Van der MoodHoover Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 According to kane and Maguire we weren't clinical enough, we had some good chances. Jesus, what are they on? Tamworthram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyBritishMidland Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 We’re too scared to lose. We have so much quality in attacking positions with Kane, Foden, Saka, Sterling, etc. Yet we play in a way that doesn’t get the best out of them consistently. It’s like Southgate is Clough and we need a McLaren to take the shackles off and let them play with freedom and be prepared to take risks. Henrycav81 and Carl Sagan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Southgate is just spouting nonsense. SKRam and Henrycav81 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Such lethargy. Very disappointing. But no one ever wins the World Cup by starting fabulously well and blowing all their group opposition away. Sadly, Southgate's attitude towards Foden and Alexander Arnold suggests we will remain too negative, and won't win the tournament despite the attacking talent at the manager's disposal. But I don't see us losing 4-0 to Wales, and qualifying is clearly the first objective. Almost accomplished. sheeponacid, Blondest Goat and FlyBritishMidland 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: I thought it got better when Henderson came on. He called for the ball, dropped to get it and demanded more movement. We definitely improved when Henderson came on. He actually showed some urgency. The way the rest of them were strolling around you’d have thought we were 3-0 up. Rammy03 and Crewton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, StaffsRam said: We definitely improved when Henderson came on. He actually showed some urgency. The way the rest of them were strolling around you’d have thought we were 3-0 up. Yes he played some lovely intricate sideways passes and looped a nice up and under into the box. Van der MoodHoover 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 That was awful, worst part was Kane Maguire and Southgate seemed happy … it was dreadful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Only Kane, Maguire and maybe Shaw came out of that well. Alph and Rev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, sage said: Only Kane, Maguire and maybe Shaw came out of that well. Finally, a decent comment on the game! Maguire did everything you'd want a centre half to do, and nothing you wouldn't. No one was exceptional tonight, but that was Trippiers second poor game in a row, the rest at least have a decent performance in the bank. sage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 I didn’t watch it but stats suggest the US gave England a decent game. I’m not surprised. They aren’t a bad side. I don’t think England have ever won all three group games during my lifetime. And past winners France, Germany and Spain didn’t either. The true tests lie ahead in the knockout rounds. We play a demoralized Wales in our last game knowing a win sees us top the group. Gritstone Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavesaRam Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) Well the World cup simply hasn't gripped me at all this year, but decided to take a look tonight once the programme Veronica was watching came to an end. There was a clash, so I clicked onto to ITV1 + 1. After apparently being quick and flowing in the first game, I noticed that the first 5 minutes consisted of Chuckle Brothers football played entirely by the cast of the England defence. This was a game where we should have given it a right good go for the opening 10 or 20 minutes to make sure the USA didn't settle into their game. Instead we got out the travel rug and cocoa and said "Here you are , America, make yourself at home". After 35 minutes I switched over to the uncensored, full adult content ITV 1 and found that I hadn't missed a thing! Typified by a great though ball for Rashford to run onto and belt with all he's got --- GOAL!!!!! But he turned back and gently lobbed the ball into the ever grateful arms of the keeper. My grandad could have done better. In fact I'm a grandad, and I could have done better, and I'm a 65 yar old short fat bloke! All I can say is thank goodness we've got rid of Rosenior from Derby! Edited November 25, 2022 by DavesaRam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: I didn’t watch it but stats suggest the US gave England a decent game. I’m not surprised. They aren’t a bad side. I don’t think England have ever won all three group games during my lifetime. And past winners France, Germany and Spain didn’t either. The true tests lie ahead in the knockout rounds. We play a demoralized Wales in our last game knowing a win sees us top the group. Wales will be up for this game, if the other game ends in a draw, any victory will send Wales through. SKRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, ram59 said: Wales will be up for this game, if the other game ends in a draw, any victory will send Wales through. Wouldn’t Wales also go through if the US beat Iran? Or if Iran beat the US? With Wales then having a better H2H than England? If Wales win and Iran and US draw, it would see England, Wales and Iran all on 4 points and US bottom on 3. In that scenario I guess it would go down on GD which currently has England +4 and both Wales and Iran on -2. A Wales win and Iran draw sees Wales with a better GD. So if all that is correct, then actually a Wales win guarantees them qualification. Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Today's results leave the every team with a change of going through to the round of 16. So the last game could well get a bit heated, with both sides allowing their emotions to get the better of them. The Iranians and Yanks could easily see a few red cards. As for the other game the Welsh will be well up for it. They still have a chance of qualifying, they'll want to put in a better performance than today's and their biggest incentive is that it's against England. If England show the same lack of passion against the Welsh as they did tonight, then I can't see us getting away with another nil nil. The only thing saving Southgate is our goal difference. So I wouldn't be surprised to see him go full negative mode with a back five and two sitting midfield players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 I think the FA as the country that gave the world the game of football should stand up to FIFA and get the corrupt barstools out of the game and set up a new association. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 minute ago, 1of4 said: Today's results leave the every team with a change of going through to the round of 16. So the last game could well get a bit heated, with both sides allowing their emotions to get the better of them. The Iranians and Yanks could easily see a few red cards. As for the other game the Welsh will be well up for it. They still have a chance of qualifying, they'll want to put in a better performance than today's and their biggest incentive is that it's against England. If England show the same lack of passion against the Welsh as they did tonight, then I can't see us getting away with another nil nil. The only thing saving Southgate is our goal difference. So I wouldn't be surprised to see him go full negative mode with a back five and two sitting midfield players. Good grief I can’t wait! ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondest Goat Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 We can lose by 3 goals and still go through. They clearly knew a 0 0 would leave us in that position. Very poor performance though. SKRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Wouldn’t Wales also go through if the US beat Iran? Or if Iran beat the US? With Wales then having a better H2H than England? If Wales win and Iran and US draw, it would see England, Wales and Iran all on 4 points and US bottom on 3. In that scenario I guess it would go down on GD which currently has England +4 and both Wales and Iran on -2. A Wales win and Iran draw sees Wales with a better GD. So if all that is correct, then actually a Wales win guarantees them qualification. Bizarre. The head-to-head record is unlikely to matter in that the order is: Most points Goal difference Goals scored H2H Fair play record Drawing lots Wales start on -2 and England on +4, but England have scored more, so I think this means: If America and Iran draw then Iran have 4 pts and -2, so Wales just have to beat England to qualify. England would still qualify if not losing by more than 5 as that would take our goal difference to -1. If Iran beat America then Iran move to 6 pts and out of Wales' reach, so they need to beat England by 4 goals to overtake England because of goals scored. It America beat Iran then America move to 5 points, so Wales would again have to beat England by 4 goals. Bris Vegas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 hours ago, GenBr said: Not one of his golden boys. No reason why the likes of stirling or Maguire should be playing, but doesnt stop Gareth picking them. Grealish and Foden should both be starting Foden’s our best player imho Must start Sterling/Kane is a hopeless combo RoyMac5, Gritstone Ram and GenBr 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Watched the game at home and 9% of the gas was probably supplied from Qatar and most likely some of the electricity went their way too. God help me I should refuse to watch this but I want to watch England so I’m prepared to overlook all the discrimination etc like everyone else. If it means my energy bills will be lower bring it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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