Hans Datdo-Dishes Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 20 minutes ago, JfR said: Hopefully he doesn't play too flaky for them He'll be head and shoulders above anyone in their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 As well as two niggly injuries, Jack had covid last season, which he took a while to recover from. Hence the reason Cybulski seemed to leapfrog him into the first team squad. Before that, he was looking really sharp and actually a lot more deadly in front of goal than Plange at under 23 level. I think the goalscoring ability is there. The question mark is whether he can handle the closer attention that defenders will give him at league level. Division two is a good place to find that out. Good luck, Jack. Zag zig, r_wilcockson, therealhantsram and 13 others 11 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIMBAUD Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 40 minutes ago, angieram said: As well as two niggly injuries, Jack had covid last season, which he took a while to recover from. Hence the reason Cybulski seemed to leapfrog him into the first team squad. Before that, he was looking really sharp and actually a lot more deadly in front of goal than Plange at under 23 level. I think the goalscoring ability is there. The question mark is whether he can handle the closer attention that defenders will give him at league level. Division two is a good place to find that out. Good luck, Jack. Wise words. I assume he was earmarked for a loan last year and the issues surrounding our available players and his injuries prevented it. angieram and Zag zig 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 hours ago, angieram said: As well as two niggly injuries, Jack had covid last season, which he took a while to recover from. Hence the reason Cybulski seemed to leapfrog him into the first team squad. Before that, he was looking really sharp and actually a lot more deadly in front of goal than Plange at under 23 level. I think the goalscoring ability is there. The question mark is whether he can handle the closer attention that defenders will give him at league level. Division two is a good place to find that out. Good luck, Jack. He's been very unlucky, typified by the fact that he was recalled from his first loan spell (at Stockport) after 3 goals in 5 games, following us losing all of our forwards injured at the same time (CKR, Waghorn, Lawrence) but before he had the chance to start a few games tore his calf muscle making a 2 minute sub appearance days after he was recalled! Hopefully he does well at Carlisle and stays injury free, he certainly knows where the net is so a full season of men's football should do him the world of good with the rest of his game. angieram, RoyMac5, Wignall12 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 22 hours ago, DCFC1388 said: On the bench for Carlisle today, got the number 99 Came on in the 70th minute wearing the number 32 shirt. Carl Sagan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravabeerbelly Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 On 06/08/2022 at 15:03, Hans Datdo-Dishes said: He'll be head and shoulders above anyone in their team. Clearly not seen any league 2 football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicman Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Missed a sitter from 5 yards out yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Magicman said: Missed a sitter from 5 yards out yesterday Off the toe of his team mate aswell ? Magicman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, Srg said: Off the toe of his team mate aswell ? Should have scored, But in his favour it was a turn and hit...then again his team mate would have been better placed, I can see after watching the league 2 highlights why strikers are playing down there...there were some shocking misses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dava75 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 6 hours ago, Magicman said: Missed a sitter from 5 yards out yesterday Genuine question - would you prefer Stretton to do well and score goals on his loan or be proved right on your view of his ability?! Carnero, Gaspode, LazloW and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicman Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Dava75 said: Genuine question - would you prefer Stretton to do well and score goals on his loan or be proved right on your view of his ability?! My views are based on watching him over 3 seasons here. It merely serves to highlight he fails to impress and the fact he misses easy chances is a problem he needs to fix asap. Edited August 14, 2022 by Magicman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dava75 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 I understand your view - which I respect is your view - but it doesn’t answer the question I’ve asked you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazloW Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 20 hours ago, Magicman said: Missed a sitter from 5 yards out yesterday 14 hours ago, Dava75 said: Genuine question - would you prefer Stretton to do well and score goals on his loan or be proved right on your view of his ability?! I think it’s fair to say that he wants to see a young Derby County player fail just to do he can tall everyone what a great judge of a footballer he is. Odd kind of fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Maybe they are banging the "Stretton is rubbish" drum with a bit too much gusto, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with criticising academy players. What's the alternative? We all pretend that every academy prospect is a world beater and ignore all evidence to the contrary? w8sey and Magicman 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 I so want Stretton to succeed, he is probably the one academy product I've been most excited about since Will Hughes. He just seemed to have a natural scoring ability. But then so did Morgan Whittaker. Magicman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dava75 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Anon said: Maybe they are banging the "Stretton is rubbish" drum with a bit too much gusto, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with criticising academy players. What's the alternative? We all pretend that every academy prospect is a world beater and ignore all evidence to the contrary? I’m not pretending anything. A view is a view and that is up to each individual. None of us can truly know based on the limited evidence so far as to whether Stretton will be another Callum Ball or another Dean Sturridge. Clearly those who watch him day in day out training etc have recognised he needs more game time elsewhere for his development and that is why he is out on loan. I would just like to understand whether MagicMan would prefer Stretton to do well or would prefer him to not do well to justify his view. The evidence of his posting on Stretton to date suggests the latter - but that could just be my perception - and the truth might be that he would actually love Stretton to find form and bang the goals in and will be as quick to comment on his success on here. ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicman Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 37 minutes ago, Dava75 said: I’m not pretending anything. A view is a view and that is up to each individual. None of us can truly know based on the limited evidence so far as to whether Stretton will be another Callum Ball or another Dean Sturridge. Clearly those who watch him day in day out training etc have recognised he needs more game time elsewhere for his development and that is why he is out on loan. I would just like to understand whether MagicMan would prefer Stretton to do well or would prefer him to not do well to justify his view. The evidence of his posting on Stretton to date suggests the latter - but that could just be my perception - and the truth might be that he would actually love Stretton to find form and bang the goals in and will be as quick to comment on his success on here. ??♂️ I have a view he is not good enough unlike some who wear rose tinted glasses. I am on the other hand full of praise for Bird, Thompson, Knight and have reservation over Sibley but he is still better than Sretton . dcfcreece1601 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 On 14/08/2022 at 12:16, Unlucky Alf said: Should have scored, But in his favour it was a turn and hit...then again his team mate would have been better placed, I can see after watching the league 2 highlights why strikers are playing down there...there were some shocking misses Yes, he actually connected pretty well, and if (big "if") he'd scored, no-one would be suggesting his teammate had a better claim on it. Not sure it was much worse than Haaland's miss a couple of weeks ago... fine margins. At the same time I'm also not convinced that Stretton's got what it takes. This loan - taken as a whole - will tell us a lot, I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dava75 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Magicman said: I have a view he is not good enough unlike some who wear rose tinted glasses. I am on the other hand full of praise for Bird, Thompson, Knight and have reservation over Sibley but he is still better than Sretton . So I’ll ask again - do you want him to score goals and your view be proven wrong - or do you want him to do badly and your view be proven right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Magicman said: I have a view he is not good enough unlike some who wear rose tinted glasses. I am on the other hand full of praise for Bird, Thompson, Knight and have reservation over Sibley but he is still better than Sretton . Most people who have watched the academy games over a number of years would describe Stretton as a natural poacher, but limited in general play. This is a major reason why Plange was involved so much more last season (other than the fact he was out injured for a large percentage of games). Stretton was used in 10 of the first 13 games in 21/22 (all competitions) prior to injury. 42 goals and 4 assists in 58 youth games since the start of the 18/19 season further back up this point. Great goal scorer, limited build-up play. He's had one loan spell, scoring 3 goals in just 173 minutes of football. In our first team, he has so far scored 1 and assisted 1 in 480 minutes of football He hasn't had much of a pre-season, so to write him off after a couple of 20 minute cameos whilst building up match fitness is premature. Taribo, Ram-Alf, Dava75 and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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