oodledoodle Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 49 minutes ago, jagerbob said: wards quality of delivery compared to wilson is like night and day. wilson is great at taking players on, but his lack of quality last night really showed. we pretty much had ball in their half all second half, how many goodballs, or clear chances for a shot on goal were created. not much is the answer. Wilson is good at playing people through on the floor though. It's good they're so different, gives us options. Carnero 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleover ram Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 You've got to hold and give, But do it at the right time. You can be slow or fast, But you must get to the line. They'll always hit you and hurt you, Defend and attack. There's only one way to beat them - Get round the back Caerphilly Ram, BramcoteRam84, LeedsCityRam and 3 others 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney1991 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 It works when we get players into the box. Earlier part of the season it was cross cross with no one there. Last night showed when we have runners it works and the evidence showed with Thompson busting a gut in there. What’s the point in crossing if we have Collins vs 3 6 foot 4 centre backs and our midfielders are no where near or opposite wide player. it’s working because we have options to cross too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney1991 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 5 hours ago, sage said: Correct. Someone like Poom would have collected the crosses for our second and third goals No keeper in the world is collecting the 3rd goal. That ball was inch perfect. Dangerous height right to the edge of the 6 yard box. Keeper hesitant to not make it and take a player out and defenders facing the wrong way to put it in there own net. One of the best balls into the box I’ve seen in a long time richinspain, Pikeyram and Crewton 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Worth noting that the ageing Chris Martin has 6 goals in this league already in not many minutes on the pitch - put it in the right place and someone who knows what they are doing will usually put it in the onion bag valakari and kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 48 minutes ago, Barney1991 said: No keeper in the world is collecting the 3rd goal. That ball was inch perfect. Dangerous height right to the edge of the 6 yard box. Keeper hesitant to not make it and take a player out and defenders facing the wrong way to put it in there own net. One of the best balls into the box I’ve seen in a long time I've looked at the highlights now and I agree. Though Cashin sidefoots it 6 yards out, it passes others on the way. As a general point keepers don't seem as good on crosses as they used to, but the balls are different now, and I imagine that makes things more difficult Barney1991 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Crossing always has and always will be a part of the game and a way of setting up goals. The real difference last night was the quality of the crosses for the goals. All 3 crosses landed inch perfectly instead of 2 feet above the intended target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Simply put we’ve found ways to win games when we’ve played badly. yesterday we came back to win from 2 down - when was the last time we did that. don’t care how we do it, just got to keep winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 8 hours ago, deanoakaram4life said: How we are playing is very similar to how Burnley have had success in recent years. Direct football that gets results. The problem with the whole of football is that there is a snobbery to certain teams playing style. Teams like Luton, Burnley, and Sheff Utd have managed to get to the prem by perfecting quick direct play. It seems that we are in the same mould under Warne. Here's a comparison of directness in graph form: I've been watching it change as the season progresses, and we've gone from the most direct team in the league playing few passes per sequence, to one which is slightly less direct and passing it more. In an ideal world, you'd be in the top right of the graph, but the best sides are typically found in the lower right section. Due to averaging, we'll actually be more like Portsmouth at this exact moment in time. I've also marked up where the most direct side in the Championship (red) and Premier League (oramge) is positioned. Average directness doesn't change much throughout the divisions, but number of passes does. From 2.9 in L1, to 3.4 in the Championshop and 3.6 in the PL. LeedsCityRam and HorsforthRam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returning ram Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: an ideal world, you'd be in the top right of the graph Why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich84 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 22 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Not exactly taking the Prem by storm. Not to do with snobbery, perhaps to do with effectiveness? I think Burnley's problem is they aren't playing that way since Kompany took over, but trying to play controlled football through the middle (as the top 2 or 3 teams do) but with inferior quality players, too good for the Championship but not good enough for the Prem. The Burnley reference that @deanoakaram4lifemade I think was when Dyche managed them...... RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 16 hours ago, Returning ram said: Why ? The top right of the graph would indicate a team getting the ball forward quickly with a lot of accurate passes. This would indicate a high degree of skill, thought and accuracy, usually shown by the likes of Man City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, ram59 said: The top right of the graph would indicate a team getting the ball forward quickly with a lot of accurate passes. This would indicate a high degree of skill, thought and accuracy, usually shown by the likes of Man City. Man City are in the bottom right, but of the chart to the right. Top right would be more like Liverpool, which Warne has referred to in the past as a style he prefers and I think it would be a style we look to emulate as we progress up the leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 On 30/12/2023 at 19:48, Ghost of Clough said: Here's a comparison of directness in graph form: I've been watching it change as the season progresses, and we've gone from the most direct team in the league playing few passes per sequence, to one which is slightly less direct and passing it more. In an ideal world, you'd be in the top right of the graph, but the best sides are typically found in the lower right section. Due to averaging, we'll actually be more like Portsmouth at this exact moment in time. I've also marked up where the most direct side in the Championship (red) and Premier League (oramge) is positioned. Average directness doesn't change much throughout the divisions, but number of passes does. From 2.9 in L1, to 3.4 in the Championshop and 3.6 in the PL. I wonder how different it would look if you took out Cashin’s cross field long balls to the RW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 "Can we finally admit get it wide/cross it in works in League One?" Please can someone tell footballing teams like Peterborough then. DavesaRam and Srg 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 11 minutes ago, IslandExile said: "Can we finally admit get it wide/cross it in works in League One?" Please can someone tell footballing teams like Peterborough then. The team with the most crosses in the league? Edited January 1 by Ghost of Clough angieram, YorkshireRam, Caerphilly Ram and 5 others 1 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: The team woth the most crosses in the league? Ok fair enough but Posh get in crossing positions by playing fast flowing, passing football not just aimlessly pumping it down the channels hoping that a wing back will get to it first. BTW where's Bolton in that list? Edited January 1 by IslandExile Bolton Archied, Returning ram and DavesaRam 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 26 minutes ago, IslandExile said: Ok fair enough but Posh get in crossing positions by playing fast flowing, passing football not just aimlessly pumping it down the channels hoping that a wing back will get to it first. BTW where's Bolton in that list? Bolton are 18th with 17 per game and Oxford are 22nd with 15 IslandExile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadAmster Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 It most certainly does work but it shouldn't be your only tactic and, at times, it has felt like it is our one and only. Mix it up. Play through the middle as well. Invert the wingers and have them cut inside as well. Basically, don't be predictable. HorsforthRam and DavesaRam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 On 01/01/2024 at 17:06, Ghost of Clough said: The team with the most crosses in the league? Jeez that’s quality retort and use of stats 😂 Ghost of Clough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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