Eatonram

3.5  No Club, either by itself, its servants or agents, shall by any means whatsoever unfairly criticise, disparage, belittle or discredit any other Club or The League or in either case any of its directors, officers, employees or agents.

From the EFL rule book. I await the EFLs action against Wycombe for their remarks today. (I won't hold me breath)

21 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

We have had many months to update them and the revised accounts must now exist. Maybe we’re holding on to them because we don’t want EFL to rush through another charge before next season 

TBH even if the accounts were within P And S limits I think I would wait till the very last minute.

Really well put Gladysboots.

7 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said:

What a bloody good post and idea 

can we make this happen ? 

Even better if you make it an open letter copied to the media and accompanied with a 100k cheque. We just need a coordinating organisation. 

I would be amazed if one club defaming another club is not itself a breach of EFL rules. If not it should be. 

16 hours ago, Eatonram said:

If 4000 supporters donate the price of one match ticket £25 we would raise the 100k. I would gladly do it. Think it would say a lot and raise a lot of positive publicity if paid with an open letter to the press stating our disgust at the way the efl are behaving. Any money raised over the target sum to be donated to breast and prostrate cancer research. I would gladly pay. 

This seemed to get at least a bit of support in principle. Would for example Rams Trust pick this up? Needs an organisation with existing banking facilities and contacts in the media. If it got going my money would be there before the end of the day. Even if it fails the money could go to the charities named and would still be a positive story where the EFL could be named and shamed. 

We need the DC full conclusions ASAP. It will tell us far more than we know now about what is likely over the next few weeks. Any one any idea how  long after the initial announcements before we get the report?

4 minutes ago, Spanish said:

If we had been truthful in explaining the methodology in the accounts I don’t think the efl would have a leg to stand on.  Not aimed at you but blaming efl, Gibbo, Wycombe etc is like having a car accident and immediately looking to blame someone else.  We are the architects of this mess

yes but at the end of the day it is just a different but legal accountancy practice. The EFL could have intervened much much earlier and the question is now surely about a proportionate sanction. Personally I feel the DC has come up with exactly that, but it looks likely that the EFL will not let it lie and do not recognise that they themselves have played no small part in the problem.

If 4000 supporters donate the price of one match ticket £25 we would raise the 100k. I would gladly do it. Think it would say a lot and raise a lot of positive publicity if paid with an open letter to the press stating our disgust at the way the efl are behaving. Any money raised over the target sum to be donated to breast and prostrate cancer research. I would gladly pay. 

1 hour ago, Spanish said:

all they had to do was properly disclose the method in the audited statements, they didn't

Fair enough and that is why the current suggested punishment fits that oversight. The EFL could Zalsohave accepted this and then looked at the revised accounts if they wanted another bite at the cherry.

Absolutely no mention of alternative fixtures. All sounds very upbeat and confident.

Imagine Autumn 1972, Derby about to play Benfica, you approach from Osmaston Road, up to Shaftsbury Crescent, you take the slight brow of the hill and walk down towards the BBG, the days when the houses were only 30 feet from the ABC stand, there are so many people swirling and jostling to get to their part of the ground you can hardly move, it is a sea of of people. There are Police horses, hot dog stands, programme sellers, the feeling was unbelievable for a kid. It took us so long to get to our turnstile that night, we were in the Normanton Paddock, the only place we could get tickets, we had to be walked along the edge of the pitch, and pushed into the front of the crowd. What a night. Great view of the goals too as all three were scored at the Normanton End. I remember those days so vividly, feel very lucky to have seen the games I have, and experienced football at it's rawest, home and away. To think no one now will feel the thrill of a packed terrace when your team scores. Nothing like it.

I was just saying how I felt. The situation is not all of the clubs making or under their control. However I do feel the sense of detachment and apathy that is affecting me could also be the same for others. If you lose supporters they often never come back. This is a dangerous situation for our club. 

Nothing to talk about or comment on.

Apathy and indifference amongst many fans

No season ticket news

No transfer speculation

No retained list

No recent information on anything really.

I'm not sure if I've known a period like this in my long history of supporting the Rams. I think it is worrying as long term supported will start to feel they can simply get along fine without the hassle and expense of supporting a team, I feel a bit cut adrift TBH and starting to feel totally apathetic and somewhat taken for granted or ignored.

In terms of media references, I think "Rams" is very widely used and recognised for it's association with Derby County FC. Almost as much ore more than any other club booth on TV Radio and the news print media.

2 hours ago, Curtains said:

I think the whole of section 9 goes up its own arse 

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-9--arbitration/

95.5.3  in the case of appeal against sanction, the grounds are that the original sanction was too severe or too lenient having regard to all the circumstances.

This to me suggests that both club and EFL can appeal any sanction as clearly no Club would appeal a sanction for being to lenient.

25 minutes ago, Curtains said:

That’s why I can’t understand why they referred it back to DC 

They have made a hash of it 

Section 94 does not appear to give power of imposing any sanction, just of making a decision?

A fair and balanced statement which I can predict with a fair amount of certainty will not be good enough for some......

21 minutes ago, Duracell said:

While I agree with a lot of what you say, do you remember how it felt when we left Wembley in 2014 in that disgustingly beautiful bank holiday sunshine?

We were run properly. We played football properly. And QPR did neither. They'd played the system, got a light 'punishment' for it, and their team of mercenaries had no answer to our team of talented, excitable youngsters who footballed them to death. Their game plan was to soak up pressure and hope for the best.

It wasn't just the nature of Zamora's goal - it was the team that did it, and what they stood for at the time. It felt like money and greed would always win, no matter what you did.

To many other clubs in this league, we're the present day QPR. If we were still living sensibly within our own means under GSE ownership, and it was Gibson selling the Riverside to himself and outcompeting us for transfers due to creative accounting, we would want the EFL to fight our corner too. 

Perhaps we haven't broken the rules, and that is why the EFL have nothing on us, but I personally feel that if the shoe was on the other foot, I'd be wanting the EFL to throw the book at the club and find anything they can.

Surely though there comes a point where someone says enough is enough. Surely the punishment has to fit the crime, not destroy the club. Arguably the club has already been punished enough? which of the other transgressors have been hounded in the media like Derby? Were QPR or Villa or recently SWFC? The EFL could have dealt with this so differently and with a little acceptance of the fact that their rules are not explicit enough and that is at the very least a contributory factor? Surely?

Owners only do this because the Championship, as a competition has been ruined by parachute payments.

Would it be to much to ask of our Auditors that they issue a statement along the lines of "We stand by our decision to sign-off the accounts of DCFC as both accurate and compliant with FRS 102"

I mean their professionalism and competency has been seriously called into question here.

Here is what I don’t get. The financial jeopardy at the club has not just appeared in the last few weeks or months. We have to assume Mel has always been aware of the financial position. And yet conscious decisions have been made in the last 9 months to sign Jozwiak and to sack Coccu and to incur the costs of extra loans in January. Surely if we were genuinely on a financial precipice you would stop spending and therefore making it worse? So perhaps naively I believe the situation is surviveable. Of course I may be wrong. 

8 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

??

Was our away kit yellow and blue that season?

There was no such thing as an away kit then, just a second strip only used when there was a colour clash with the home team. So in about 80% of games we simply wore our first colours of White shirts, blue/navy shorts white socks. Sometimes we only changed socks to black.

Just hope the club keep us informed over the next few weeks on ownership sand the EFL sanction hearing. Is the date set?

I genuinely swear, even if this was happening to Forest, a part of me would be thinking that this is starting to look like a vendetta........Leeds on the other hand.

Mel did actually say on Sunday there would be more information from the club very soon including on the ownership issue didn't he?

I assume from that he sort of knows how he intends to take the issue forward.