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9 hours ago, ram59 said:

UK governments and the word wise do not usually occur in the same sentence. 

That aside, it's not just the UK's vision to drive electric vehicles, it's being driven worldwide. The UK can only differ slightly from the rest of Europe and the World, where the vast majority of our vehicles are produced. Many governments are in a similar position, Germany for one, still relies heavily on electricity generated in coal fired power stations using the most polluting type of coal available.

I am aware that the switch to electric vehicles is put forward as a concerted multi national effort, but it's not really much of a concerted effort to clean up the planet if the energy problem has not been solved before going ahead with what should logically be the second phase of the plan. 

Are the leaders of the world so inept, so incompetent as to not see beyond their noses and if so, why do we the plebs bother to listen to a word they utter on any subject matter at all?  While I am at it, why are we not demanding answers from them of how to solve the clean energy problem every time they bring up the subject of electric vehicles?  Why do we play pretend along with them, that we are helping save the planet by driving electric vehicles when we are not?  What is this collective madness?

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4 hours ago, ramit said:

I am aware that the switch to electric vehicles is put forward as a concerted multi national effort, but it's not really much of a concerted effort to clean up the planet if the energy problem has not been solved before going ahead with what should logically be the second phase of the plan. 

Are the leaders of the world so inept, so incompetent as to not see beyond their noses and if so, why do we the plebs bother to listen to a word they utter on any subject matter at all?  While I am at it, why are we not demanding answers from them of how to solve the clean energy problem every time they bring up the subject of electric vehicles?  Why do we play pretend along with them, that we are helping save the planet by driving electric vehicles when we are not?  What is this collective madness?

Because most of us are hypocrits basically, we like to be green without paying extra for it, we would like to eat organic food without paying extra for it, we want better services without paying extra for it, we want extra housing and infrastructure as long as it's not in our back yard, we feel sorry for migrants as long as we don't have to pay extra and have them in our neighbourhood.

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1 minute ago, Gaspode said:

Huge fire at a multi-story car park at Luton Airport - hundreds of vehicles destroyed - suggestions that the fire was far more firece (and harder to bring under control) due to the number of EVs which burn far longer and hotter....

I did wonder if the fire might have started from an EV battery? 

But still the majority of cars would have been ICE and you'd have thought several hundred large petrol bombs would be quite the exacerbating factor too

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6 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

I did wonder if the fire might have started from an EV battery? 

But still the majority of cars would have been ICE and you'd have thought several hundred large petrol bombs would be quite the exacerbating factor too

Fire brigade saying the fire started in a ICE car. 

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Just thought to look up the data... data from a US car insurance company  shows 25 car fires per 100,000 vehicles for EVs, compared to 1,500 car fires per 100,000 vehicles for ICE cars.  Hybrids however 3,500 car fires per 100,000 vehicles.

So batteries on the whole seem much safer, but something about hybrid design is not good.

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There are so many conflicting views on what started it (mainly down to whether people are pro or against EVs) - and as a part of the car park has collapsed, it's possible they won't get a definitive reason - some say it started in a diesel Range Rover, others pointing at a Tesla charging point where a car on charger burst into flames.

What does seem clear is that it there is a concern it may have taken longer to bring under control due to all the burning batteries.....I certainly hadn't considered that they may be an issue in a fire before this...

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1 hour ago, Gaspode said:

There are so many conflicting views on what started it (mainly down to whether people are pro or against EVs) - and as a part of the car park has collapsed, it's possible they won't get a definitive reason - some say it started in a diesel Range Rover, others pointing at a Tesla charging point where a car on charger burst into flames.

What does seem clear is that it there is a concern it may have taken longer to bring under control due to all the burning batteries.....I certainly hadn't considered that they may be an issue in a fire before this...

Especially as there were no sprinklers in the car park. Having those  might have helped more.

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9 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Especially as there were no sprinklers in the car park. Having those  might have helped more.

Maybe - though not sure how well a water-based sprinkler would work with a battery fire.....let's hope lessons are learned

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1 hour ago, Gaspode said:

There are so many conflicting views on what started it (mainly down to whether people are pro or against EVs) - and as a part of the car park has collapsed, it's possible they won't get a definitive reason - some say it started in a diesel Range Rover, others pointing at a Tesla charging point where a car on charger burst into flames.

What does seem clear is that it there is a concern it may have taken longer to bring under control due to all the burning batteries.....I certainly hadn't considered that they may be an issue in a fire before this...

EV batteries are very difficult to extinguish due to not requiring oxygen to burn, having a car park full of EVs will be extremely difficult.

My understanding is that you first need to get the non-battery part of the fire under control, before cutting into the using specialist equipment to cut into the battery before filling that hole with water. The designs of batteries varies, some can be extinguished by a single hole, whilst others may need a series of entry points. There is also a reasonable risk of reignition.

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5 hours ago, Gaspode said:

Maybe - though not sure how well a water-based sprinkler would work with a battery fire.....let's hope lessons are learned

Only saying what the fire chief at the Luton fire said. Who knows maybe it puts out the car whilst the battery smokes.

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https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/16/tesla_owners_in_deep_freeze/

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Saw a fellow sitting in his EV at a charging station. The businesses were still closed for him to stay warm and dawdle while his car charged. I briefly spoke with him as he went into the store. He said he's been sitting in the car running the heaters and it was taking about twice as long to charge. The car's range was about 280km in the cold he said. The fellow said his trip to Saskatoon from Kelowna takes about 3 times longer for charging time (sitting time). His charges today were about $100 and two hours of sitting with heaters on and the battery was only 2/3 charged. He said he liked his EV, but only in summer. But he said only if it's not too hot, AC drains batteries very fast. So, if you live in Canada, and are considering buying an EV, make sure your pockets are deep and you're NEVER on a schedule.

 

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