CornwallRam

I hope he's back at Pride Park soon with his new club and we can all give him a standing ovation - he's a class act. 

I keep reading that we need stability. I also keep reading that a 4 year deal is risky. 

To me, it looks like David Clowes has taken time to decide exactly what needs to be done and has moved decisively to achieve it. Whether it's the right decision, only time will. If Warne turns out to be a great manager, we will be brilliantly stable. If not, then hopefully Clowes will be the one footing the bill...unlike a certain business ambassador. 

Having listened to the Rotherham people talk about Warne, he sounds like Nigel Clough.

If that's true, this all makes perfect sense. David Clowes wants stability and to build the club sustainably. The key to that is to get the right manager who will make decisions for the long term. 

I think Liam would also fall into that category, the difference is that Warne has a track record and Liam doesn't, so it's more likely that Warne will get the decisions right. I suspect that Clowes sees this appointment as a long term one.

Of course, nothing is ever guaranteed, but with this context, the decision appears logical.

10 minutes ago, RAM1966 said:

From Mr Giddypant RUFC Forum

I was going to post this on the Derby forum, but couldn't be arsed.

I have been supporting Rotherham since 1958. I'm devastated if this is fact, and increasingly it's looking likely. Few of you have done your homework. You share the (previously correct) impression that we are a long-ball team with limited ability to play 'proper' football.

Many of you have voiced doubts that Warney could make best use of your 'talented' team. Fear not. Warney has proved himself adept at utilising the talents of his players. His ambitions have been limited by the resources available to him, not by an ideological devotion to a 'hit and hope' philosophy.

This year we have recruited players who add to the pool of talent we had last year. Except for Warney's first year in the job we have seen a progressive development in terms of player recruitment and positive achievements on, and off, the field.

As a man manager I doubt there are few better at this level. He has personalty and wit. I love the man and what he has done for my club.

Think yourselves lucky.

Feel free to copy and paste.

PS, with any luck he'll be sacked within the year and come back 'home'.

Thats sounds to me the sort of thing I'd love to hear from the Rotherham fans....

 

I am very far from a football purist. Indeed, I struggle with the idea that possession based tedium is good football whilst direct, attacking tactics are some kind of monstrosity. 

But I don't get the argument that a manager only plays direct football through lack of resources and will miraculously turn into Asene Wenger with better quality players. Surely, a manager has a basic philosophy which has brought them to the point where a 'bigger' (no slight at Rotherham - my Dad had a season there and I've always had a soft spot for them) club targets them? What makes anyone think that Warne would be successful if he manages in a completely different way? 

Nigel Pearson puts his failure here down to trying not to change things too much and ending up being Pearson lite...which was a disaster for everyone. If Warne joins, he needs to be his own man, even if the purists object to some actual excitement. 

I was told on Saturday that Rosenior was off to Brighton as coach or assistant manager. I took it with a huge pinch of salt at the time. 

In the same conversation, I was also told that David Clowes is about to sell to Mike Ashley. I also didn't take that seriously. 

Looks like I forgot the golden rule - we're Derby County, so the normal rules of probability just don't apply.

1 minute ago, duncanjwitham said:

But we’ve let him sign like a dozen players with his style in mind, and I’m pretty sure we all expected them to carry on with a similar style to last season, so it can’t have been a surprise.

And it’s not just the first team, the academy is supposed to be playing a broadly similar style so there’s a pathway straight through.  Is there any point in developing players like Liam Thompson and Darren Robinson if we appoint a manager that just wants to hoof it?

I agree that it doesn't make much sense that Rosenior led the rebuild, but maybe it was Hobson's choice?

I'd argue that the majority of our squad are better suited to a more direct style. I think the academy argument is spurious as it has been decimated anyway. 

We're all fickle anyway. If Warne gets us double promotions playing hoofball, we'll all be singing his praises. If we're still mid table next season, the majority will say they always hated the style. If we're in League 2 it will be Clowes the clown.

11 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said:

For me anyway, it’s not so much about Rosenior being sacked as the guy apparently replacing him.  IMO the root of all of the problems under Mel Morris was lurching between managers of differing styles every 5 minutes.  On the surface, it appears like we’re making exactly the same mistake again, barely a few months into Clowes ownership.

And if Warne is being bought in to play a complete different style to what he did at Rotherham, then that’s equally baffling.  Why appoint a manager in the expectation he’ll do the exact opposite of what he did at his previous club?

Maybe the thinking is that Rosenior's style is not what we're aiming for so replacing him before it is entrenched is essential. It's a new squad and it could be that Warne's is the new Derby County style and subsequent managers will play that way.  

Gobsmacked. My feeling was that Rosenior's style is too nice for League 1, but I'm amazed that he hasn't been given the chance to prove me wrong.

It's been a steady start to the season, from a ludicrously difficult position. Regardless of style, Liam has done pretty well up to now.

Something odd must have happened.

For the last decade, we've pretty much played with a lone striker upfront.

In my world, that's been our main issue.

OK, when we've had players like Russell, Ward, Bryson, Ince, Wilson and Mount playing off that striker we've looked pretty good at times. However, I still think it limits the way we can play. We're always outnumbered on the box, so crosses are less effective. When we break, there's often no one for the striker to pass to. There's so rarely a scope for clever and quick passes in the opositions box.

The problem is though, that's where my thought process is and it's probably wrong. For so few teams to still play with two strikers, there must be some pretty strong evidence to say that a lone striker works better. The analysts must know far more than me. I'd love to see us play 352 or 442 at a push...but logically, it's probably better that we don't. 

I can't believe that the club are even contemplating going ahead with this fixture. We have a moral obligation to show our deep felt and serious respects for both the late Queen and the King. We should also not be adding to the burden of our police forces during this momentous time. Come on Mr Clowes, make the right call and postpone.

 

It has absolutely nothing to do with my wife having a family event in Birmingham next Saturday and me facing the choice of missing the game or having a week or so in the doghouse. 

1 hour ago, roboto said:

Collins was still up top when Sibley came on, then Osula came on to replace Collins a little while later.

The substitutions weren’t great but I don’t think we can let Sibley off the hook because of formation. McGoldrick was simply much more effective today and we lost control of the midfield when he went off. Sibley should’ve been an outlet for the midfield, but was ineffective once again.

Thompson had a nightmare and I feel that Rooney is currently a better option for DM cover on current form as well as being more imposing physically.

Those first two subs (Sibley and Thompson) were the turning point in my opinion.

Sibley was pushed wide left, so he was completely ineffective. I suspect that if he'd been brought on as a direct replacement for McGoldrick in the centre, he'd have been far more useful. 

The subs weakened the flanks. They then played triangles round our midfield and we had no answer. It wasn't the players that came on, it was the positions they were played in. 

Although we weren't dominant before the subs, we were competitive. Afterwards, we were just poor.

6 hours ago, Srg said:

Sort of. Think he can play centrally as well as either side. When NML was missing at the weekend we didn’t have a player on the bench to bring on out wide, could see depth was nowhere. 

The odd thing about this one though is if we are expecting 2 signings which are supposedly a striker and a right back, according to Derbyshire Live… then where does this fit? Would this be a third? If so, that says only one of the the striker or right back can be a loan, because you can only have 5. 

There appears to be quite a few striker options who are currently unattached. If we're going for one of them, the transfer deadline and loan limit is irrelevant.  Quite possible that we'll see Haigh and a right back today and a striker next week.

I wonder how things will work out with Collins? At present, he looks like he could go for another hundred games without scoring.

You can't fault his effort. Indeed he clearly wants to score and is doing everything he can to make it happen. He visibly tenses as soon as he goes into the box. As the cliche states, he's trying too hard.

His past record suggests that he is more than capable of scoring goals at this level. The problem is that the manager can only afford to give him a certain amount of before dropping him. Once that happens, it's possible that he might never get the game time to play himself back into form.

In his favour is that results have been good, even with a misfiring centre-forward. For now, Rosenior has the luxury of not needing to drop Collins. However,  Collins needs his form to pick before we hit a sticky patch or he'll just be a low rent Derek Hales.

2 hours ago, Mucker1884 said:

 

 

Sshhh, I was hoping that no one had noticed. That’s what happens when you skim read ?

47 minutes ago, Norwichram2 said:

I've just tried to purchase and it says not available in this location. I know Norwich is remote but....

Only the East Stand is open

14 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

More concerned about outgoings.  Can see us losing a Knight or Sibley late on and a striker or right back of a 'certain value' being part of a deal .  We can't spend money but can probably do this if an offers good enough.  Be some old fart with 10 goals left in them whose 'averaged 20 goals a season over his career' but just 20 in the last 4 years.  You know it's coming. 

Unless I've misunderstood things, we have a wage cap and can't pay transfer or loan fees. The wage cap will be set to bring the club into profit on a conservative estimation of turnover. I doubt that estimation would have included the excellent attendances that we have had so far. It certainly won't have included a lucrative trip to Anfield. We absolutely must be running at a profit.

I believe that the business plan restrictions are set for at least this season and maybe even next. Therefore, whatever transfer fees we make won't actually help anything other than the balance sheet. We could get £20m for Knight and not be able to spend a penny of it - although Mr Clowes might get a well deserved dividend. The only way I can see us selling  any first team player is if they are desperate to leave - unless there's some sort of swap deal available (if that's even allowed).

42 minutes ago, Fraser_23 said:

 

This may be the senior striker ? 

 

So we're going to test their resolve by making an offer of zero pounds?

I think I may have spotted an issue with this story.

 

 

Loved that; tenacity and entertainment. Every player contributed. It struck me that our team tonight cost an undisclosed fee thought to be £150,000 nine years ago. We deservedly beat a yo-yo team costing tens of millions. 

Some random player thoughts - McGoldrick is very efficient. For 90% of the time he barely manages a jog. But when he can make a difference he suddenly comes alive. He looks like a very smart player to me.

Sibley looks very sharp and motivated. I can't see how he can be dropped for Saturday.  

Oduroh was defensively superb. OK, he did nothing going forward other than sensible passes into midfield, but as a defensive full back he was brilliant. He fought for every ball and tackled and harried like a veteran. Even when he misjudged the flight or Git on the wrong side, within a second, he'd got back at the attacker. No West Brom player got any time on the ball when they were close to him. It was almost odd to see a full back busting a gut to stop crosses coming over.

I'm really looking forward to Saturday now.

I don't think closing the West Stand and not reserving seats for STH is a good idea - OK, I'm biased because I'm being forced to rough it in the East Stand. 

The majority of our crowds are season ticket holders and so much of our match day experience is sitting with a group of mates. It's putting a barrier in the way that doesn't need to be there.

53 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

Agreed... but only if they can be bothered to take things that far.

I'd imagine taking "A few hundred" to court "en masse" to be very worthwhile for them, both from a financial point of view, and also to get the message across to others/in future?  ?‍♂️

My understanding is that to enforce a parking charge through the courts, they have to be able to show that they have materially lost out by you parking there. That actually makes most of these things unenforceable. 

The problem is though, unauthorised match day parking could easily prevent customers parking there and thus affect Costco's footfall. Costco could show that they have lost out quite easily, so I reckon they (Parking Eye) would win these cases.

I couldn't get to the game or even listen as I was travelling back from Cornwall. I can't comment on the game, but the result is excellent - I'm truly amazed that any Rams fan isn't feeling delighted with how the season has started.

We're through to the second round of the League Cup and sitting 7th in the league. This is with a scratch squad, pulled together on a shoestring by a rookie manager.

Given that we were close to losing our club a few weeks ago, this is dreamland for me. Our players haven’t yet gelled and they are still not fit. The players will get better. Rosenior is on a learning curve and his inevitable early mistakes are likely to get fewer as the season progresses. 

We're doing well and very likely to do even better. We all need a little early patience...but the signs so far are very encouraging. 

17 hours ago, Chester40 said:

Things I enjoyed...

Genuine fan with decades of supporting the team 

Nice hint of a Derby accent

Spoke well of Mel's 'team'

Didn't criticise Kirchner

Talked about how emotional he was at buying the club

Really creating a decent relationship with the EFL

Gave credit to Lionel 

Didn't promise anything but talked about progress and stability. 

 

Not much more you could ask for. Hope he stay fairly quiet and enjoy the ride back to the top!

Just for balance, here is a list of the poor things about that interview:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought Mendez Laing's performance was the most thought provoking. His effort, strength and running were brilliant. Yet his crossing rarely went with 5 yards of a Derby player. 

I wonder if that's the flaw in his game - everything else looks Premier League standard. If his accuracy improves, he'll destroy teams in this division. I'm really hoping his wayward crossing was either not yet having an understanding with his team mates or just being a bit rusty. Really excited to see how he develops. 

I also think it didn't help that Collins was very rarely in position to get on the end of crosses. If I were Rosenior, I would instruct him to remain central. 

Early days, but when you look at the context, yesterday was very promising. 

I still can't work out whether I love or hate the home shirt. 

I suppose that this is what you get when accountants have to approve artistic things...somehow it manages to be quirky and mundane all at the same time.

The main point is that I'm going to watch a team wearing it tomorrow...which is brilliant, given where we were a few weeks ago.