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Feel for them fans who have sang their hearts out all game despite the team giving them nothing to shout about since 4 minutes. 
 

Turgid rubbish again. 

3 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

And so when we went on a good run in the middle of the season, were scoring goals, not conceding, winning home and away or at the very least not losing games? 
I get it, you don’t like Warne and his style of play. I can’t help you with that, I would say be a little more objective in your critique of him. 
He’s had some very good moments this season, and some very bad. His tactical awareness and in game management are frustrating to the point of almost non-existence, and his man management and motivation seems to be very good at times. 

We’ll never know if Rosenior would have done better so it’s a moot point to discuss that really. As it stands we are in with a chance of the play offs with games to go, both managers played a part in that along with the group of players. We were never likely to go up via the autos despite that mathematical possibility and little moments of hope through the season as Plymouth, Sheff Weds and Ipswich have more balanced and established squads than we do. To be in with a shout of the play offs is where we should be and is great, despite the rubbish performances of late, there’s still that chance we could go up. 

I go to football to be entertained to be fair and I look at the football he serves up and I just think what absolute damage is gonna be done to the squad in the long term if he clogs it up with hoof merchants and athletes this summer. 

2 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

So when it works it’s the players not the management, when it doesn’t it’s the manager not the players? Come on 

When it works regularly and consistently it’s the manager 👍🏻 when it’s a dogshit sandwich regularly it’s the manager. 

2 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Rewatch Monday’s game and you will see Smith sitting in midfield in front of the back 3 breaking up play and doing the simple stuff, then the front 6 passing and moving and creating chances. Hourihane and Barkhuizen combined down the left several times so it wasn’t all McGoldrick and NML as you say.

I genuinely believe that is in spite of the managers ideas otherwise where has it been? 
 

Patterns of play don’t just disappear because you’re out of form because they’re being drilled into you all week in training.

1 minute ago, sage said:

This is a dreadful performance 

I cannot believe they haven't scored yet

They are a better team than us we are just fortunate that we have better players and a couple of them managed to combine. 

Just now, Rammy03 said:

It is. Did you watch any of the games in that long unbeaten run? Saying there was no pattern of play is just wrong. You must have been choosing not to see it.

I wanted to see it. I want him to be a success despite my cynicism. There wasn’t patterns of play. You know this because there’d still be the same patterns of play now but just done more poorly due to low confidence/poor form. This isn’t the case.

Just now, Caerphilly Ram said:

It’s not a free pass. It’s reality. Rosenior knew that too, he spoke about the imbalance of the squad and that it would take time. We have no right backs, we only have two aging strikers, all of our central midfielders are pretty much the same type of build and approach to playing the game. 

Your point about Rosenior getting them creating chances is mirrored in what Warne has done with the squad and rather than making your point actually disproves it. Warne has had the squad creating loads of chances and taking them at times this season, and not so much recently. Which sort of reinforces the deficiencies in the squad. Warne has got us winning away from home which is a good improvement on the last few years.

 

That simply isn’t true. Our xG was higher than the oppositions in every match under Rosenior. It’s not the case now. 
 

We’ve genuinely had matches where we haven’t had a shot on target under Warne…

1 minute ago, Rammy03 said:

That is total rubbish

Well it isn’t. 

1 minute ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

But that conveniently ignores the times when there is a pattern of play in what the team does. This team spent a chunk of the season being greater than the sum of its parts, it’s currently in a bad patch of form with players lacking confidence. It’s also a squad lacking in bodies in certain areas.
Your expectation is a great one, under normal circumstances, this season is not a normal one for the club and so tempering expectations can go a long way to managing frustrations. That’s what works for me anyway. I’d love us to be sweeping teams aside with flowing, passing football….and I’d love us to be blowing teams away with direct pace and power, neither of which is realistic with the imbalance of our squad. 

We’ve got some very technically gifted players in this division. We’ve got very little power and even less pace. 
 

Which of the two styles should be leant towards until squad is shaped appropriately. 
 

I’ve not ignored patterns of play. There aren’t any. The general tactic was ‘don’t concede. Give it to McG or NML and hope they beat 2/3 players or do something special’.

NML can’t walk and he takes Barkhuizen off instead. 

6 minutes ago, Andicis said:

We have a group of misfit players put together based on availability rather than style. No one style would solve all of our problems . We need recruitment first and foremost.

See reply: 

Stop giving free passes out ffs. Rosenior had us playing it along the ground (sometimes frustrating how often the centre backs had it) creating absolute buckets of chances but just unable to take them. With the same squad. 
 

Bird, Knight, Hourihane, McG, NML, Barkhuizen, Cashin, Wildsmith are all excellent players at this level. Let’s not pretend it’s the same as the predicament we were in last season.

2 minutes ago, Andicis said:

We have a group of misfit players put together based on availability rather than style. No one style would solve all of our problems . We need recruitment first and foremost.

Stop giving free passes out ffs. Rosenior had us playing it along the ground (sometimes frustrating how often the centre backs had it) creating absolute buckets of chances but just unable to take them. With the same squad. 
 

Bird, Knight, Hourihane, McG, NML, Barkhuizen, Cashin, Wildsmith are all excellent players at this level. Let’s not pretend it’s the same as the predicament we were in last season.

13 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

We are winning aren’t we? Barton has been manager there for a couple of seasons now with time to shape the side how he wants. I don’t think we’ll ever see Warne coaching the team to be a slick, possession based side and I accept that rather than railing against it pointlessly.
I do think he’ll add players that allow his preferred 3-5-2 to work in a way it’s intended, fingers crossed that means we’ll be blowing teams away early on with pace and power whatever league we’re in next season. 

I can accept non possession based football but I can’t accept pointless hoofball with no clear patterns of play. All I want from any manager or coach is a team that is greater than the sum of the parts. 
 

10 minutes ago, Andicis said:

Losing football. Incredible!

He’s got them playing in a way where the team is greater than the sum of the parts and it’s easy on the eye too. With our players who are a level above their players the football they play would be winning football. 

Look at the football Barton has got them playing. Imagine our players being coached to play like that eh 😮‍💨

30 minutes ago, Oldben said:

Mark Thomas was the director of football at Oxford United from 2011 to 2018. During his time at the club, he made a number of successful signings, including:

Kemar Roofe (£300,000 from Leeds United): Roofe scored 65 goals in 129 appearances for Oxford United, helping them to promotion to League One in 2016. He was sold to Leeds United for £6.5 million in 2018.

Alex Gilbey (£100,000 from Stevenage): Gilbey made 103 appearances for Oxford United, scoring 14 goals. He was sold to Charlton Athletic for £1.5 million in 2018.

James Henry (free transfer from Coventry City): Henry made 128 appearances for Oxford United, scoring 28 goals. He was sold to Bristol City for £1 million in 2018. Ryan Ledson (free transfer from Everton): Ledson made 103 appearances for Oxford United, scoring 10 goals. He was sold to Preston North End for £1.5 million in 2018.

John Mousinho (free transfer from Nottingham Forest): Mousinho made 125 appearances for Oxford United, scoring 10 goals. He was sold to Burton Albion for £1 million in 2018.

These are just a few of the many successful signings that Mark Thomas made during his time at Oxford United.

He was a key figure in the club's rise to League One and their subsequent success in the division.

Mark Thomas was the director of football at Lincoln City from 2018 to 2022. During his time at the club, he made a number of successful signings, including:

Brennan Johnson (free transfer from Nottingham Forest): Johnson scored 41 goals in 136 appearances for Lincoln City, helping them to promotion to League One in 2020. He was sold to Nottingham Forest for £17 million in 2022.

Jorge Grant (£100,000 from Charlton Athletic): Grant scored 21 goals in 101 appearances for Lincoln City, helping them to promotion to League One in 2020. He was sold to Nottingham Forest for £10 million in 2022.

Liam Cullen (free transfer from Southampton): Cullen made 62 appearances for Lincoln City, scoring 10 goals. He was sold to Bristol City for £1.5 million in 2022.

Tayo Edun (free transfer from Fulham): Edun made 84 appearances for Lincoln City, scoring 3 goals. He was sold to Millwall for £1 million in 2022.

Alex Woolfenden (free transfer from Ipswich Town): Woolfenden made 82 appearances for Lincoln City, scoring 2 goals. He was sold to Ipswich Town for £1 million in 2022.

These are just a few of the many successful signings that Mark Thomas made during his time at Lincoln City. He was a key figure in the club's rise to League One and their subsequent success in the division.

These players were all signed for relatively low fees and went on to have a significant impact on their respective clubs. They were all key players in their teams' promotion to League One, and they all went on to be sold for significant profits.

Mark Thomas has a proven track record of identifying and signing talented players.

I'm glad that he's working on our plan for our summer recruitment.

Wasn’t Johnson and Grant on loan from forest? 

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Not laid a glove on them since the goal for f sake. Crap. 

Would like to see NML replaced a bit earlier when he tires. RWB isn’t somewhere you can play if you’re out of gas as we saw Monday. 
 

Big chance today derby come on!

5 minutes ago, one_chop said:

Including Collins in the line up is the equivalent of fielding 10 men. 

Utter rubbish. 

15 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

But the "one decision" as you try and play it down is a pivotal one regarding the managerial responsibility of the club. 

Pretty major one decision that it seems you fundamentally think he's fouled up on. 

You're basically questioning his judgement as owner which is pretty serious. 

Hardly. This is a fans forum. If he headed to Clowes place of work and shouted at him that he’d failed then fair enough but doubting a choice of manager isn’t as cruel as you’re making out. 
 

Clowes would probably be the first to admit that this isn’t his area of expertise. He’s a property and construction man. His judgement on these things is clearly incredible. He’d been a football club owner about 2 months when he appointed Warne…

Since he was appointed we beat Bolton (6th) and Charlton (10th). 
 

Every other team we’ve beat are in the bottom 10 in the league. 
 

Our results against the top 8 have been abysmal. It’s clear we are flat track bullies who took advantage of a run of fixtures against poorer teams. 
 

Like I say we’ll see what happens over summer and who were able to bring in but it’s evident where our shortcomings are. 

4 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Where is the balance in people’s thinking? I get it’s frustrating not to win after being so dominant. How can you attribute all the blame for the second half to Warne yet somehow act like the first half was in spite of him not because of him?! It’s nonsensical. 
I agree the second half wasn’t as good, but to ignore that MK Dons made a substitution at half time which is clear evidence of them changing approach doesn’t make sense. 
Warne was guilty in that second half, as he has been repeatedly for a few weeks, of not making changes earlier than needed and perhaps of not tweaking the formation when we were chasing a goal to get Sibley further up.  If the players had taken the chances created using Warne’s tactics in the first half we’d have won comfortably and people would all probably feel a little more balanced. 

Today’s result wasn’t the fault of Warne. It was abysmal finishing from players who should be doing better. 
 

That being said the players still don’t look well coached. Said to me dad in the first half ‘they fire the ball to NML and then leave him isolated to try and beat 2 defenders every time. Where is the coaching to support him and help take the defenders away or to utilise the space vacated when two players double up on NML?’ 

4 hours ago, Loughborough Ram said:

This thread has a sad inevitability about it.

Whether it's now, tomorrow, next week, next year or whenever, half of the fans will say that he was never suitable and they said all along that he should go, and the other half will still be defending him.

I know that this is modern day football in a nutshell but wasn't it nice last year when these kind of debates didn't happen, everybody was pulling in the same direction and just being supporters in its purest sense.

I think that this was happening mainly because of the dire situation we were in as a club but in a small part down to the fact that the team was clearly playing in a way that was greater than the sum of its parts. 

16 hours ago, ram59 said:

The normal form table of 6 games shows Sheff Wed on 4 points from those 6 games including 3 points from the last 4 games against those the so called dross, Forest Green, Cheltenham, Lincoln and Oxford. You could make the same statement about Darren Moore, incidently, we picked up 13 points from those 6 fixtures.

It's very easy to produce stats, to 'prove' an argument, just like my stats, which are unbalanced.

At no point have I said he should be sacked but yeah absolutely Wednesday should be concerned by their current form and if you look on their socials they absolutely are…