Steve How Hard? Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, RAM1966 said: Lets hope so.............. I have to say I don't particularly wish him any ill will. That obviously would have been different if he'd contributed to the demise of DCFC. He so nearly did. However did his actions inadvertently force David Clowes hand and ultimately save us? He of course deserves no credit. Bottom line is that he's quite rightly in the villains corner and DC is the hero of not just the day but the century. Adslegend, Hans Datdo-Dishes, RAM1966 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Astonishingly good and probably accurate piece. What I like about this article is based on the few snippets about buying us, they are all spot on accurate which suggests the rest of the article is. This guy will be in jail in a few years time. The next Stamford? He’s living a high life and I don’t think he has any substance to him. I was badly wrong in my own assumptions about him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, rammieib said: I was badly wrong in my own assumptions about him as well. You are not alone. I was really taken in. Seemed genuine, for me right up until that Dan Roan "interview". I guess when you want something so much, in this case the saving of the football club, it's easier to be hoodwinked. Miggins, Kathcairns, FlyBritishMidland and 5 others 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott129 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) I've come across many people in my job who I would say have 'the gift of the gab'. But this guy must be on another level to sucker in Goldman Sachs and other high-profile investors. It certainly raises questions about the EFL and their owners test, that's for sure. Edit: to clarify, I was all in on CK. He got me too. Edited July 20, 2022 by Scott129 Kathcairns, Adslegend and rammieib 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewetube Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Phew... I think we dodged several multiple launch rocket systems there. As if any of us were in any doubt, I think we were a whisker away from oblivion. Thank god he failed and Mr. Clowes stepped in. Adslegend, Kathcairns, LeedsCityRam and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Scott129 said: I've come across many people in my job who I would say have 'the gift of the gab'. But this guy must be on another level to sucker in Goldman Sachs and other high-profile investors. It certainly raises questions about the EFL and their owners test, that's for sure. Edit: to clarify, I was all in on CK. He got me too. It would appear that Mel Morris was (apart from a few of us on here) the only one of the decision makers to see through Kirchner, and hence his refusal to sell him the ground. The Scarlet Pimpernel, Ewetube, RoyMac5 and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewetube Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Charlotte Ram said: It would appear that Mel Morris was (apart from a few of us on here) the only one of the decision makers to see through Kirchner, and hence his refusal to sell him the ground. That's a really interesting thought! What is it they say about shipping bulls to a bull-shipper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EranioIsGod Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Amanda Solloway will be even deeper in hiding after reading this article SaffyRam and kevinhectoring 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kevinhectoring Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Charlotte Ram said: It would appear that Mel Morris was (apart from a few of us on here) the only one of the decision makers to see through Kirchner, and hence his refusal to sell him the ground. Hang on. MM wouldn’t sell him the ground because CK wouldn’t pay 23m for it Morris’ best mate for several moons was Samuelson so let’s not give him credit for the company he chooses RoyMac5, Crewton, Adslegend and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihangel Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 It's an interesting piece, not without its issues - I don't understand the focus on 'access to the bank accounts', I know, literally, dozens of people who are producing financial results for major companies, none of them will have access to a bank account nor will they ever see a bank statement! Nevertheless it paints a picture that is probably far from unique in ambitious startups, lots of ingenuity, lacking in oversight and governance. Either there's a smart guy with a gift for image and sales in there somewhere but someone who's compass has gone a bit awry, think Elizabeth Holmes or someone a bit more calculating manipulative and sinister, more of a Ruja Ignatova. I actually think more of David Brent - "Does a struggling salesman start turning up on a bicycle? No, he turns up in a newer car - perception, yeah?" I am definitely one that was taken in, I probably thought that the EFL and Quantuma had done their dilligence ?. Still, I like(d) the guy, but that's his thing isn't it, his charm. Nishfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swadieram Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 So will Rooney get his loan back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramos Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 14 hours ago, alram said: we should never ever turn a blind eye to red flags ever again. the guy was clearly questionable from the very start. even preston tried to warn us off him i am sure they did more behind the scenes than the statement they posted. when somebody is hiding something it is normally with good reason, how can he and his wife still be active on twitter after all this. he has no shame. I think in all honesty, a lot of us were blinded by our desperation for Derby County to be saved - I think if we weren’t in admin and this had just been a run of the mill takeover at a time when Mel was selling up, a lot more people would have made noises opposing it. I certainly hold my hands up and say although there were clear red flags my line of thinking was well if Q, EFL, garry cook etc etc got him to the point of contracts exchanged, that maybe he was legit but in hindsight none of this is surprising in fact what’s coming out is probably what the rational expected. SaffyRam, Adslegend, RadioactiveWaste and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Makes you wonder if he's been gambling with the funds investing in the crypto market and it's all gone to **** hes probably not a bad guy just made some poor decisions. As I said in a thread a while back he talked too much, anyone that has to tell you how much money they have usually don't have any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 7 hours ago, Charlotte Ram said: It would appear that Mel Morris was (apart from a few of us on here) the only one of the decision makers to see through Kirchner, and hence his refusal to sell him the ground. Mel would have sold his grandma to the Martians if the price was right, that's what stopped the deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 I get the impression that Kirchner was more deluded than deceiving. I believe he thought he had the wealth and was just a muppet. kevinhectoring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) I love all this 'he's not really a bad guy' stuff. I bet you wouldn't mind working for no pay for a few months, who'd pay your mortgage and finance your Ferrari car insurance? ? Edit: oh and of course Rooney was 'offering' our sacked staff their jobs back on the basis of Kirchner's takeover! Edit, edit: Oh and of course the sacked 'whistle-blowers' who tried to warn investors. Edited July 21, 2022 by RoyMac5 LeedsCityRam, RadioactiveWaste, Nishfan and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Mel would have sold his grandma to the Martians if the price was right, that's what stopped the deal! He did, They came and picked her up... RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk Thrust Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Ewetube said: That's a really interesting thought! What is it they say about shipping bulls to a bull-shipper? Eh? No, what do they say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Lots claiming "I told you so". Lots admitting they were taken in. As for my own perceptions, and in keeping with the go-to phrase in that article, I will refrain from commenting at this point, if that's ok! ? RAM1966 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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