph.

Whilst I understand the caution and distrust, lets not mention MM in the same breath as David Clowes.  One courted the limelight, famous ex-pro's and gave grand press conferences talking about 'The Derby Way'.  The other has quietly put the club on an even keel financially and is rebuilding our reputation with the EFL and other clubs.  He has also been working with Stephen Pearce for well over a year now so I assume he knows more about him than any of us do.

10 hours ago, ilkleyram said:

This might be pedantic but you can’t cure aging - every single one of us is aging all the time.
What you can impact are the effects of aging - what you do for yourself- not smoking or drinking or taking drugs, taking exercise, keeping mobile etc - and what the medical profession does by way of research and developing medical skills and the pharmaceutical industry does by way of research and drug development. 
Between them the medical and pharmaceutical professions have been responsible for significantly extending life expectancy over the last few generations and greater knowledge and wealth as well as access to better healthcare systems in the developed world especially have also played their part 

A little bit pedantic yeah 😛

I was just running with the OPs question, looking into the distant future and thinking of how my vision of an eternal (healthy) life would look.  Its basically Star Trek without the onesies!

I'm a big advocate of living a healthy lifestyle now and making the most of your time.  I believe you only get one shot and when its over, its over.

This thread had thrown up some interesting questions though - at what age do you pause aging and how long would prison sentences have to be when you can live forever etc. TBH I've not thought about it that deeply, its beyond the scope of my lifetime.  I'm just naively flitting from planet to planet in my head until I find Risa.

2 minutes ago, alram said:

if that doesn’t answer your question then you should be asking the man yourself as that’s the only person able to answer your question

 

my opinion is the club should have been gutted with everybody responsible for that cancerous regime and Pearce was at the heart of it

 

i suppose all those working at nazi concentration camps were just following orders!

Well this conversation has just taken a turn for the worse 🫤

How do we know that Stephen Pearce wasn't waking up every morning scratching his head figuring out how to deal with the latest MM mad decision?  Do we know if Pearce had any forewarning re. administration or did MM make that decision himself and surprise everyone, Pearce included?  Did David Clowes see enough in Pearce working tirelessly to save the club during the administration period?  And has Clowes, an accomplished businessman himself seen enough of Pearce during his 1yr+ time at the club to view Pearce an asset?  I have no idea tbh, but the truth as is typically the case, probably lies somewhere in the middle. 

I trust David Clowes and the people now running the club however, we're back on an even financial keel and our reputation with the EFL has improved, if they think Stephen Pearce is doing a good job, I'll trust their judgement over some internet forum noise.

Roll on Saturday, its been a long 2 weeks on here.

8 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

That's not quite what I meant - we should all want to experience life to the fullest, but in a "be grateful for every day" kind of way. That's my issue - if life is not limited then where's the incentive. I meant the narcissist comment about these idiots who spend what precious time they have on the planet obsessing over ways to extend their life. It's just about the dumbest thing you could do.

Sorry if I'm being a bit down - we just lost a really good friend to cancer at 60. She was one of the healthiest, cleanest living people I knew. Woke up one morning and couldn't walk. Turned out she was riddled with cancer. 2 months later she is dead. 

I'm a big proponent of live life to the fullest and when your number's up, your number's up. 

One of those idiots will obsess over it too much and help cure aging!

But yeah life does suck at times and you never know when your numbers gonna be called, enjoy it whilst you're fit, healthy and active.  Its over way too soon and unless something does actually follow death, you gotta make the most of things whilst the goings good.

Back on topic... If you give me an unlimited healthy life and the technological advances that will have hopefully occurred in the meantime, I'm pretty sure I could keep myself busy for a long, long time.  IMHO its actually pretty sad to see two thirds of people replying to the topic (at time of replying) against living forever, but each to their own I guess.  You lot have gotta have a bit more drive and and passion, not to mention an inquisitive nature to explore and learn!

I swear I was born too late to map and explore the Earth and too early to fly out into the galaxy and see what it holds.  Ah well, I've got Starfield, I'll go play that for a bit instead 😛

50 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

That's a practical purpose but also as Carl says "death brings meaning to life"

If you lived forever, you'd lack the imperative to do anything. We'd become a species of procrastinators. And so very very bored 

I think thats all down to an individuals personality.  I'm already thinking I'll need several lifetimes to experience everything I want to on Earth at the moment!  

Assuming technology advances with life expectancy and we open up the universe to explore, what we can do and where we can go will become limitless.  Why wouldn't you want to live as long as possible to experience and learn everything you can?  

Nothing chronically narcissistic about wanting to experience life to the fullest. 

50 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

Genuinely think that if we cracked eternal life, most people would end up killing themselves - and each other. There'd be a lot more murder if that's the only way to get rid of someone

Perhaps currently as everything feels so grim and oppressive at the moment, but the caveat I have is we evolve into a kinda Star Trek culture - free energy, food, accommodation and travel etc and more emphasis is put on personal development, education and exploration.  We're generations away from that at present - but we're also generations away from (meaningful) space travel and any chance of eternal life.  Unless we blow ourselves up in the meantime perhaps the two will evolve at a similar time. 

50 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

All life on earth is designed to be finite. It's lunacy to try and change that

Not necessarily, if we crack the genetics of eternal life then we become 'God'.  The alternative is you have your three scores years and 10 then become dust/go to your religions afterlife - delete as appropriate!

Personally, I believe we came from stardust and we'll return to stardust, there is nothing else to follow. This helps me do something I enjoy everyday.  If my current good health continues I'm hoping for at least 30+ active years.  There are literally hundreds of places I want to go and see and activities I want to experience.  If you gave me an even longer life and a ship I can travel the galaxy in, I could fill as much time as life gave me no problem.

4 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Absolutely.
Last season we were told that he said he was adaptable and happy with the squad but he still tried to shoehorn them into his preferred system. He wants pace but buys old age, etc. Liked that he changed his excuse about not wanting Waggy. Sounds a bit like he’s getting his ‘not got the right players for the system’ talk ready.

Do you think that was achievable during the summer transfer window?  How many players did we end up signing?  Around 10 was it?  I forget - and I think we agree we could have done with at least a couple more.

So rather than bringing in 10 freebies, lets say we instead bought in 10 pacey 23yos.  Whats a good 23yo worth these days that will have the potential to play in the Championship next season.  £500k? £1m? Multiply that by 10 or 12.  Then add on agent fees and wages.

Given the scale of the rebuild since administration, to both the first team and the academy, I think that some peoples expectations and criticisms are a little ahead of where we actually are as a club.

I'd like to put off the Grim Reaper for as long as possible tbh.  Especially if science advances enough to give us our 25yo bodies back again rather than just getting older and older or uploading our mind into an advanced robot or whatever.

Of course it would have to go hand in hand with colonizing the moon, Mars and beyond else we'd quickly run out of room, but I'd absolutely be up for living 'forever' in a Star Trek kinda universe in which I'd spend my time exploring the galaxy whilst popping back to Earth for a holiday every now and then!

Life gives meaning to life - you only get one shot and now I've taken early retirement I try to make every day count.  I've never really been that interested in history, the future has always been much more appealing.  I'd pay good money for the opportunity to live centuries into it!

Just finished watching the Fans Forum in its entirety on youtube and imho Stephen Pearce spoke very well.  He kinda dodged the final question thrown at him but as he alluded to earlier in the evening, a lot of the finer details remain behind NDAs. 

Non of us know how much influence he really had under MM regime, or whether he had the rug pulled from under him at times with MM rash decision making.  All we can go on is DC trust in him and how the club has been building since exiting administration - and off the pitch, we've been doing really well.  Thats good enough for me.

I thought the evening as a whole was a very enjoyable watch.  It won't calm the fears of those anti PW, but to me at least, everyone spoke from the same hymn sheet and of building towards success.  Hopefully success will come this season as we hit our stride, but if not the groundwork is being laid for the future. 

Hopefully we can all get behind PW and the team and stop overreacting to every bump in the road.

On 06/09/2023 at 17:55, Carl Sagan said:

This appeared in my twitter feed today. As someone terrified of heights, it was a difficult but fascinating watch. Amazing. £7k to climb that chimney every day and demolish it, one brick at a time!!

On 06/09/2023 at 19:06, ramit said:

I suppose figuring all the ways that job could go wrong could be considered thought provoking, though for me it's more like terror inducing.  At the 2.33 mark i had seen enough already.

Yeah lol, I'm not scared of much tbh but I hate heights and ladders with a passion.  I fell off the second rung of a step ladder changing a bulb a few years ago and banged my head - thats the last time I've ever been up one and not planning on going up another 😛

As I alluded to in my post, as well as the sheer fearlessness of Fred, it was the health and safety angle that was thought provoking - he'd have probably broken about 1000 regulations if he'd done that today! 

I won't post of one of him at 50+ years old climbing a 300ft tower with a back pack attached by a rope slung over his shoulder swinging from side to side as he climbs.  Only to come within 50ft of the top and announce that there is a 5ft overhang above.  The ladders get further and further away from the wall as he continues climbing at an unnatural angle.  Bonkers.

Folk were built different back then. 

Furthermore, I'm not sure the 'Health and Safety Dept' had been invented in the 70s 😛

3 minutes ago, BriggRam said:

But the ref only sent him off after speaking to the lino

Not shying away from the woeful officiating in L1, imho at full speed you'd see him sent off in the PL - only to be reprieved by VAR.

Doesn't look like handball to me, but without VAR and depending on the Refs angle you could see why he got sent off.  

Just one of those days that everything that could go wrong, did go wrong 🫤

55 minutes ago, TimRam said:

Got me a career....great machine. Got one the other week for the 'man cave' Cannot believe how I typed on that keyboard but it did the job.

I guess the same could be said for me.  I used to get a monthly magazine that always contained a game you could program yourself - learnt a lot on that glorified calculator!

Got a zx81 and Spectrum 48k amongst others in my mancave 🙂

Not sure you'd class it as a toy as such but if I wasn't outside playing, I was inside playing games on my 'computer'

2 minutes ago, Barney1991 said:

Trying to get out of league 1 on free transfers. Oh how far we have fallen 

Don't forget we are still under EFL restrictions, they may have been relaxed (whatever that means) but we're still hampered by them until next season 🫤

On 21/08/2023 at 23:13, uttoxram75 said:

This place should be locked up until 20 league games have been played.

Anyone hiding in here should be out there telling folk to grow a pair and get behind the team.

Unfortunately people are more concerned by their gump colleagues and mates poncing around. 

You know its just a bit of fun don't you?

Anticipating another depressing deadline day, I've returned to this room for a couple of days.  Don't worry though, I dragged Cashin in here with me - he's going nowhere 😛 

10 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

I think what you're saying is that he's OK to turn a blind eye because he has said he'd respect the laws of the land. Even if that law is "the death penalty for anyone mildly critical of the regime". Wow

I mean - it kind of sounds like you're OK with the death penalty for talking naughty on social media. Which is weird because you were normally one of the first to pile in to slag off Muslims for their beliefs, before they banned religion

Of course you would assume that 👍

FWIW and just in case it needs spelling out, I am obviously not okay with the death penalty for social media posts.  I'm arguing is that its a bit 'Musk bad man' to single out him when literally every major corporation bends over backwards when it comes to earning the almighty dollar in that part of the world. 

1 minute ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

Musk is a bad man and this thread is about him and Twitter.

Feel free to open one about Facebook or YouTube.

My post was about Musk, I was arguing that Twitter/X isn't doing anything different to anyone else in the social media space re. Saudi Arabia. 

The only thing it is trying to do differently is allow the law of the land, rather than the will of the will of the owners to dictate its online policy - talk crap from a left or right perspective, as long as its lawful, it is generally allowed.  Other social media platforms tend to more strictly censor one side of the argument.

3 hours ago, Stive Pesley said:

Are you really trying to find a way to make me saying "being sentenced to death for social media activity is unacceptable" an "anti-musk" viewpoint? Cos that would be weird

For avoidance of doubt I believe that the the Saudi regime is abhorrent and murderous. I'm just wondering if Musk feels the same way but can't say it because they own him

No I'm just commenting on some of the at times petty things that get thrown at Musk on here. 

Why single out Musk for a social media death sentence in Saudi Arabia, when Youtube was mentioned as well?  Musk as already said that Twitter has to abide by the law of the land, just as the BBC and every other social media company have to.  I personally think thats a fair statement and sets the rules equally for everyone, certainly far more so than under the previous ownership or the other social media giants that tend to operate under more nebulous rules that objectively favour one side of the argument.

I haven't seen Youtube taking issue with the death sentence.  Maybe its because the Saudi's invest in their parent company Alphabet Inc as well.  Oh, and for good measure the Saudi's also invest in Meta/Facebook so I guess they are all as compromised as one another.  But yeah Musk bad man *shakes fist at sky*