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4 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

Am sorry but unless you were watching a different game last night Ipswich didn't look like scoring until we contrived to gift them a goal which they scored with and the inevitable penalty which they didn't. 

Ergo they were also crap as well by your same reasoning.

It takes real derby coloured specs to look at that game and think there were two teams going for it. They were constantly in good position. They missed a pen and they scored. At times it looked like we were playing in an FA CUP tie as an underdog when we’d aimlessly punt it up. 

3 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

Our quality or lack of in the final third was really damning. Got into a few promising positions first half and some in the second but then the final ball either through player skill or composure was absolutely non existent.

If the tactic is that were going to score goals by pressurising the opposition and forcing mistakes then Ipswich didn't read the script last night and other teams might not be so generous too.

The only really difference between the 2 teams is that we gifted Ipswich a goal and a penalty on silver platters whereas we huffed and puffed but they to their credit gave us nowt. We were never going to score from our own endeavours if we had played for another 90 minutes. 

Some of the comments about Warne already on here I imagine from the Rosenoir sycophants are really quite pathetic if not tediously predictable.

Obviously the novelty of winning 2 away games which we never even looked like doing under Rosenoir isn't enough for them but hey ho fill your boots lads if it makes you happy. 

“The only real difference” ??? We were crap. The only difference is one of the sides looked like winning and the other didn’t. 

9 hours ago, Rev said:

I didn't think tonight was so bad, against probably the best side in this league. 

Cigarette paper between them and us, we came out second best due to an individual mistake.

We had 0 shots on target. No one minds coming up short against a better side but we didn’t even ‘give it a go’ so to speak. 
 

That’s what made me so angry watching it. I expect us to lose games but Jesus that was the definition of aimless 

10 minutes ago, DavesaRam said:

Plus 3 goal kicks given as corners, 2 throw-ins given the wrong way, the foul on Sibley, ad nausea. 
 

And I was deliberately trying to give the ref a chance.

 

Still beaten by the better team, but we did ok. It all came down to one mistake.

Okay? 
 

We were absolutely dogshit and it’s fanciful to pretend otherwise 

Just now, Mihangel said:

Honestly, WTF do you expect? These are the players we have, we have no depth whatsoever, it'll take time. Chill.

I expect professional footballers to be able to make 5 yard passes. I expect professional footballers to be able to play the ball forwards with purpose (even if it is a long ball) rather than just aimlessly towards their penalty box. 
 

I expect that when we’ve won the second hall and we have the ball around their box that we are capable of at least some quality. 

That was f****** rubbish. Not one bit of quality in the entire 90 minutes. 
 

I can’t do a long period of watching us hoof the ball to absolutely no one whilst our players forget how to pass the ball. 
 

I’d have accepted a close 1-0 loss away at 2nd in league as well before people accuse me of being unrealistic but that performance was the worst I’ve seen for well over a season. 

Battered about by a bunch of technically gifted young lads who have probably played together for the last 10 years and know each other’s games inside and out with all goals scored by a lad they knocked a £10m bid back for in the summer. 
 

I really felt that the experienced pros in the side would see us compete a little better and perhaps it’d have been different had we not squandered the one on one but a lot of players looked like rabbits in headlights which was worrying. Don’t mind a more direct approach but don’t want to turn into a hoof and chase team who may as well not have a midfield. 
 

Thought Bird looked a class above the rest of our midfielders when he came on. Felt he looked like a man against their young lads. 
 

Any loss is disappointing but lick our wounds and we go again in the big one Friday. 

5 hours ago, bcnram said:

I would say that getting a message over to the players, is more likely to be received if delivered coherently, than as a shouty bollocking. 

his manner has attracted these players to the club. 
 

 

There’s a difference between needing to get across tactical tweaks and needing a reaction when better quality players are losing their individual battles on a pitch,

I had a full hairline last time we showed some decent form away from home and Rosenior has been part of the set up for 4 years now so isn’t blameless? 

Let’s be honest nobody said Warne because who in their right mind thought we’d be able to pay compo and pluck the manager from the team 8th in the league above ? 

Warne is a strange one. Sure he’s been promoted 3 times but has only managed one club. It’s a big risk for him and for us. 
 

Im hoping to see a more direct style (direct doesn’t mean Hoofball, Liverpool play direct but wouldn’t call it hoofball it’s just about moving up the pitch quickly and dangerously at the expense of controlling the whole match). 

Think Rosenior needs a club that isn’t seen as a scalp by 90% of the division if I’m honest. most clubs happy to watch us pass between Cashin and Davies pick their moment to press and punish us on the counter or by forcing an error. 
 

some great football at times but how much is down to him? You put 11 good players at this level together and they’re going to occasionally click and produce good play. 
 

I like Rosenior but like others I was a little concerned when I saw his team talks. Doesn’t look like he’s got a bollocking in him. I think he’ll be a successful manager but I think he’ll need to do it out of the limelight at a smaller club where he can overachieve. Overachievement probably isn’t possible here due to the size… 
 

Reminds me of the start Stevie Howard had for us. Tirelessly working for the team but the first goal took its time to come. Then when it did come… 

Nothing to worry about. Panic when we’re not creating owt. 
 

this stage of the season is about performances not results and if we keep starting like we are doing the results will follow. 
 

Relax and enjoy being frustrated at the club not finishing off chances rather than the impending doom of last season. 

20 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Cotterill: "I thought we could've won it. We had the better chances." Only MK Dons (0.5), Bristol Rovers (0.5) and Morcambe (0.4) has a lower xG in L1 last night.

We should be creating more chances from 80% possession in the first half though. Interesting to see that Barkhuizen and Sibley, who most of us felt had the best chances last night don't even appear in the top 3.

Every game this season we’ve been ahead on xG. If this continues then the goals and wins will come. I’d be more worried if we were winning whilst massively losing the xG battle as that shows a regression back to the mean is imminent whereas in our current form a regression to the mean would suggest more goals and wins 

Sunderland fans, Wednesday fans, Ipswich fans, Portsmouth fans. 
 

They all warned us this is what it would be like. Did some of us arrogantly think a club on the verge of dying wouldn’t suffer the same challenges that other big clubs suffer when we came down? 
 

It is frustrating when Smith is the only midfielder who seems to look pass the ball forwards at every opportunity however we can’t see what the players can see and Shrews were so well disciplined and organised that we found it tough. 

13 minutes ago, Jayram said:

No one as far as I can see is screaming for LR’s head, but the play it safe away from home template has to change. We have thrown away 5 points in our 2 away games because they were both very winnable and yet we let them slip away. The possession based game at this level isn’t going to work - teams will do exactly what Shrewsbury did and just move as a unit to frustrate us. LR has to be flexible in his tactics and work out a way of switching the play or we are in for a season of dull 0-0’s or 1-0’s (wins and losses). Early days but I worry that LR has his tactical philosophy set in stone regardless of the opposition. 
However, isn’t it nice to be moaning about football things rather than finances and administrators? COYR!

This isn’t accurate. Firstly we battered Charlton and got sucker punched. That’s part of football. We’ll do that to others. 

Secondly you’re talking as if there’s only one team in a match. We’ve already seen that 80% of sides in this league are going to be playing us like it’s a cup match. They were wasting time from the off last night - I don’t begrudge them for it but it’s a lot harder to break down teams who’d snap your hands off for a point than those who have come with a plan to win the match. 
 

We’re still a fortnight behind other teams in terms of prep for obvious reasons. If we’re still all possession no bite by end of September then I’d share some of your worries but right now a team thrown together without a proper full pre season have 7 points from 4 matches and have created enough chances to win the 2 matches they didn’t. 

25 minutes ago, Jayram said:

Shrewsbury were utter garbage though so we should really be beating sides like that if we want to progress in this league, even at this early stage of the season.

Shrews beat Wycombe last match, who are always up and around the play offs lately in this league. 

4 minutes ago, Anag Ram said:

Concussion injury protocol 

Thank you! I was watching and knew there was confusion about two subs warming up when they’d already made 4 but missed the reason. 

19 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

Maybe part of the issue about tiring in the second half ( which I do find worrying) is that we only used three subs whilst Charlton used 6. Sibley and Dobbin are obviously fresh legs but who else do we have? 

Why were Charlton allowed to use 6? 

If you’re worried after watching/listening to that then you may as well call it a day for following us otherwise you’re gonna end up in tears when we actually don’t play well. 
 

Bossed the majority of the game - they did come in to it early in the second half but that’s always going to happen, you can’t control a game for 100% of the time. Created more than enough chances to win 3 matches never mind 1. 
 

Knight and Collins (x2) misses were costly ultimately but whilst ever we are creating chances and controlling games I’ll be happy and fairly confident that the wins won’t be far behind. A good performance today across 95% of the pitch. Just a shame the 5% missing was their penalty box. 
 

23 hours ago, Blondest Goat said:

You can see he's a decent player but I thought he had one of those days where nothing went right for him yesterday.  Just seemed on a different wavelength to the rest of the team. Totally understandable of course given how little time the team have had together.

Sibley was much more effective when he replaced him.

Think he showed very quickly that he will make things happen and get us up the pitch. Difference between him passing back to CBs vs others is that he was sprinting to make a new angle to get the ball back through the lines. He was actually getting very frustrated at not getting the ball back. 
 

also that ball for NML was delightful. 
 

Agreed Sibley made a good impact when coming on but honestly believe he could have replaced about 3/4 different players when he came on. 

Korey Smith is some player by the way. 
 

Will be massive for us this season and was using his movement to try and drive us forwards when things were getting a bit chuckle brothers at the back. 

3 hours ago, ollycutts1982 said:

I like the home and 3rd kit. Away is okay. Just can’t wait for the tip off prices to be announced. I know it is beyond the control of the club and lies with the manufacturer but prices are ridiculous. For the past few kits I’ve sourced my shirts from elsewhere and the quality is very good. Worn for each game and also for playing in weekly. All for £25. Also kids come with shorts for £25. So £75 for me and my lads to be kitted out. 
 

Football kit pricing along with pretty much every aspect of football needs addressing. 

‘DHGATE likes this’ 

So who were the trialists last night and how did they do? 
 

Cashin and Foz both should know better for those goals and I think once you’re 1-0 down with a weakened team who haven’t had as many minutes then it’s always uphill. 
 

on to Saturday!