IlsonDerby

10 hours ago, Jourdan said:

Didn’t Sibley hit the post and McGoldrick have a winning goal marginally and contentiously ruled out for offside v Lincoln?

Didn’t Dobbin force the keeper into a last gasp save v Shrewsbury? Didn’t we squander chances in the first half to go 3-0 up and put the game out of sight?

On another day, we win both games. I stand by what I said. We’re having a wobble but today is the only really alarming result and performance in this current run.

 

Whilst not wanting to over react the results have papered over a lack of style/pattern of play/tactical vision. 
 

I watch how Plymouth and Barnsley played, how Ipswich played. It was so so clear what their managers are trying to do there. The players know what to do with the ball. There are patterns to the play and they’ve shown you can play good progressive football and be successful in this division. 
 

I don’t mind Warne but it feels to me like when it’s a really good passage of play with movement and one touch passing it’s in spite of him and his coaching staff who just want the channels ran for 90 minutes, direct football and winning second balls. 
 

7 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said:

Absolutely disgraceful from start to finish. No guts, no drive, no willingness to track, no shape, absolute fu**ing nothing. I don't know what Warne is doing on the training ground but our 'tactics' seem to consist of hitting it in the direction of collins and hoping he can produce something out of nothing. The shape was non-existent and a big gap between defence and midfield meant it was so easy for Fleetwood to poke holes in us. Do they do any opposition research? The quickness of the opposition meant that it was not a game to have a defence which had all the pace of a one-legged pensioner. 

On the goals they were too easy. The first goal was great but why on earth was no-one within 5 yards of him... just too easy for him to volley it. The second, well the less said about cashin, forsyth, and wildsmith the better. The three of them should have been pulled off there and then for that shambolic sequence of events. All of them should be fined a week's wages for that alone and that's before we get into everything else. 

Warne needs to start having a look at himself. Whilst the players lacked effort, drive, and determination today they also crucially lacked anything resembling a game plan. Warne has seemingly got us going backwards towards a bizarre series of 'hit and hope' forward balls with no runners and a back line that has gone from not looking like it could concede to looking like it can't stop conceding. Cashin doesn't learn- getting too tight and then we've got no-one to cover, Forysth running through treacle and lacking any bite and then we've got Wildsmith who has gone from scott carson to andy oakes in the past 2 months. He alone has been partially at fault for at least 5 of the goals we've conceded in the last 6 games. 

Personally, I hope we drop out of the playoffs now as we're not going to win them and could even end up embarrassing ourselves. I'd say we need a clear out in the summer and we need to seriously consider Warne's position as this type of result has been coming. 

Said this to the old man. What is our style/game plan? 
 

We’ve done quite well relying on having better players than the crap teams and bits of individual quality against some of the better teams. It’s fine but for me a manager is only decent if the team is greater than the sum of the parts. If it isn’t - the manager isn’t actually adding any value. I do want to reserve judgement until the team looks more like the system he used at Rotherham… 

Ahhh yes the February March melt down. How I’ve missed you. 
 

Kindest thing that could happen is to slip down to seventh. Imagine we somehow get up through the play offs, how vile will next season be? We can’t get significant reinforcements in with our transfer kitty and signing on fee and agent fee of £0

1 minute ago, Andicis said:

I think he could probably do with a rest, but it's really difficult for us with the size of our squad to give him one. I agree with you, his form is well off. Seems tired to me. 

I don’t want to slate him as on balance he’s been brilliant for us this year but about 8-10 games ago defenders could not cope with him and now it feels like at times he’s hiding in games. 

Has NML had a family bereavement or a family issue? Been a different player over the last few weeks. 
 

I know he scored last week but he tried his best to mess it up. 
 

gone from a winger who I wouldn’t trade for any other in our league to someone I’m not sure should be starting. 

Turgid start. Making a team who ain’t won since about Christmas look like world beaters. 

19 hours ago, Millenniumram said:

Just because yours isn’t as big as NML’s

I’ve got one hell of a neck though 

5 hours ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

Let's deal with the pathetic Collymore song first. 

This too.
 

Songs that get behind us without mentioning male appendage please and I’ll sing non stop for 90 minutes. 
 

Singing about players’ nobs. 
 

It isn’t funny, it’s so so weird and I’m pretty sure the players don’t find it amusing either. 

Connor Dixon named in our first team squad? He’s just been loaned out to Ilkeston town!! 

10 hours ago, Steve How Hard? said:

Add another £1m to his price tag. 

That puts it at £1m

I wasn’t thrilled by him and got tired of his interviews. I wasn’t sure he could get these aging players to do what he wanted them to with the energy levels required. 
 

I was wrong. We don’t play horrible hoof it football as I’d feared. It’s a nice balance between waiting for openings and forcing the other team to turn with a direct pass. Night and day from those first few games when it felt like the players thought he just wanted them launching it long. 
 

I turn up to every game believing we can win. Just taking each game as it comes. Not eyeing up 2nd place as I don’t want it to feel disappointing if we fall short because we are tearing teams apart at the moment and I want to enjoy that.
 

The race is definitely on though and I’m glad it was Plymouth who slipped up. Reckon Wednesday will romp the league now so it has to be Plymouth who tail off…

Wasn’t a vintage performance by Col tonight but he’s 1 league one striker vs 3 much higher level centre backs. All their fans are raving about that big fella at LCB, ogbonna has been at that level for a few years now and I can’t remember their third CB… 

22 hours ago, BondJovi said:

What these stats can never take into consideration is the human nature of it all. Has that chance fallen to an inform or out of form striker? Does this chance go up if playing against a former club? If you miss many chances, the pressure can build as the game goes on. Does that chance later on get the same rating, even though it is more pressured?

 

The xG stat literally does take into account who it falls to ? Hourihanes goal has a much lower xG if it’s Curtis Davies running on to it in the box! 

19 hours ago, David said:

The bold highlights what football is though, teams waste chances, you go on runs, come up against in form out of form.

How many games have you watched where the team with less possession, shots go on an win, Gary Rowett has made a career out of it.

 xG would have him overperforming, yet it's just his style working.

It's a deeply flawed statistic that is being given too much weight imo. 

What I love about football is the opinions, talking with mates after a game without bringing up stats.

I can understand clubs using all kinds of data to monitor performances, yet fans? 

See I think you’re misconstruing it there. 
 

Rowett makes a career of being robust defensively and trying to take chances through being direct. I’d imagine most of his wins are backed up by XG because the expected goals against will always be so so low for his sides. 
 

im not disputing the beauty of overachieving or winning against the run of play but teams don’t often finish too far away from xG so useful as a metric with no emotion. much better than possession and shots on target etc 

3 hours ago, David said:

Because shots and shots on target are actual attempts on goal, actual.

Not oh we expect because you're there, doesn't actually take into account the defence or the keeper who could be having a good or bad game.

Nor does it factor in if you have Mbappe or Dobbin in that position.

It's an absolute nonsense stat that the hipsters will try and use to show how they should have won. Behave.

The team that is more clinical with their chances and put the ball in the net wins. It's really that simple.

Think you’re wrong with your attitude towards xG stats Dave. It is important to attach some form of quality rating to chances so you can get a meaningful insight into how creative/dangerous a team are. A team could go on a run of 4 wins due to the opposition missing easy chances and them scoring Max Bird rippers. Despite the good form it’s a false position and you’d expect a regression to the mean. 
 

it’s why Rotherham’s slide after Warne left was predictable and probably would have happened (maybe less as drastically) had Warne stayed as they were way over performing their XG.
 

There’s only so long you can keep scoring goals based on low quality chances in the same way that I’d have expected us to shoot up the league under Rosenior as our xG was higher than our oppositions in each game we played which meant sooner or later we’d have started finishing the chances we were creating and missing. 

On 16/01/2023 at 19:35, Electric Ram said:

Head to head

 

In defence of Hugill the delivery for Collins headers was > the delivery for Hugills headers ?

I thought Bolton looked good. Only Plymouth have impressed me more at pride park. 
 

Thought that it shows that we’re turning into some unrelenting machine just marching towards to the end of the season. 

Will we go up? Who knows. Would take ‘Warne losing his job’ sort of drop off to not make the play offs wouldn’t it from this point onwards? (28 points from 20 matches gives us 75 points which is higher than the average needed for 6th place in league one) 

As for 2nd place: 40 points from 20 games reaches the average needed for 2nd place in league one however with Wednesday and Plymouth being in fine form still that may not be enough. 
 

A sobering thought is that it would take us at least 2 points per game from now until the end of the season and hoping that one of the two above us starts to falter which doesn’t look likely right now. 
 

The other sides in the play off positions won’t fancy meeting us though so that’s a positive. 

Jesus wept these are supposedly in a relegation battle and we’ve whimpered against them. Barring the goal not one effort on target. How is a side including Hourihane, Collins, NML, Sibley, Dobbin not creating more than this?? 
 

What the f*** was that? He ran unopposed from 15 yards inside his own half ffs. Which idiot is setting us up to defend like that when a corner is cleared??? 

That late equaliser has papered over a hell of a lot of cracks in that first half performance so far. Abysmal quality in the final third. Wildsmith keeping us in it. Their keeper could have been sat on a deck chair. 
 

Thank goodness for the goal but the performance needs to improve drastically. 

Best signing:

Wildsmith. A position we had zero players for and yet have managed to arrive at someone who looks brilliant at this level. 

Most exciting signing: 

NML. When did we last have a winger that could take on and beat a man with such ease? If he had consistent end product he’d be premier league still. 
 

Most enjoyable signing to watch: 

McGoldrick. Guys playing 3D chess whilst every one else is playing noughts and crosses at times with some of his touches. 

 

14 hours ago, Oldben said:

How does having a new head of recruitment help when the club's restricted to free agents and loan deals until the end of next season.

Because it frees the rest of the staff at derby up to concentrate on their roles respectively? 

Must be a time consuming process identifying (particular for the academy) a bunch of players getting them, agents, parents in for discussions and so on even if no fees are paid. 

9 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

Well Hourihane’s not exactly famous for running around but Warne’s changing his ways 

1 game. Promising but not going to get carried away but first time this season Hourihane has stamped his authority on the game. Surely he knows his technical ability is as good as it gets at this level so with some hard work and running he’s in a different class at this level. 

57 minutes ago, Srg said:

Would love to say I care but I really don’t. Radio is really old hat at this point and it needs to get with the times, unfortunately. Commentary has been poor and summarising even worse at times for a long while. That’s before you add in the absolute dirge that is Sportscene phone-in which digs up the dregs of the fan base more than this place does. 

But for some people that’s their outlet for discussing their team. Let’s be honest it’s very rarely younger people phoning in. 

Played with only 1 player (Smith who I thought put in a cracking shift) out of position but with the more direct approach and aggression and it worked… this is what I wanted to see. A manager working with what he has got available to him. Getting Hourihane busting a gut to defend and press was a big positive. 
A step in the right direction. Whole team needs a whole days training on jockeying forwards in our own box instead of just giving them a leg to go over. Has any team ever given away this number of penalties by this point in the season?