Points Deduction, Who's Next And When Will It Stop?

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

25 minutes ago, Gaspode said:

Reports that Chelsea could get points deduction due to alledged offshore payments made during Abramovich's time in charge which didn't go through the books to avoid FFP issues....

If any premier league club gets an actual points deduction I'll be amazed.  The ones who are winning stuff/getting in Europe/avoiding relegation won't push as it won't suit their own agenda.  The ones who've gone down after a few years will have played the skeleton in the closet game and won't want to risk any counter accusations which may damage their failure pot of money or close off an option for a quick return. 

The only ones who'll raise it as an issue are a one season up, not that likely to return club and they'll just laugh and not give a s***.

[Ilsonram12]

Everton just been deducted 10 points, 💩 rolling down from premier 

[RoyMac5]

16 minutes ago, Ilsonram12 said:

Everton just been deducted 10 points, 💩 rolling down from premier 

BBC: "Sanction relates to losses over a three-year period

The Premier League referred Everton to an independent commission in March but did not reveal the specifics of the club's alleged breach.

Everton posted financial losses for the fifth successive year in March after reporting a £44.7m deficit in 2021-22.

Premier League clubs are permitted to lose £105m over a three-year period and Everton admitted to being in breach of the profit and sustainability rules (PSR) for the period ending 2021-22.

Following a five-day hearing in October, the commission found in favour of the Premier League that Everton's losses during that period amounted to £124.5m."

[Tyler Durden]

Everton lol

[MarsdenRam]

They need to be taking a very close look at all the shenanigans going on under Marinakis.

[Red_Dawn]

1 hour ago, Ilsonram12 said:

Everton just been deducted 10 points, 💩 rolling down from premier 

Eieieio 😂

[Ram-Alf]

43 minutes ago, MarsdenRam said:

They need to be taking a very close look at all the shenanigans going on under Marinakis.

It was the night of 2nd of September 1666 when the descendants of Marinakis left these shores to start a new life in Greece, Mr Marinakis Snr had a dispute with Thomas Farriner over the price of a loaf of bread, Mr Farriner was the owner of a building in Pudding Lane.

Things never change 💥

[Gaspode]

Understand Everton are appealing the deduction, but it looks like a slam-dunk with little to argue other than they've been penalised while Man City & Chelsea have not...

To be honest, they're in form at the moment and there are some pretty dreadful teams in the bottom half of the PL so getting a deduction this season may not be as catastrophic as it may have been in another season...I can see them escaping relegation fairlt comfortably.

[Bris Vegas]

37 minutes ago, Gaspode said:

Understand Everton are appealing the deduction, but it looks like a slam-dunk with little to argue other than they've been penalised while Man City & Chelsea have not...

To be honest, they're in form at the moment and there are some pretty dreadful teams in the bottom half of the PL so getting a deduction this season may not be as catastrophic as it may have been in another season...I can see them escaping relegation fairlt comfortably.

It’s ironic that a 10-point deduction in any of the years they fell foul of the rules would have relegated them.

But when they finally get deducted, it’s in a year where the bottom three are that bad they will still stay up by about 10+ points.

[JfR]

As much as I don't like it, I can at least understand why Leeds, Leicester, Burnley and Southampton have put in applications for compensation. What surprised me is that Forest have as well. Don't think that one stands much of a chance.

[hintonsboots]

2 minutes ago, JfR said:

As much as I don't like it, I can at least understand why Leeds, Leicester, Burnley and Southampton have put in applications for compensation. What surprised me is that Forest have as well. Don't think that one stands much of a chance.

Will Gibbo find a way ?

[Foreveram]

43 minutes ago, hintonsboots said:

Will Gibbo find a way ?

It must have impacted Wycombe in some way.

[TomTom92]

The sooner FIFA puts a widespread transfer/wage cup in to place the better. 

Either that or do away with FFP and let teams spend what they like and if their eyes are bigger than their bellies and they go bust then its tough titties. 

[Old Spalding Ram]

Meanwhile………the ongoing over 100 FA charges against Man City.

1. In respect of each of Seasons 2009/10 to 2017/18 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those seasons that required provision by a member club to the Premier League, in the utmost good faith, of accurate financial information that gives a true and fair view of the club’s financial position, in particular with respect to its revenue (including sponsorship revenue), its related parties and its operating costs, namely: 
(a) for Season 2009/10, Premier League Rules B.13, C.71, C.72, C.75 (amended to C.79 from 10 September 2009 for the remainder of Season 2009/10) and C.80; 
(b) for Season 2010/11, Premier League Rules B.13, C.78, C.79, C.86 and C.87; 
(c) for Season 2011/12, Premier League Rules B.13, E.3, 4, E.11 and E.12; 
(d) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11 and E.12; 
(e) for Season 2013/14, Premier League Rules 15, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.49; 
(f) for Season 2014/15, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.50; 
(g) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.50; 
(h) for Season 2016/17, Premier League Rules16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.51; and 
(i) for Season 2017/18, Premier League Rules B.16, 3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.51

 

2. In respect of: 
(a) each of Seasons 2009/10 to 2012/13 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons requiring a member club to include full details of manager remuneration in its relevant contracts with its manager, namely: 
(1) for Seasons 2009/10 to 2011/12 inclusive, Premier League Rules Q.7 and Q.8; and 
(2) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules P.7 and P.8; and 
(b) each of Seasons 2010/11 to 2015/16 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons requiring a member club to include full details of player remuneration in its relevant contracts with its players, namely: 
(1) for Seasons 2010/11 and 2011/12, Premier League Rules K.12 and K.20; 
(2) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules T.12 and T.20; 
(3) for Seasons 2013/14 and 2014/15, Premier League Rules T.12 and T.19; and 
(4) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules T.13 and T.20.

 

3. In respect of each of Seasons 2013/14 to 2017/18 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons requiring a member club to comply with UEFA’s regulations, including UEFA’s Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations, namely: 
(a) for Season 2013/14, Premier League Rule B.14.6; and 
(b) for Seasons 2014/15 to 2017/18 inclusive, Premier League Rule B.15.6.

 

4. In respect of each of the Seasons 2015/16 to 2017/18 inclusive, the Premier League Rules applicable in those Seasons on Profitability and Sustainability, namely: 
(a) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules E.52 to E.60; and 
(b) for Seasons 2016/17 and 2017/18, Premier League Rules E.53 to E.60.

5. In respect of the period from December 2018 to date, the Premier League Rules applicable in the relevant Seasons requiring a member club to cooperate with, and assist, the Premier League in its investigations, including by providing documents and information to the Premier League in the utmost good faith, namely: 
(a) for Season 2018/19, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13; 
(b) for Season 2019/20, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13; 
(c) for Season 2020/21, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13; 
(d) for Season 2021/22, Premier League Rules B.15, B.18, W.1, W.2, W.15 and W.16; and 
(e) for Season 2022/23, Premier League Rules B.15, B.18, W.1, W.2, W.15 and W.16.

 

2009-2023 compensation claim…….please form an orderly queue!

Edited November 17, 2023 by Old Spalding Ram

[Ram-Alf]

35 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

It must have impacted Wycombe in some way.

Yep scousers did their car park and weeds are coming through already

[Wolfie20]

Even with a 10 point deduction they're still only 2 points behind a poor Luton side so it'll be their own fault if, over the remainder of the season, they fail to escape relegation.

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

2 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

It’s ironic that a 10-point deduction in any of the years they fell foul of the rules would have relegated them.

But when they finally get deducted, it’s in a year where the bottom three are that bad they will still stay up by about 10+ points.

Should have gone in 97.  Han Segers, what a Bamford.

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

They won't go down.  I think they'll only need about 22 points.

Never thought I'd see a points deduction in the Premier League.  When is it Man Citys turn

[Bris Vegas]

1 hour ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

They won't go down.  I think they'll only need about 22 points.

Never thought I'd see a points deduction in the Premier League.  When is it Man Citys turn

I’m not that clued up, but the general consensus suggests Man City will probably not get one. As they have appealed, and it’s gone on for so long, surely a decision would already have been made. It’ll probably be a big fine, which will be pennies for their owners.

 

[Grumpy Git]

City use bigger brown envelopes than Everton.