RoyMac5 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: You and I both know that Gibson’s intention was to ensure we were seriously damaged. Which is why he held out until after the window closed. Bye bye Jags. So I’ll repeat it: Singing the ‘we can stay up’ refrain at the top of his voice was not smart. That’s my only point Roy He held out until after the March when Morris finally decided to help us. GB SPORTS and vonwright 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodypecker Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: You and I both know that Gibson’s intention was to ensure we were seriously damaged. Which is why he held out until after the window closed. Bye bye Jags. So I’ll repeat it: Singing the ‘we can stay up’ refrain at the top of his voice was not smart. That’s my only point Roy 'Not smart' in that way (allegedly provoking Gibson) doesn't mean not good overall - we were playing well and in with a chance of survival....was Rooney supposed to publicly bemoan our fate and say 'We're ducked', like Paul Jewell did? Wayne's spirit of defiance transferred to players and fans. IMHO, the EFL wanted 'assured relegation' anyway and engineered the January player exodus / sustained embargo, this after blocking Q from naming a PB when EFL cronies doggedly elected to ignore the issue of parasite creditor status, nixing any takeover. So after the EFL spun out the calendar, they now finally realise it's 11.59 pm, and decide to intervene. Bucket-load of shyte. LERam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ram Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: You don't know that. If the EFL hadn't decided to block the cross class cram it wouldn't have mattered. Or if Mel had dealt with it sooner. There was no way they were ever going to agree to that though. It would have meant (by default) taking the side of one member club against another . They would have put themselves at the risk of legal action if they had. Can't really understand why Quantuma ever thought it was a viable option. Their cross class cram proposal complied with general UK insolvency law (due to the 2020 changes) but seemingly failed to take into account the football-specific reqiurements i.e. the EFL insolvency policy, which was just as important in the context of Derby County. The impression created is that they hadn't kept one of their key stakeholders (the EFL) informed of what they were intending and were consequently completely shocked when the EFL inevitably said there's no way you can keep your golden share if you pursue that course of action. Ian Redfern from Black and White Together summarised this very well at the time https://www.dcfcbawt.org/post/efl-quantuma-s-position-here-s-bawt-s-ian-redfern-s-view Edited June 16, 2022 by Red Ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 The start of probably a pretty depressing few weeks of players leaving, can’t blame them, glad we wasted 2 months on an American fraud jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottmRAM Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 50 minutes ago, TexasRam said: Another one gone ? Allsop to Cardiff What a shambles. I'm starting to worry that if many more players leave, Rooney will too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: He held out until after the March when Morris finally decided to help us. Quite so, March follows January (February is in between) Phew we can move on. What are you having for tea ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyRevolution Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, NottmRAM said: What a shambles. I'm starting to worry that if many more players leave, Rooney will too. If Rooney went in the next week or so would any of the bidders follow suit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Just now, kevinhectoring said: Quite so, March follows January (February is in between) Phew we can move on. What are you having for tea ? Oh sorry I wasn't really taking any notice of what you were writing as I think the idea of Rooney 'giving up' was utter nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Hopefully the current bidders “offering less” than Kirchner just involves them paying 25% up front rather than 35% over three years. Don’t want to fail to make that level and end up with yet another 15 point deduction. League One is one thing, but League Two would kill us off. Rammy03, NottmRAM and r_wilcockson 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Oh sorry I wasn't really taking any notice of what you were writing as I think the idea of Rooney 'giving up' was utter nonsense. I don't think that 'giving up' is a phrase in Rooney's lexicon. Phoenix, RoyMac5, Ted McMinn Football Genius and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 13 minutes ago, Topram said: The start of probably a pretty depressing few weeks of players leaving, can’t blame them, glad we wasted 2 months on an American fraud the fact that NOBODY has had a bid accepted since Kirchner pulled out suggests it was not 2 months wasted time. It was wasted hope, but the fact that nothing has happened since has proven no time was lost/wasted. Hanny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Just now, Mostyn6 said: the fact that NOBODY has had a bid accepted since Kirchner pulled out suggests it was not 2 months wasted time. It was wasted hope, but the fact that nothing has happened since has proven no time was lost/wasted. Not sure how you come to that conclusion. It was undoubtedly wasted time, as the time we could have spent getting a deal over the line with a credible buyer was wasted on crypto boy. The fact that buyers haven't had a bid accepted as of yet doesn't mean that those precious 2 months weren't completely and utterly wasted. DerbyRevolution, r_wilcockson, hintonsboots and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Just now, Mostyn6 said: the fact that NOBODY has had a bid accepted since Kirchner pulled out suggests it was not 2 months wasted time. It was wasted hope, but the fact that nothing has happened since has proven no time was lost/wasted. But at least one bid has gone in, less than a week after CK's bid was withdrawn. The time was wasted, other bidders could have offered low bids to let Q know they were expecting too much for no assets. Topram, r_wilcockson and Red Ram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Red Ram said: There was no way they were ever going to agree to that though. It would have meant (by default) taking the side of one member club against another . They would have put themselves at the risk of legal action if they had. Can't really understand why Quantuma ever thought it was a viable option. Their cross class cram proposal complied with general UK insolvency law (due to the 2020 changes) but seemingly failed to take into account the football-specific reqiurements i.e. the EFL insolvency policy, which was just as important in the context of Derby County. The impression created is that they hadn't kept one of their key stakeholders (the EFL) informed of what they were intending and were consequently completely shocked when the EFL inevitably said there's no way you can keep your golden share if you pursue that course of action. Ian Redfern from Black and White Together summarised this very well at the time https://www.dcfcbawt.org/post/efl-quantuma-s-position-here-s-bawt-s-ian-redfern-s-view Legally they had no choice though, if we accept Quantuma's claim that they had had legal advice that the claims were meritless. If they'd agreed to settle, and paid the £3m that Morris has apparently agreed to pay 'Boro, then that would have come out of the settlement that HMRC etc would receive, and HMRC would be quite within their rights to refuse to accept that. Likewise if Quantuma had used club funds defending those claims at a tribunal. Edited June 16, 2022 by duncanjwitham May Contain Nuts and FlyBritishMidland 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eatonram Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 I wonder if the EFL ever question if their punishment of a Club and its supporters for the financial mismanagement of a previous owner is actually reasonable, particularly as it is possibly so severe as to actually kill the Club but the transgressor is in no way affected. RoyMac5, Sparkle, Woodypecker and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: the fact that NOBODY has had a bid accepted since Kirchner pulled out suggests it was not 2 months wasted time. It was wasted hope, but the fact that nothing has happened since has proven no time was lost/wasted. Whilst we wasted 2 months on him no one else could make a bid due to exclusivity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldben Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/derby-county-revelation-emerges-on-alternative-bidders-following-chris-kirchners-withdrawal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBX1985 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, DerbyRevolution said: If Rooney went in the next week or so would any of the bidders follow suit? He'e expensive. Probably the reverse - as would bring more money in, reduce costs... and wouldn't have fans furious first choice taken was to allow him to depart. Ramarena 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 24 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Oh sorry I wasn't really taking any notice of what you were writing as I think the idea of Rooney 'giving up' was utter nonsense. It’s like playing whack-a-mole, trying to debate with you. Thin air once again and I’ve lost my shilling RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 23 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said: a deal over the line with a credible buyer was wasted on crypto boy. Luv it . Leeds Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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