Warne: what would it take?

[May Contain Nuts]

14 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

I don't see anyone saying that it was tough poo that he wasn't given the permanent managers role unless you can provide that quote if I've missed it.....

Just leaving this here, straight off Google regards the definition of an interim manager:-

a temporary leader during times of change and transition

Note the key word in bold. 

I didn't say anyone had said those words, just displayed that sort of attitude.

It's an attitude which is very much very much prevalent in your posts on the subject, especially, for example when you revert to quoting strict dictionary definitions to make your point and to suggest that someone is 'slow' or 'naive if they thought that they had a chance of getting the job when their title is interim manager.

It seems to escape your grasp that we're talking about real people, not automatons.

The chairman himself has said that there was a good chance that said person could have got the job, which flies in the face of your pedantry over the word interim. 

The funny thing is I was kind of backing you up - I don't believe there's been any wrongdoing by any party and that everyone was pretty much clued in on the reality of the situation.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Kokosnuss

[jimtastic56]

I wonder if Rosenior will end up being the new Ange Postecoglou? It’s possible . But our owner wanted Paul Warne and gave him 4 years to establish us in the Championship. We have to respect the wishes of D.C. and give Paul time . I would love to see us in the top 6 and playing free-flowing football. But hey what are we going to do , start chanting “Warne Out” ?

[RoyMac5]

3 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

We have to respect the wishes of D.C. and give Paul time

Why? Did Mel always get it right? Do owners always get it right?

[Tyler Durden]

Just now, Kokosnuss said:

I didn't say anyone had said those words, just displayed that sort of attitude.

It's an attitude which is very much very much prevalent in your posts on the subject, especially, for example when you revert to quoting strict dictionary definitions to make your point and to suggest that someone is 'slow' or 'naive if they thought that they had a chance of getting the job when their title is interim manager.

It seems to escape your grasp that we're talking about real people, not automatons.

The chairman himself has said that there was a good chance that said person could have got the job, which flies in the face of your pedantry over the word interim. 

 

It anuses me that I'm being pedantic about a definition when it doesn't fit in with your narrative.

I plucked that definition from the internet as an independent source rather than use my interpretation to avoid exactly the claims you're trying to use against me.

Would suggest you provide an alternative definition of an interim manager if you don't like the one I found on the internet. 

Bet all you'll find is temporary

An interim manager in any employment field is a specialised role but the incumbents who take on this role sre under no illusion that by definition it is only temporary until they find another interim role and so on.

Not sure what else can add to this.

[May Contain Nuts]

 

4 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

It anuses me that I'm being pedantic about a definition when it doesn't fit in with your narrative.

I plucked that definition from the internet as an independent source rather than use my interpretation to avoid exactly the claims you're trying to use against me.

Would suggest you provide an alternative definition of an interim manager if you don't like the one I found on the internet. 

Bet all you'll find is temporary

An interim manager in any employment field is a specialised role but the incumbents who take on this role sre under no illusion that by definition it is only temporary until they find another interim role and so on.

Not sure what else can add to this.

What narrative? The one where I'm saying that a fair and honest process has been followed?

All you've done there is doubled down on exactly what I've accused you of. 

That's if you can even call it an accusation at this point, when there's no much evidence that it's an accurate assessment 

The closest term when talking about football managers would be caretaker manager, and there are loads of examples in football of a caretaker manager ending up getting the job full time. The Wikipedia page defining a caretaker manager in football even states 'a caretaker manager or interim manager....'  so clearly there's some level of interchangeability there 

...but in this instance we decided to use the term interim, which you've decided means that there should have been no expectation or hope that it could become permanent, which gives you an excuse to be obtuse, as usual 

[IlsonDerby]

46 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

They didn't have to say he was interim as that was his job title when he accepted the interim managers role. 

So if Rosenoir was under some misunderstanding that he was employed as our permanent manager when his job title was always interim then I don't believe he's that slow on the uptake. 

Of course he was a dead man walking - that's the nature of interim employment - whether it be football or bank managers. 

I mean Clowes himself said it was a tough decision to not give Liam the permanent role and he had interviewed for it so he was clearly a serious candidate. I don’t see why him being interim manager means he wasn’t a serious candidate for the job. 
 

The fella who’s been my interim boss at work is very very likely to be made my permanent boss. Not a dead man walking. Just taken the reigns until they knew for certain what was happening RE structuring…

[Tyler Durden]

2 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said:

 

What narrative? The one where I'm saying that a fair and honest process has been followed?

All you've done there is doubled down on exactly what I've accused you of. 

That's if you can even call it an accusation at this point, when there's no much evidence that it's an accurate assessment 

The closest term when talking about football managers would be caretaker manager, and there are loads of examples in football of a caretaker manager ending up getting the job full time. The Wikipedia page defining a caretaker manager in football even states 'a caretaker manager or interim manager....'  so clearly there's some level of interchangeability there 

...but in this instance we decided to use the term interim, which you've decided means that there should have been no expectation or hope that it could become permanent, which gives you an excuse to be obtuse, as usual 

I've left this here for you, from the club's official website.

Note that the club called Rosenoir an interim manager. Not a caretaker manager.

And the club gave Rosenoir this job title, which he accepted. Not me. Or you. But Rosenoirs employer. 

And I haven't decided anything, just like you could choose to do I've looked up the dictionary definition of the title interim manager which states temporary

https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2022/06/rosenior-appointed-interim-manager

 

[AndyinLiverpool]

Respecting the wishes of the owner is b*******

[May Contain Nuts]

8 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

I've left this here for you, from the club's official website.

Note that the club called Rosenoir an interim manager. Not a caretaker manager.

And the club gave Rosenoir this job title, which he accepted. Not me. Or you. But Rosenoirs employer. 

And I haven't decided anything, just like you could choose to do I've looked up the dictionary definition of the title interim manager which states temporary

 

https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2022/06/rosenior-appointed-interim-manager

 

...and yet the person who set that job title and appointed Rosenior to that role made it clear that he was in contention for the job full time.

Tripling down on your pedantry only continues to prove everything I said was correct.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Kokosnuss

[Tyler Durden]

1 minute ago, Kokosnuss said:

...and yet the person who set that job title and appointed Rosenior to that role made it clear that he was in contention for the job full time.

Tripling down on your pedantry only continues to prove everything I said was correct.

I don't get the conviction that you yourself even knows what you said anymore.

But if you're debating that Rosenoir wasn't employed as an interim manager which was my original point from the start then please provide me with some evidence to the contrary. 

I've given you a link from the official club website to say he was employed as an interim manager.

Waiting now for your evidence to disprove my point right from the start.

[May Contain Nuts]

23 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

I don't get the conviction that you yourself even knows what you said anymore.

But if you're debating that Rosenoir wasn't employed as an interim manager which was my original point from the start then please provide me with some evidence to the contrary. 

I've given you a link from the official club website to say he was employed as an interim manager.

Waiting now for your evidence to disprove my point right from the start.

I'm not arguing that he wasn't appointed interim manager. 🤣

I'm saying that strictly following the dictionary definition of the word interim to come to the conclusion that he was never under consideration to be taken on permanently is pedantic in the extreme, and is a notion which has been proven to be incorrect by virtue of statements made by the chairman of the club.

I've also said that I find a certain attitude on display (which you've disputed, but immediately displayed!), to be unnecessary. Nothing stronger than that.

I'd also suggest that the word interim has been used because the chairman's background in business has been entirely in the corporate world where interim would be in more common usage than caretaker, but that's mere supposition.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Kokosnuss

[Tyler Durden]

6 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said:

I'm not arguing that he wasn't appointed interim manager. 🤣

I'm saying that strictly following the dictionary definition of the word interim to come to the conclusion that he was never under consideration to be taken on permanently is pedantic in the extreme, and is a notion which has been proven to be incorrect by virtue of statements made by the chairman of the club.

I've also said that I find a certain attitude on display (which you've disputed, but immediately displayed!), to be unnecessary. Nothing stronger than that.

I'd also suggest that the word interim has been used because the chairman's background in business has been entirely in the corporate world where interim would be in more common usage than caretaker, but that's mere supposition.

So you agree Rosenoir was always an interim manager then.

And interim means temporary. 

Only took about two pages to get to the point that you agree with me 😅

[europia]

Significant improvement in performances, which would hopefully improve results. 

[May Contain Nuts]

20 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

So you agree Rosenoir was always an interim manager then.

And interim means temporary. 

Only took about two pages to get to the point that you agree with me 😅

At no point did I say that I disagreed with you, only your attitude. 

My post was made to point out the nuances of the situation, which I've achieved.

Along the way you've managed to achieve something too. That achievement may only be to highlight and prove the very things about your attitude about which I disagreed and found unnecessary,  but bravo all the same!

Edited September 25, 2023 by Kokosnuss

[Tyler Durden]

4 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said:

At no point did I say that I disagreed with you, only your attitude. 

My post was made to point out the nuances of the situation, which I've achieved.

Along the way you've managed to achieve something too. That achievement may only be to highlight and prove the very things about your attitude about which I disagreed and found unnecessary,  but bravo all the same!

You should have been on this forum long enough to know my attitude can be argumentative, dogmatic and you're correct, pedantic 🙂

[DCFC Kicks]

On 25/09/2023 at 13:20, Chris_Martin said:

The last regime being rosenior and rooney who got us playing decent stuff and fighting for everything on the pitch, whilst also creating a real unity in the squad. Warne has ruined the 'playing decent stuff' bit and we also seem worse in terms of fighting for everything and unity in the squad. I think the damage done by mel obviously has some affect in the background running of the club still, but nearly all the players are new and have no experience of those days. 

We showed promise when Rosenior was here on his own, but Rooney's football was even worse than Warne's at times.

[JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta]

On 25/09/2023 at 22:20, Kokosnuss said:

At no point did I say that I disagreed with you, only your attitude. 

My post was made to point out the nuances of the situation, which I've achieved.

Along the way you've managed to achieve something too. That achievement may only be to highlight and prove the very things about your attitude about which I disagreed and found unnecessary,  but bravo all the same!

 

On 25/09/2023 at 22:26, Tyler Durden said:

You should have been on this forum long enough to know my attitude can be argumentative, dogmatic and you're correct, pedantic 🙂

[Brammie Steve]

Clone from BrianClough’s DNA 🧬

Add a touch of Peter Taylor’s scouting ability.

Adde to Warne’s modesty and eye for a bargain we’d be squids in!……

Maybe!

[Jimbo Ram]

On 25/09/2023 at 21:15, Tyler Durden said:

I've left this here for you, from the club's official website.

Note that the club called Rosenoir an interim manager. Not a caretaker manager.

And the club gave Rosenoir this job title, which he accepted. Not me. Or you. But Rosenoirs employer. 

And I haven't decided anything, just like you could choose to do I've looked up the dictionary definition of the title interim manager which states temporary

 

https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2022/06/rosenior-appointed-interim-manager

 

I have noticed that you are pedantic at times. A while back you were keen to point out that the Radio Derby presenters wife was not losing her job, the position was becoming redundant. But it seems you fail to see that the result is the same. She was out of a job. The same applies to terminology. Interim Manager, Caretaker manager. The point is that regardless of titles, Liam was close to getting the job on a permanent basis after being interviewed for it. I was against the change at the time and still would rather have Liam in charge.

[Tyler Durden]

30 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

I have noticed that you are pedantic at times. A while back you were keen to point out that the Radio Derby presenters wife was not losing her job, the position was becoming redundant. But it seems you fail to see that the result is the same. She was out of a job. The same applies to terminology. Interim Manager, Caretaker manager. The point is that regardless of titles, Liam was close to getting the job on a permanent basis after being interviewed for it. I was against the change at the time and still would rather have Liam in charge.

Just to add some context to my first observation, I've been interviewed in the past for jobs after being made redundant from a role, it sticks in my mind one interviewer asking me why I had been selected for redundancy? I answered it was my role that was made redundant not myself which was 100% correct. 

The interviewer obviously wanted me to say well because I had lots of sick time off or my appraisals were poor etc etc. then I had been selected. Redundancy used to be stigmatised with the insinuation that because your position was made redundant then you were being selected for redundancy as you were crap at your job. Now it's seen as an occupational event.

Anyhows don't think we'll agree so there you have it, if I was nit picking forum members on their spelling, grammar or punctuation then absolutely you could accuse me of being pedantic.