IlsonDerby

1 hour ago, Carnero said:

Our form over the last 1 game has been title winning. Do we ignore that because of the first 30 matches? We can all pick and choose stats 😃

I know you’re trying to make a point but you’re essentially saying that because over all his tenure has been ‘as expected’ we shouldn’t be concerned at allowing teams who were 7/8 points below us to overtake us in the space of ten matches. Is this really the case? 

1 hour ago, Wolfie20 said:

On that basis the Wendies should sack big Dave then?

have you chosen to ignore the bit where I said I’m not calling for him to be sacked and that I hope I have egg on my face? 
 

I think Wednesday should ask serious questions of a manager who’s seen them slide from 8(maybe more?) points clear at the top down to third in the space of 10 matches though. Why wouldn’t you? 

7 hours ago, IlsonDerby said:

I’ll be clear on my position now that we’ve won a game so I can’t be accused of being reactive or emotional. I don’t think he’s the right man for the job and I think we’ll be in this division for longer because of this appointment. 
 

I think he’s a good bloke and he’ll sign some good characters and he’ll do his best Alan Partridge interviews to keep some fans happy but I think fundamentally we’re building on a style that won’t keep us moving forwards if we do manage to get out of this division. Just ask Rotherham fans whether they’d take him back ahead of their new manager. 
 

I hope I’m shown to have egg on my face. I do want him to be successful. 

This isn’t me saying he should be sacked by the way it’s me setting my stall out so 18 matches into next season when he’s sacked I can’t be accused of using hindsight 😂

1 hour ago, Carnero said:

You're doing the typical anti-manager thing of picking and choosing which period you want to look at and class as "relegation form".

53 points from 31 games in charge isn't relegation form, it's 5th/6th performance.

I’m also doing the typical fan thing of looking at the most recent performances and results. 

1 hour ago, Carnero said:

You're doing the typical anti-manager thing of picking and choosing which period you want to look at and class as "relegation form".

53 points from 31 games in charge isn't relegation form, it's 5th/6th performance.

Okay I get that and if the form was around 1.4 points per game consistently across those 34 games then fair enough but our form over the last 10 has been vile. Do we ignore than because of the first 20 matches? Within those matches also included the zero shots on target surrender to Ipswich away amongst others…

3 minutes ago, inter politics said:

Feel sorry for some, particularly Wildsmith who has been excellent but McGoldrick has been the standout and game-changer. It's like watching a Brazilian street player at times and that's a compliment.

He’s playing 3D chess at times whilst everyone else is playing snakes and ladders. A different gravy 

McG

4 hours ago, Curtains said:

Warne is doing what he has to do this season.   
He has tried different permutations and that’s good on him. 
I think he is doing as well as any manager could do with these players

I disagree. I don’t believe any manager should have this group of players in the bottom 4 of the form table (before yesterdays result). 
 

I don’t think we should demand play offs or promotion but there is so much dross in this division that we shouldn’t be experiencing relegation form over a period of 8-10 matches at any point. I don’t think that’s being entitled. 

1 hour ago, Tyler Durden said:

Regards your comments on Millers supporters wanting to take Warne back I've pulled a selection of hopefully balanced comments from the Rotherham fans forum regards Warne:-

 

 I think there are big similarities in how PW and MT set us up from the off in most games, and even though we didnt get to see how the changes MT made, just before and during half time against Cardiff, there is no way PW would have changed any player, unless injured, before the 60 mins mark.

 

Though Derby performances similar to what we saw at times. Good first half’s, not taking chances. … other side realise what’s going wrong and make changes, warney keeps it the same…why not were doing ok.

 

Massive similarities to ourselves last season. Our implosion last year was spectacular and easily forgotten because we limped over the line in the last game but we had better players last season than Derby do now and that's what the Derby fans don't get. They think that Warne got us up on a shoestring for League 1 but that is certainly not true.

 

It seems to me if you have a blueprint and follow it then every item built from that blueprint turns out the same

In PW’s world we know what that blueprint is. Start strong, press hard, pick up points, get injuries, fade in the second half, no plan B then start looking over your shoulder as to who might catch up.

Sometimes nobody catches up and the fans think you’re the best thing since sliced bread

 

Lot of old key players in that Derby team which given when Warne took the job isn't probably his fault .

They need to get themselves in front in the first half or they are done for against the better teams in league one .

It's not that Derby aren't fit its the fact if they don't land the knock out punch they will lose the fight on points .

 

He was still a great manager for us and gave us some wonderful times, but i wasn't happy with the way he left and he is at derby whose fans make Wednesday fans look modest.

Doesn’t inspire me 😂

I’ll be clear on my position now that we’ve won a game so I can’t be accused of being reactive or emotional. I don’t think he’s the right man for the job and I think we’ll be in this division for longer because of this appointment. 
 

I think he’s a good bloke and he’ll sign some good characters and he’ll do his best Alan Partridge interviews to keep some fans happy but I think fundamentally we’re building on a style that won’t keep us moving forwards if we do manage to get out of this division. Just ask Rotherham fans whether they’d take him back ahead of their new manager. 
 

I hope I’m shown to have egg on my face. I do want him to be successful. 

My concern is that I’m starting to think the mix of good football and direct football that we saw during the unbeaten run was more a hangover from Roseniors instructions and now we’re aimlessly launching it forwards with very little in terms of incisive good play on the ground. 
 

Let us be very clear, despite a tough start we had the higher xG than our opposition in every game under Rosenior and it was our finishing which was woeful. 
 

I think what worries me is we’re all hoping that he gets some players in that’ll make his style work and we’ll be successful but the other option is we fill the team with absolute cloggers and athletes at the expense of technical ability and we’re shown to still be falling short but we’re now left with a squad full of hoof merchants. 

Nothing in the centre of the park. On two or three occasions Sibley has collected on the left which has relieved their press only to have no one within 40 yards of him in the centre as an option. Had to go back on both occasions inviting more pressure. 

Imagine a neutral watching this 😂 agricultural to say the least. 

12 hours ago, Jourdan said:

We have lost less than 30% of our league games this season and you are worried about a losing culture being developed?

We’re on a bad run. All teams experience them. Let’s not overblow it. When we were 15 games unbeaten, we knew it had to end at some point. This is no different.

The summer will be an almost complete reset and so much will change that the possibility of us suffering a hangover from this season is almost slim to none.

Please stop with the scaremongering, especially as we can still go on a winning run and we still have a shot at a Wembley promotion and a very successful end to the season. 

Now if we were to lose another 4-5 between now and May, then this kind of thinking would hold a lot more weight. But what is the likelihood of that?

Don’t tell me what to do or stop doing as a fan. 
 

I’m not calling for anyone’s head but you’re burying your head in the sand. ‘You’re only as good as your last game’ is the saying. if you go unbeaten for the first 20 matches of the season and sit comfortably on 45 points whilst losing the next ten matches in a row do you sit there and say ‘well we’ve only lost 33% of our matches this season. It’s fine’ or do you think ‘wow this run of form is concerning’ ? 

Obviously an extreme scenario but the point stands. It’s perfectly acceptable to be concerned about the poor run that we’re on. Relegation form is relegation form regardless of how good the unbeaten run was. 

                  Wildsmith 

         Rooney Cashin Fozzy 

Knight                            Roberts

               Bird Hourihane 

                      Sibley 

                McG      NML 

Knight actually has the pace to get up and down the right more effectively than Smith. 
 

Bird and Hourihane should create a solid platform to build from. 
 

NML given a free role up top but told to stretch the defence by being on the shoulder whenever Bird/Hourihane/ Wingbacks get possession. This should create space between their defence and midfield for McG and Sibley to have a go at the defence. 
 

Tell Knight and Roberts to stick to the touch lines when we are in possession and for the wingback opposite the side of play to be high as an outlet. 
 

Time to start thinking about how we’ll set up next year if he has players in that suit a 352 whilst giving us the best chance of not throwing away the last few games of this season. 
 

Dobbin/Bark can replace Sibley for the front line to look like 

NML McG Dobbin

in a 343 if it isn’t working. 

15 hours ago, David said:

Just out of interest, has anyone already officially moved into the Warne out camp and would genuinely be happy to see a corner flag tweet in the morning announcing his departure?

I wouldn’t actively want that or be calling for it but if it did happen I wouldn’t be surprised or wondering why he’s gone. Relegation form is relegation form. From being 4th and comfortably 7/8 points away from 7th down to 7th is a capitulation by any standards. 
 

I hope he manages to turn our end of season form around. Get the players in that allow us to play a mix of direct football and good passing football with decent ball players and a purposeful well drilled press as we demonstrated could be done during that big unbeaten run. I don’t hope he can do this because I like him, he’s a bit Alan partridge for me. I hope he can do this because he’s our manager on a FOUR!! Year deal and I don’t want to enter a cycle of paying extortionate money to terminate managers contracts again. 

24 minutes ago, Jourdan said:

If we don’t finish in the play-offs, we just go again next year.

Let go of the entitlement you are obviously carrying and show the league some respect. Promotion has to be earned, not given.

You make it sound like every club of our size and stature dominates the division and goes up at the first time of asking and there are countless examples of actually quite the opposite.

We were in the top six from November to April and we are only out of it on goal difference. We have been competing at the top end of the division, but we are not the only good side in the division and it is no disgrace to be where we are.

Ask the likes of Darren Moore, Kieran McKenna, Steven Schumacher, Michael Duff and Ian Evatt to compete under our restrictions and the response you’d get wouldn’t be a kind one.

Just because we have the best stadium, the best training facilities and the biggest crowds doesn’t mean we are in the best position to succeed.

We are competing against sides who yo-yo between the Championship (Barnsley and Peterborough) and sides who have spent several years coming together (Bolton, Plymouth, Wednesday and Ipswich).

We have no divine right to success in this league.

I don’t disagree with Ambitious. Whilst I never felt that we’d get close to autos once we were 7/8 points clear of 7th place I said to my pals that only relegation form would see us miss out on top 6. 
 

Do we trust a manager currently managing us through relegation form to start next season? For me it’s a tough decision Clowes will have to make. His last 10 matches have been awful and he needs to change our fortunes before the end of the season. I don’t mean this in an entitled way but in a serious way. Look at how often relegated teams struggle the following season because they can’t shake off the habit of losing. We are currently developing that relegation form/habit of losing. Without changing around 60% of the squad (which will have its own drawbacks in terms of hitting the ground running) we’ll be left with a squad used to losing. 

22 hours ago, VulcanRam said:

I agree with this. When the football is unappealing on the eye, you can get away with it when you're winning. When you're not though, the Emperor's new clothes are shed and what you're left with is really quite depressing. 

Thing is, when we went on that unbeaten run some of the football was a lovely. A real mix between direct play (with intent rather than aimlessly lifting it up field) and passing through the lines. This was only possible because of the accurate direct balls which forced the opposition back creating space for us to play in. Turned into hoof merchants and I reckon I could currently beat most our players in a 40 yard sprint. 
 

Needed to be giving Thompson minutes to keep Hourihane fresh. Needed to be getting more of Dobbin and Osula/Springett on to give NML and Barkhuizen a rest to keep them fresh. If that meant some areas of the pitch were weakened in some games then so be it if it let us carry on the more intense press a bit longer into the season. 

12 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

Am sure the consensus at the start of the season through another poll was a Top 6 finish would be an acceptable outcome for the season. Happy to be corrected on that point though if my memory doesn't serve me correctly.

So on that basis we are still very much placed to achieve what was deemed to be acceptable outcome. 

Doesn't that then answer the question? And removes the necessity for any other polls. 

I think for most people - though happy to be told I’m wrong - wanted to see improvements as the season went on. A slow start followed by a steady increase in performances and results and perhaps just leaving it too late to get into the play offs but excited about next year. 

14 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

I like Warne. Find him down to earth, easy to listen to, passionate, clearly an intelligent guy. 

But I’m a bit disappointed with the football we play under him.

I may be alone in this.

But I preferred Rosenior. We may still have lost 0-2 to Ipswich, but we probably would have done so with a greater outlook as we dominate the ball, create more chances, give the younger players more game time.

When we lose under Warne it’s just depressing. The football is generally crap and we look like we have no real identity.

When we lost under Rosenior (especially at Charlton) we still looked a good side. 

I thought we were looking good under Warne but the more you analyze it, you realize our amazing run was down to playing crap teams more than anything Warne actually did.

Under Rosenior we picked up two points from Lincoln, Shrews and Fleetwood away. Horrible results. Yet in the reverse fixtures at home under Warne, we still only picked up two points and arguably played worse.

How I feel about things right now. 
 

I think before he was just focussing on winning his battles and playing his game. I think now he’s trying too hard to force things because he’s frustrated at the performances/results. But because he’s forcing things it doesn’t look natural. 
 

Needs managing well. 

On 22/03/2023 at 17:42, Caerphilly Ram said:

I know @Carnero shared this in the admin thread but I felt it needed it’s own thread in case some people avoid the admin thread, ya know cause of all the trauma. There’s a very good interview with David Clowes given to Marketing Derby which reveals a bit more about the man, the takeover and the plans for the future;

Full version in the digital magazine here;

https://heyzine.com/flip-book/8867b12b48.html
 

and an abridged version on this link;

https://www.marketingderby.co.uk/news/the-reluctant-hero-who-brought-rams-back-from-the-brink/

Well worth a read and credit to Carnero for the original share 🐏 

Jesus reading that has floored me. 
Choked up again. Brought back all those memories of sitting in my car on the drive crying after the deal had been announced and we’d been saved. Pure relief. 

29 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Whenever you feel right to. 

David Clowes has set a 5 year goal so to get back to the championship so maybe you’re right and it is a 5 year “excuse”. For me it’s not an excuse, it is relevant context for why our club isn’t quite back where it belongs. 
Warne has shown some limitations or stubbornness on this recent run, but for me there’s more to it than just “Warne is rubbish”.  Which manager available to us this season would be doing better? We can’t say. However a big part of Morris’ tenure and ultimately the crisis it led to was the hiring and firing of managers and the constant need to bring in their kind of players. I’m content to sit through this rough patch with the expectation that we will see more player turnover in the summer, recruitment tailored to how Warne wants to play and then we’ll see how we go from there. If come Nov/Dec we’re not going anywhere fast then I’ll ask questions about his suitability for the role. For now I’m using that perspective and context to temper any disappointment in view of the longer term goals.

Where has Clowes said this is a 5 year plan? I hadn’t seen that. Interesting 

22 hours ago, Magicman said:

Think we will play Barnsley in semis then Bolton in the finals - provided we keep our top players fit.

If we play Barnsley in the semis we don’t need to worry about the final ?

I just worry that Warne and Rotherham are like Nathan Jones and Luton. 
 

A gaffer that performs brilliant results with an unfancied side that punches above its weight.