I’ve enough of football.

[TimRam]

Same top lot in premiership and same watered down european games. With the same teams. Repeat for years to come.

[DCFC Kicks]

 

[TigerTedd]

The problem is the FA and other custodians of the game measure success based on how much money they’re bringing into the game. And based on that metric, they’re doing a terrific job.

But football is a sport, not a business model. It’s about entertainment, competition, rivalry, tribalism, pride.

When you buy a football club, or run the game, with the sole intention to make money, you’re missing the point. 

Sport is similar to art, a painter doesn’t paint a picture to get rich, and the art lived doesn’t live it cos it’s expensive. When you commercialise art, it’s stops being art. It become a facsimile of art. A simulation.

it’s the same with sport. When you commercialise it, it’s not sport any more, it’s not about the competition, it’s about the bank balance. 

[curb]

2 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

I think it's away at Chelsea

Also on this sound effects home to Arsenal in 1973- eerily similar

https://www.discogs.com/release/2937697-No-Artist-Sound-Effects-No-9/image/SW1hZ2U6MTA4NzMzNDY=

I realised while walking to the match that they’d already split up by Plymouth away, so couldn’t have been that one unless they had a time machine.

[Raminphilippines]

I have been thinking for a few weeks the way to go might be a Phoenix League not just a Phoenix Club, A League that takes football back to its roots, where clubs only can play players from their own region. It would create more local interest and stop big transfers and salaries. 

 

[Highgate]

Would a salary cap in the Premier League help?   The thing is ....all the major European Leagues would have to do this together for it to be effective. 

[TheresOnlyWanChope]

5 minutes ago, Highgate said:

Would a salary cap in the Premier League help?   The thing is ....all the major European Leagues would have to do this together for it to be effective. 

There will be no chance of that. 

[Steadybreeze]

4 hours ago, Unlucky Alf said:

I'm an old timer, Been there seen it and it was GREAT 1965/66 onwards, I'm lucky than a lot on here, Covid was the catalyst for me, Missed my mates, Mother passed from Covid, Brother passed last year, I found running is a great escape from todays shyte, Football was an outlet, Not anymore, Sky I have until I move next month but rarely watch football now, Then Sky gets cancelled, If I want to watch a live game, Then i'll mooth on down to PP and buy a ticket, A live game on Sky I can pick up in a pub not to far away.

Belper Town FC will see a lot more of me, It's a good day out, Yes football is not what it was for me And thouroughly understand why people still want to go, It's very hard to break that habit/loyalty

Similar to my feelings. Spent the day walking in the sunshine. Racked up 13+ miles, wasn't too bothered when I got a notice saying Cov had scored and same when we equalised. It's a shame really but most mates have stopped going which doesn't help things. I felt like this briefly after Jim Smith and got it back again but I'm older and wiser now. I toyed with the idea of watching a few Alfreton town games but can't face singing "Come on you reds" and they are terrible at the minute as well

[Ram-Alf]

18 minutes ago, Highgate said:

Would a salary cap in the Premier League help?   The thing is ....all the major European Leagues would have to do this together for it to be effective. 

No!, Players are free to sell their skills, The agents are free to negociate their wages, The owners are free to accept or not on what they spend, The rich get richer...the others..."let them eat grass"/

The European Super League has not gone away, They'll be a breakaway of ex amount of teams in Europoe that will play in their own league.

[Highgate]

13 minutes ago, TheresOnlyWanChope said:

There will be no chance of that. 

At the end of the day, the power in football lies with the fans.  Even more so than with the players...and it's definitely not with the owners, whose football assets are worth nothing without the loyalty of the fans.  The problem is we are all too busy being consumers of football to worry about what's actually good for the game and work collectively.  We could do such things if we really wanted to..but yeah it seems like a million miles away at the moment.

Clubs should be fan owned for a start, the rich owner model is patently ridiculous and helping destroy club football as a competitive sport. Not that being fan owned will prevent clubs being badly run...but it's a start.

One thing is for sure...club football can't keep going like it is or eventually there will be some sort of grassroots revolution.  The showpiece occasion of club football, the Champions League Final, was not really Chelsea vs Man City last year, it was.

Sheikh Mansour vs Roman Abramovich

And their respective billions.  What a shallow and pointless occasion it was.  Something has to change.

[B4ev6is]

6 hours ago, 24Charlie said:

I can’t be bothered to go today. Or anymore for that matter. Football is lost to me. 
We anxiously wait for some rich person to bail us out. These person/persons have a plan involving making money. But no interest in Derby. At least Mel had a dream. He followed it and so did we. We could have made it. But didn’t.

But make what exactly? Joining a league of Rich men’s playthings. 
 

Billionaires are queuing up to buy Chelsea. Sky are more interested in a subscription from someone in South Korea than a season ticket holder in Southampton.

It not our game anymore, where just there for the sound effects.

Football sucks.

 

 

Come on matey club needs you dont turn your back on derby now lads need us more than ever ever before.

[The Key Club King]

I'm not sure this would be a thread if we were at the other end of the league. Football is only broken if your team isn't winning. 

[Yani P]

48 minutes ago, TheresOnlyWanChope said:

There will be no chance of that. 

I think even less chance than that ?

[DCFC Kicks]

9 minutes ago, Highgate said:

One thing is for sure...club football can't keep going like it is or eventually there will be some sort of grassroots revolution.  

A grassroots revolution would have no impact what so ever. Do you really think the PL cares at all about clubs local communities and whether they attend games or not? They care more about the Chinese audience because that's where the money is.

Just look at American sports like the NFL because that's the way English football is heading. Where clubs severe all ties to their local city and become franchises, sometimes even relocating entirely. 

Within 5 years we'll probably see Man City play a PL game in Abu Dhabi or Man Utd play one in Florida, if the Super League hasn't been resurrected by then. Why would anyone from Manchester feel any connection to these clubs in any way?

[GboroRam]

I think partly why it's so demoralising. We've just had red nose day, where a concerted effort across the whole country has raised £40m. Including all the luvvies, the might of the BBC, and pretty much every school up and down the country. 

Mel Morris has pissed that, plus more, up the wall. That's how reckless he was. 

And you look at Chelsea, and we're not even big money news. Football is a mess from top to bottom, and all we want is another billionaire to bail us out and continue this farcical situation. 

[TigerTedd]

1 hour ago, Raminphilippines said:

I have been thinking for a few weeks the way to go might be a Phoenix League not just a Phoenix Club, A League that takes football back to its roots, where clubs only can play players from their own region. It would create more local interest and stop big transfers and salaries. 

 

I’ve often thought that would be nice. But I’m not sure it’s practical. Just like national teams, where do you draw the line of someone being local. Can they have lived there for several years, can their grandma be from the place. Transfers have been around since literally the beginning when these Scottish lads were poached by one of the first football clubs (can’t remember the name, but it was on that series on prime or Netflix).

but I can eventually see something like a rugby league va rugby Union breakaway. I’ve never really understood the difference, but my impression is that one is very much all about the super league and the razzamataz, and one is more for the purists. 

[DerbyRam!]

3 hours ago, DCFC Kicks said:

 

He should do the weekend review of football ?

[scout's dad]

1 hour ago, Highgate said:

Would a salary cap in the Premier League help?   The thing is ....all the major European Leagues would have to do this together for it to be effective. 

[TigerTedd]

1 minute ago, GboroRam said:

I think partly why it's so demoralising. We've just had red nose day, where a concerted effort across the whole country has raised £40m. Including all the luvvies, the might of the BBC, and pretty much every school up and down the country. 

Mel Morris has pissed that, plus more, up the wall. That's how reckless he was. 

And you look at Chelsea, and we're not even big money news. Football is a mess from top to bottom, and all we want is another billionaire to bail us out and continue this farcical situation. 

I’ve said it before and I’ll keep banging this drum (because I know you’re the guy that can do something about it). Every club should be given the same set budget, to spend as they choose, based on the smallest clubs budget. Any extra money they make on top of that budget should be put back into the community or the academy. They should be publicly owned by the community, and ran as a not for profit. 

Most football clubs would make a lot, lot more money than comic relief each year. Imagine the good that could be done. 

[The Scarlet Pimpernel]

Things change. Good times and bad times.... I will always support Derby.