MACKWORTHRAM Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said: I’ll be boarding the Warne out wagon if it turns out his comments last night are the difference between Bird staying and leaving. Class player. Didn’t do enough last season but isn’t his fault rosenior bought in 2 very similar CMs to play with him. No coincidence our form fell off a cliff without him in the side though. A shame he’s perennially underrated by our fans. He may well have been on his way without those comments but he’s one we should h e been aiming to build a team around moving forwards. Please tell me what Max Bird has done to be labelled a "class player"? McMuffin and Dcfcsr92 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: Please tell me what Max Bird has done to be labelled a "class player"? He’s literally the only midfielder capable of driving forwards with the ball (highlights from last night show that despite a disappointing performance he was able to shimmy his way through 3 Blackpool players before laying it into the forward as just 1 example). He has got a killer pass on him (Stoke pre season for just 1 example). He is technically gifted and completely 2 footed. Obviously I’m talking about him in the context we find ourselves but he’s impressed Cocu, Lampard, Rooney, Rosenior and Warne. Regardless of thoughts on individual managers that is 5 managers in a row who have rated him. I’ll ignore any lazy tropes about ‘always goes sideways’ too. Will Hughes Hair, Steve How Hard?, Gladram and 7 others 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 So even Bird is not good enough for us now. SMDH 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKWORTHRAM Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said: He’s literally the only midfielder capable of driving forwards with the ball (highlights from last night show that despite a disappointing performance he was able to shimmy his way through 3 Blackpool players before laying it into the forward as just 1 example). He has got a killer pass on him (Stoke pre season for just 1 example). He is technically gifted and completely 2 footed. Obviously I’m talking about him in the context we find ourselves but he’s impressed Cocu, Lampard, Rooney, Rosenior and Warne. Regardless of thoughts on individual managers that is 5 managers in a row who have rated him. I’ll ignore any lazy tropes about ‘always goes sideways’ too. So there's two examples and one of them was in pre season. He doesn't do that anywhere near enough. Ramos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: So there's two examples and one of them was in pre season. He doesn't do that anywhere near enough. He's not quite 23, list me some other midfield players that have his talent. IlsonDerby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckoBeast Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 I thought Wigans two young CM were much better MACKWORTHRAM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: So there's two examples and one of them was in pre season. He doesn't do that anywhere near enough. I gave you the most recent examples - I was hardly Gonna pinpoint specifics from last season was I? and my original post you replied to acknowledged last season was far from ideal for him but it was his injury that timed with our decline… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, BuckoBeast said: I thought Wigans two young CM were much better The 21 year old attacking mid with 14 goal contributions in 95 games, only 4 of which in the Championship, or, the 22 year old CM with just 2 goals and 6 assists in 86 first team games, none higher than League 1. Bird has 15 goal contributions, with 4 of those coming in his most recent season in the Championship whilst playing as the deepest midfielder with little licence to push forward, and 6 last season. As I also pointed out recently, no CM under 23 had more open play assists than Bird in League 1 or Championship last season. RoyMac5, angieram, Will Hughes Hair and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BuckoBeast said: I thought Wigans two young CM were much better Who? One of them Smith released by Arsenal this summer? Maybe Bird would look better to you with players other than Smith and Hourihane? Edited August 9, 2023 by RoyMac5 Carnero 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoghan1884 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 I love Bird, but we are in a s*** situation so if he wants to go and we get the money we think he’s worth we’re going to have to take it as he’ll be gone for free next year which is even worse for us. If we get a good midfielder on loan + maybe a solid holding midfielder at this level to bolster options aswell as using birds wages to tempt a striker it could balance us out more. We are in league one players are going to want to leave it’s not fun to see for us but it’s our new reality. nogbad van 50 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 38 minutes ago, BuckoBeast said: I thought Wigans two young CM were much better That's because they had the freedom of Pride Park to operate in! derbydaz22, Carnero, InstaRam and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Eoghan1884 said: I love Bird, but we are in a s*** situation so if he wants to go and we get the money we think he’s worth we’re going to have to take it as he’ll be gone for free next year which is even worse for us. If we get a good midfielder on loan + maybe a solid holding midfielder at this level to bolster options aswell as using birds wages to tempt a striker it could balance us out more. We are in league one players are going to want to leave it’s not fun to see for us but it’s our new reality. He won't be gone for free - we'd get compensation. A good midfielder on loan like White? Good midfielders will go to the Championship. Getting rid of our best players for peanuts will not help us in the short or long term. If the new reality is losing all our good young players how on earth will we get any other decent signings in?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Back to basics - if he isn’t going to be signing an extension to stay longer than this season then get him sold now with a hefty sell on included Eoghan1884 and Ted McMinn Football Genius 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoghan1884 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 If we did get Jensen Weir on loan and Ryan woods as part of the Bird deal I think we could have great balance in there with Woods behind Weir and Hourihane. Hull fans said Woods looked good all pre season and maybe deserved a chance in the team this year. I think he’d definitely still be good enough at this level. if we did manage to pull off the Weir deal that would mean our two advanced 8’s would have had 17 goals and 15 assist between them last year in league one. Would be very exciting but who knows it’s just paper talk atm. DCFC1388 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: He won't be gone for free - we'd get compensation. A good midfielder on loan like White? Good midfielders will go to the Championship. Getting rid of our best players for peanuts will not help us in the short or long term. If the new reality is losing all our good young players how on earth will we get any other decent signings in?! If they are not going to sign to stay then we have to sell them when we have chance as it’s not going to change until we scramble promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 I like Bird more than I like Warne Adslegend, Ghost of Clough, Comrade 86 and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoghan1884 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: He won't be gone for free - we'd get compensation. A good midfielder on loan like White? Good midfielders will go to the Championship. Getting rid of our best players for peanuts will not help us in the short or long term. If the new reality is losing all our good young players how on earth will we get any other decent signings in?! Your right but we could definitely get a lot more this year than the compensation next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Just now, Eoghan1884 said: Your right but we could definitely get a lot more this year than the compensation next. But if we want to scramble promotion why not keep him and ditch Hourihane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoghan1884 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: But if we want to scramble promotion why not keep him and ditch Hourihane? I’d love to keep him, but if he really wants to go let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: I like Bird more than I like Warne I like my missus more than I like Warne. Ted McMinn Football Genius, Steve How Hard?, RoyMac5 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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