CapeTownRams Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 42 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said: Jeeeeezus, he’s just back from injury, Warne introduced him a little later than most of us wanted but he made the change to the shape and personnel which got us an away win and our 4th win in a row…. Cant you just take a tiny bit of joy from that? He’s always ‘just back from injury’ - read sick note.:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Andicis said: I think the 7 shots on target statistic is fairly unimportant and that particular statistic can be pretty misleading. I can only name two chances of note in the game, the goal and the save from Fornah. I don't think we were particularly productive. Can you name any other serious chances that we created? There aren't many other ways to score a goal. 🙄 Collins two shots on target in the first half weren't speculative, they were created by him finding space and others passing to him. Caerphilly Ram, SKRam and FlyBritishMidland 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Well this a nice feel good period. Love it. Long may it continue! Starting to look up the table now. Not getting carried away but a lot more positive about the season! Up the 🐏🐏 Comrade 86, SKRam and Caerphilly Ram 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said: Not pathetic. The team is crying out for a decent striker and maybe we might look better going forward if we can get one in January. And the time to raise this is less than 2 minutes after we've just scored 🤣 SKRam and ossieram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 And if people want to keep up the good vibes, I’d urge you to check out the excellent way that Wycombe managed to concede an injury time goal to lose 1-0. Couldn’t happen to a nicer team! Ram-Alf, Eddie, Adslegend and 15 others 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Barney1991 said: The difference between Collins and John jules for the goal. One attacks the 6 years box while the other would have been on the wing or static. Lovely movement for the goal and nice to see someone attacking the box to finish it off uttoxram75 and Caerphilly Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Crewton said: There aren't many other ways to score a goal. 🙄 Collins two shots on target in the first half weren't speculative, they were created by him finding space and others passing to him. Yes, but using it as a barometer of chances created isn't really all that valid. A 40 yard punt counts the same as a 2 yard sitter. That's the whole crux of the point. The eye test tells me that we weren't that productive up front. Telling me we had 7 shots on target really doesn't change my mind or inform opinion further. FotMob has the XG for Derby at 0.7, which is about where I would have it. A far more valuable statistic. https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/matches/port-vale-vs-derby/3apu88#4203034 Edited November 28, 2023 by Andicis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: And the time to raise this is less than 2 minutes after we've just scored 🤣 You just keep looking for likes @G STAR RAM enjoy the glory of the night pal. Comrade 86 and G STAR RAM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Andicis said: Yes, but using it as a barometer of chances created isn't really all that valid. A 40 yard punt counts the same as a 2 yard sitter. That's the whole crux of the point. The eye test tells me that we weren't that productive up front. Telling me we had 7 shots on target really doesn't change my mind or inform opinion further. FotMob has the XG for Derby at 0.7, which is about where I would have it. A far more valuable statistic. https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/matches/port-vale-vs-derby/3apu88#4203034 xG never has been and never will be a valuable statistic. We scored a goal and 9 times out of 10 the deflected shot from Fornah goes in, so how does that translate to 0.7 expected goals? Ellafella, FlyBritishMidland, Crewton and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Just now, G STAR RAM said: xG never has been and never will be a valuable statistic. We scored a goal and 9 times out of 10 the deflected shot from Fornah goes in, so how does that translate to 0.7 expected goals? It's more valuable than the shots on target statistic. It provides some amount of context. It's not infallible, but it's the only statistic that actually provides more insight. I'm purely discussing with contrast to shots on target. The fornah deflected shot wasn't that good of a chance, it was very almost a goal, but more often than not in that position it comes to nothing. That's the basis for the statistic. Adslegend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: xG never has been and never will be a valuable statistic. We scored a goal and 9 times out of 10 the deflected shot from Fornah goes in, so how does that translate to 0.7 expected goals? Quite. In xG, Bruce Rioch would have been s***. uttoxram75 and ck- 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 26 minutes ago, Srg said: Young Vale fan doing some interviews with our lads who are being top lads with him. NML said he remembered him from last year when he asked Didzy about his song. Really good to see the potteries have attracted so much inwards investment to improve the housing stock...... Blimey, it looks like Aldershot..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerphilly Ram Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 SKRam, Rev, Crewton and 2 others 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malty Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: xG never has been and never will be a valuable statistic. We scored a goal and 9 times out of 10 the deflected shot from Fornah goes in, so how does that translate to 0.7 expected goals? If your statement is right then 0.7 is too low. 9/10 = 0.9 goals. Then you need to add however-many for the goal we actually scored. So, following your statement the expected goals is >0.9 and not 0.7. In conclusion either your statement is wrong and 9 out of 10 times Fornah’s deflected shot doesn’t actually go in or xG is incorrect. Take your pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Andicis said: I think the 7 shots on target statistic is fairly unimportant and that particular statistic can be pretty misleading. I can only name two chances of note in the game, the goal and the save from Fornah. I don't think we were particularly productive. Can you name any other serious chances that we created? Wilson chance early on well saved by the keeper, Collins first shot was screaming for a chip but was a decent stop again and Hourihane's turn and shot was blocked in front of goal by a defender. Those are another 3 good chances that spring to mind, set against zero chances for Vale, that I can remember. Just remembered NML's curling shot tipped around the post by the keeper. Edited November 28, 2023 by ram59 Crewton and jono 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Just now, ram59 said: Wilson chance early on well saved by the keeper, Collins first shot was screaming for a chip but was a decent stop again and Hourihane's turn and shot was blocked in front of goal by a defender. Those are another 3 good chances that spring to mind, set against zero chances for Vale, that I can remember. They're all half chances, none of those are chances I would usually expect to go in. I think that's an area we need to improve. We're pretty good at defending at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Some absolute drivel in this thread, from those so desperate for Warne to fail. Utterly pathetic. SKRam, ck-, Adslegend and 22 others 4 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) We are in the third tier. Its horrible, very difficult to get out of at the best of times and we are the big scalp, the team everyone wants to beat. Teams raise their game and make it difficult for us so we have to battle and fight, do the hard, ugly stuff better than them. We're not there yet but we are slowly getting to grips with it. Hard fought narrow wins Four wins on the trot, not giving silly goals away, the way NML pushed Waggy toward the away fans to start the bounce tonight, 🎵Its beginning to look a lot like promotion.......every where we gooooooo..........🎵 Edited November 28, 2023 by uttoxram75 Carnero, Caerphilly Ram, Crewton and 8 others 7 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 So, basically, nothing but an open goal counts as a chance. I bet Paul Clement has wet dreams about this stuff. jono and ck- 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Anyhow, I'm having a large celebratory glass of Laphroaig with a splash of uisge and I suggest all rams fans do similarly. TomTom92, jono, Grumpy Git and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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