Day Posted December 5, 2023 Author Share Posted December 5, 2023 Never is a long time. Our record will be broken. Nor are we the "laughing stock of English football" like it or not, many won't even have a clue who has the worst points tally ever. angieram, Geriatram, Norman and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Should anyone "beat" our record purely due to a points deduction, I will refuse to accept it. If we are to be beaten, it needs to be on merit! 🤣 jimtastic56, DenmarkRam, IslandExile and 6 others 3 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 4 hours ago, CongletonRam said: It's actually quite amusing how every season, a thread like this appears and fans get their hopes up that that embarrassing record might get beaten. It will never get beaten and no team has ever even come close to it. The closest was a huge 27% more with 15 points. We remain and will remain the laughing stock of English football whether we like that or not and unfortunately for us; Forest will always have the more ammunition to throw at us than we have at them. We beat them in that season. Surely beaten by the worst team in history is worse than being the worst team in history. Turk Thrust and jimtastic56 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 21 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said: Should anyone "beat" our record purely due to a points deduction, I will refuse to accept it. If we are to be beaten, it needs to be on merit! 🤣 Yep. Man City getting a 100 point deduction and ending on 10pts won’t count. Mucker1884, jimtastic56 and taffyram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 hour ago, TigerTedd said: Yep. Man City getting a 100 point deduction and ending on 10pts won’t count. Hmmm... I may have a re-think, and I may get back to you! 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popside ossie end popside Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Mucker1884 said: Should anyone "beat" our record purely due to a points deduction, I will refuse to accept it. If we are to be beaten, it needs to be on merit! 🤣 Well said! They have to go through the pain of 4. 5. 6-0 hammerings. They don't give these records out to any Tom Dick or Harry Mucker1884 and TigerTedd 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimtastic56 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Be interesting to see what Wilder does at Shef Utd for two reasons . Firstly the 11 point total . Also , he has been touted for the Rams job a couple of times . Is he that good or did he just take advantage of the solid foundations Nigel laid with young players like Harry Maguire ? Wouldn’t be the first manager to take advantage of Clough’s hard work. Archied 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelScum Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 I quite like the fact that every March, April or May time we are record breakers again... gives me an excuse for a small celebration 🙂 🍾 uttoxram75, DenmarkRam and taffyram 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, jimtastic56 said: Be interesting to see what Wilder does at Shef Utd for two reasons . Firstly the 11 point total . Also , he has been touted for the Rams job a couple of times . Is he that good or did he just take advantage of the solid foundations Nigel laid with young players like Harry Maguire ? Wouldn’t be the first manager to take advantage of Clough’s hard work. Just goes to prove Clough jnr was good at collecting the ingredients but was a below par chef! Edited December 5, 2023 by kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong DavesaRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted December 5, 2023 Author Share Posted December 5, 2023 8 hours ago, Mucker1884 said: Should anyone "beat" our record purely due to a points deduction, I will refuse to accept it. If we are to be beaten, it needs to be on merit! 🤣 You can stop that nonsense now. We're in League 1 due to a points deduction, that feels pretty real right now. Ramslad1992 and archram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) He's right though. It wouldn't count as the lowest accumulated points total or make them the 'worst team in history' just as our relegation due to points deductions and other EFL BS doesn't mean we deserved to be relegated to be relegated to League One. Edited December 5, 2023 by May Contain Nuts Mucker1884 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted December 5, 2023 Author Share Posted December 5, 2023 I'm taking that asterisks, you better believe it. Let them worry about who's taking the record off them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 8 hours ago, David said: You can stop that nonsense now. We're in League 1 due to a points deduction, that feels pretty real right now. Oh, I agree that points deductions are real. That’s not an issue. But our 11point record was “achieved” without a points deduction. Any team who earns 18 points on the field then had 8 deducted would not be “The worst team in history”! Maybe if the points deduction was for playing players that shouldn’t have played, therefore cheating on the pitch to achieve those 18 points, then of course I’d concede you have a point (no pun intended!) but not for off-field financials irregularities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted December 6, 2023 Author Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Mucker1884 said: Oh, I agree that points deductions are real. That’s not an issue. But our 11point record was “achieved” without a points deduction. Any team who earns 18 points on the field then had 8 deducted would not be “The worst team in history”! Maybe if the points deduction was for playing players that shouldn’t have played, therefore cheating on the pitch to achieve those 18 points, then of course I’d concede you have a point (no pun intended!) but not for off-field financials irregularities. Isn't spending more money, breaking FFP rules considered cheating though, hence the points deduction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 18 hours ago, Mucker1884 said: Should anyone "beat" our record purely due to a points deduction, I will refuse to accept it. If we are to be beaten, it needs to be on merit! 🤣 If we lose it on a points deduction I think we should sue the club in question for cheating their way to the record. Day, nick_d, Dimmu and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 23 minutes ago, David said: Isn't spending more money, breaking FFP rules considered cheating though, hence the points deduction? Of course it is. I'm not disputing that. Such a scenario could likely lead to a team being labelled "The team with the lowest points total in history". But I wouldn't equate that with our fabled "Worse team in history" label. We "achieved" our points total solely on the pitch. Solely on results. Solely in the spirit of football. Solely on the fact we were managed by a dwarf... then a porn star... and at least one of our players had a head shaped like a 50p piece. Anyone finishing on ten or less points due to points deductions would be a different "record" entirely. (I hasten to add... If they finished on 7 points, after a 3point deduction, then of course, I wouldn't argue that they hadn't taken our record away, as they only earned 10 points on the pitch any way!) As for where we are now, the reality is that we got relegated due to cheating the system/going into administration/breaking the rules... not solely as a result of our on-pitch performances/results. We're in danger of going around in circles. I simply see a points deduction as a whole different scenario to our 07/08 season. Neither of us are wrong... we're just looking at it from a different viewpoint. 🐏🍻 TigerTedd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted December 6, 2023 Author Share Posted December 6, 2023 27 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said: Of course it is. I'm not disputing that. Such a scenario could likely lead to a team being labelled "The team with the lowest points total in history". But I wouldn't equate that with our fabled "Worse team in history" label. We "achieved" our points total solely on the pitch. Solely on results. Solely in the spirit of football. Solely on the fact we were managed by a dwarf... then a porn star... and at least one of our players had a head shaped like a 50p piece. Anyone finishing on ten or less points due to points deductions would be a different "record" entirely. (I hasten to add... If they finished on 7 points, after a 3point deduction, then of course, I wouldn't argue that they hadn't taken our record away, as they only earned 10 points on the pitch any way!) As for where we are now, the reality is that we got relegated due to cheating the system/going into administration/breaking the rules... not solely as a result of our on-pitch performances/results. We're in danger of going around in circles. I simply see a points deduction as a whole different scenario to our 07/08 season. Neither of us are wrong... we're just looking at it from a different viewpoint. 🐏🍻 Well all I know is if the question comes up on Eggheads in 2026, which Premier League club finished on the lowest points tally ever. They answer Derby but it's Forest who finished on 2 points having been deducted the rest on non paid agent fees. Thats on them for being silly. TigerTedd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 33 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said: Such a scenario could likely lead to a team being labelled "The team with the lowest points total in history". 4 minutes ago, David said: Well all I know is if the question comes up on Eggheads in 2026, which Premier League club finished on the lowest points tally ever. They answer Derby but it's Forest who finished on 2 points having been deducted the rest on non paid agent fees. Thats on them for being silly. Finally... We agree! 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 42 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said: Of course it is. I'm not disputing that. Such a scenario could likely lead to a team being labelled "The team with the lowest points total in history". But I wouldn't equate that with our fabled "Worse team in history" label. We "achieved" our points total solely on the pitch. Solely on results. Solely in the spirit of football. Solely on the fact we were managed by a dwarf... then a porn star... and at least one of our players had a head shaped like a 50p piece. To be honest, seeing as you put it like that, just getting to 11 points was an achievement. Mucker1884 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 6 hours ago, VulcanRam said: To be honest, seeing as you put it like that, just getting to 11 points was an achievement. An incredible achievement at that, proven by the fact that no one else has managed to achieve it before or since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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