ramit Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, ram59 said: UK governments and the word wise do not usually occur in the same sentence. That aside, it's not just the UK's vision to drive electric vehicles, it's being driven worldwide. The UK can only differ slightly from the rest of Europe and the World, where the vast majority of our vehicles are produced. Many governments are in a similar position, Germany for one, still relies heavily on electricity generated in coal fired power stations using the most polluting type of coal available. I am aware that the switch to electric vehicles is put forward as a concerted multi national effort, but it's not really much of a concerted effort to clean up the planet if the energy problem has not been solved before going ahead with what should logically be the second phase of the plan. Are the leaders of the world so inept, so incompetent as to not see beyond their noses and if so, why do we the plebs bother to listen to a word they utter on any subject matter at all? While I am at it, why are we not demanding answers from them of how to solve the clean energy problem every time they bring up the subject of electric vehicles? Why do we play pretend along with them, that we are helping save the planet by driving electric vehicles when we are not? What is this collective madness? Edited September 23, 2023 by ramit Overall look David Graham Brown and Archied 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 4 hours ago, ramit said: I am aware that the switch to electric vehicles is put forward as a concerted multi national effort, but it's not really much of a concerted effort to clean up the planet if the energy problem has not been solved before going ahead with what should logically be the second phase of the plan. Are the leaders of the world so inept, so incompetent as to not see beyond their noses and if so, why do we the plebs bother to listen to a word they utter on any subject matter at all? While I am at it, why are we not demanding answers from them of how to solve the clean energy problem every time they bring up the subject of electric vehicles? Why do we play pretend along with them, that we are helping save the planet by driving electric vehicles when we are not? What is this collective madness? Because most of us are hypocrits basically, we like to be green without paying extra for it, we would like to eat organic food without paying extra for it, we want better services without paying extra for it, we want extra housing and infrastructure as long as it's not in our back yard, we feel sorry for migrants as long as we don't have to pay extra and have them in our neighbourhood. ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 On 22/09/2023 at 13:06, Stive Pesley said: I saw this news article - sounds like they are way ahead of Tesla in this regard Yeah but self-driving cars... Ooh, a squirrel! Stive Pesley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Huge fire at a multi-story car park at Luton Airport - hundreds of vehicles destroyed - suggestions that the fire was far more firece (and harder to bring under control) due to the number of EVs which burn far longer and hotter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Gaspode said: Huge fire at a multi-story car park at Luton Airport - hundreds of vehicles destroyed - suggestions that the fire was far more firece (and harder to bring under control) due to the number of EVs which burn far longer and hotter.... I did wonder if the fire might have started from an EV battery? But still the majority of cars would have been ICE and you'd have thought several hundred large petrol bombs would be quite the exacerbating factor too RoyMac5, TigerTedd and therealhantsram 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: I did wonder if the fire might have started from an EV battery? But still the majority of cars would have been ICE and you'd have thought several hundred large petrol bombs would be quite the exacerbating factor too Fire brigade saying the fire started in a ICE car. -- Just thought to look up the data... data from a US car insurance company shows 25 car fires per 100,000 vehicles for EVs, compared to 1,500 car fires per 100,000 vehicles for ICE cars. Hybrids however 3,500 car fires per 100,000 vehicles. So batteries on the whole seem much safer, but something about hybrid design is not good. Edited October 11, 2023 by therealhantsram cstand and Stive Pesley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 There are so many conflicting views on what started it (mainly down to whether people are pro or against EVs) - and as a part of the car park has collapsed, it's possible they won't get a definitive reason - some say it started in a diesel Range Rover, others pointing at a Tesla charging point where a car on charger burst into flames. What does seem clear is that it there is a concern it may have taken longer to bring under control due to all the burning batteries.....I certainly hadn't considered that they may be an issue in a fire before this... Stive Pesley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gaspode said: There are so many conflicting views on what started it (mainly down to whether people are pro or against EVs) - and as a part of the car park has collapsed, it's possible they won't get a definitive reason - some say it started in a diesel Range Rover, others pointing at a Tesla charging point where a car on charger burst into flames. What does seem clear is that it there is a concern it may have taken longer to bring under control due to all the burning batteries.....I certainly hadn't considered that they may be an issue in a fire before this... Especially as there were no sprinklers in the car park. Having those might have helped more. Edited October 11, 2023 by RoyMac5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Especially as there were no sprinklers in the car park. Having those might have helped more. Maybe - though not sure how well a water-based sprinkler would work with a battery fire.....let's hope lessons are learned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Gaspode said: There are so many conflicting views on what started it (mainly down to whether people are pro or against EVs) - and as a part of the car park has collapsed, it's possible they won't get a definitive reason - some say it started in a diesel Range Rover, others pointing at a Tesla charging point where a car on charger burst into flames. What does seem clear is that it there is a concern it may have taken longer to bring under control due to all the burning batteries.....I certainly hadn't considered that they may be an issue in a fire before this... EV batteries are very difficult to extinguish due to not requiring oxygen to burn, having a car park full of EVs will be extremely difficult. My understanding is that you first need to get the non-battery part of the fire under control, before cutting into the using specialist equipment to cut into the battery before filling that hole with water. The designs of batteries varies, some can be extinguished by a single hole, whilst others may need a series of entry points. There is also a reasonable risk of reignition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 5 hours ago, Gaspode said: Maybe - though not sure how well a water-based sprinkler would work with a battery fire.....let's hope lessons are learned Only saying what the fire chief at the Luton fire said. Who knows maybe it puts out the car whilst the battery smokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 59 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Only saying what the fire chief at the Luton fire said. Who knows maybe it puts out the car whilst the battery smokes. It’s ok , rishi is bringing in a smoking ban so only cars over 14 years old will carry on smoking😂 Rev and RoyMac5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Imagine being the owner of the car that started it, and attempting to renew your insurance next time. "I see you have a total loss claim against you last year, do you know the value of that claim?". "Yes, it was £30m for the vehicles, and £40m building damages". Click, followed by a dead phone line. WharfedaleRam, David Graham Brown and Stive Pesley 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Started in a diesel car. As you were Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 https://www.transportxtra.com/publications/parking-review/news/73541/taking-fire-safety-in-car-parks-to-a-new-level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) Luton fire brigade are being praised for preventing the fire spreading to the town centre and creating £500m worth of improvements. Edited October 11, 2023 by Grumpy Git Stive Pesley, RoyMac5, Alph and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 It was caused by a diesel range rover s*** box catching fire,not an electric vehicle. I'm not sure half time whether I'm reading the daily mail or the socialist worker on here half the time. Or just grumpy old blokes regurgitating the same old nonsense. cstand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 11 hours ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: ... just grumpy old blokes... Mucker1884, Gaspode and uttoxram75 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/16/tesla_owners_in_deep_freeze/ Quote Saw a fellow sitting in his EV at a charging station. The businesses were still closed for him to stay warm and dawdle while his car charged. I briefly spoke with him as he went into the store. He said he's been sitting in the car running the heaters and it was taking about twice as long to charge. The car's range was about 280km in the cold he said. The fellow said his trip to Saskatoon from Kelowna takes about 3 times longer for charging time (sitting time). His charges today were about $100 and two hours of sitting with heaters on and the battery was only 2/3 charged. He said he liked his EV, but only in summer. But he said only if it's not too hot, AC drains batteries very fast. So, if you live in Canada, and are considering buying an EV, make sure your pockets are deep and you're NEVER on a schedule. David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/16/tesla_owners_in_deep_freeze/ https://www.theengineer.co.uk/content/news/anti-icing-and-de-icing-film-generates-its-own-heat Edited January 17 by cstand Further information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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