The Administration Thread

[NottsRam]

12 hours ago, Foreveram said:

On sale tomorrow to anyone that’s watched them once this season home or away. Next week they’ll be crawling out of the woodwork moaning they couldn’t get a ticket despite being a lifelong supporter.?

They already are.  I know a few so called red dogs who are bemoaning the ticket allocation as they haven't been since they last got in the play offs ffs

[CornwallRam]

I think that the Buchanan extension is very significant. Our embargo was so rigid that we couldn't even extend Jagielka. Something had obviously changed dramatically. 

The best case is that the takeover is complete and they are just waiting to announce it. However, the worst case is that the EFL have relaxed the restrictions in order that we will be able to field a team, even if we're still in adminstration - presumably subject to Quantuma finding the cash. Not perfect, but at least we would still have a club next season. 

I also wonder if its something to do with dropping into League 1. Maybe because P&S no longer applies to us, some of the restrictions and punishments don't apply.

[Oldben]

Succeeding in League one

Spend Big?

The riskiest strategy is to keep spending at a division higher level. Many minor league teams overspend to get a shot at the big level. To avoid spending a season in the second division, these teams typically lose their great players who do not want to go down with the ship.

Bringing in proven talent and expertise has significant benefits. These are usually excellent players who can be sold when things don't go as planned. They can also mentor your junior squad members. Their reliability makes them the backbone of your team.

However, their salary and transfer fees might be high. There's also no assurance a transfer will go as planned, so when every dollar counts, they are risky bets. These people may be a costly to Derby if the club fails to reclaim the championship tier.

However its true that those teams that have spent the most are mostly in the playoffs or looking at automatic promotion.

Spend Smart?

Losing a division generally means wage cuts, so finding cheap replacements is crucial. It's important to be able to quickly and economically replace players. You should aim for certain players.

1. Emerging youngsters;

2. The out-of-contract established players;

3. Rejects from a top club.

Even successful transfers may fail for unexplained reasons, but strong scouting can reduce chances of that happening.

Next free agents, a manager knows that one man's garbage is another's treasure. The listings of retired players may include some hidden gems, although old legs don’t go so far especially in the physical league one.

Next Loan players, a disadvantage of a loan is that some players are too young to make an immediate impression. However, some can compete and even flourish at lesser levels.

Bargain older players have drawbacks. An old player with season or two is all you'll sign on a bargain. Injured or physically declining players will be the most common ones you sign. Your scouts matter. Without a network, there will be no transactions.

Focus On The Academy?

Benefits Of …

1.      It’s cheap

2.      The fans usually love it

3.      It’s long term planning

Disadvantages

1.      The academy is largely barren, many of our best talents been sold already or are likely to leave in the summer.

2.      Youngsters often fail and are inconsistent

3.      It’s long term planning, and its unhealthy for Derby to spend a long time in league one as there’s little financial return in league one

[Ghost of Clough]

1 minute ago, CornwallRam said:

I think that the Buchanan extension is very significant. Our embargo was so rigid that we couldn't even extend Jagielka. Something had obviously changed dramatically. 

The best case is that the takeover is complete and they are just waiting to announce it. However, the worst case is that the EFL have relaxed the restrictions in order that we will be able to field a team, even if we're still in adminstration - presumably subject to Quantuma finding the cash. Not perfect, but at least we would still have a club next season. 

I also wonder if its something to do with dropping into League 1. Maybe because P&S no longer applies to us, some of the restrictions and punishments don't apply.

Difference between Buchanan and Jagielka/Marriott is the type of extension. Buchanan's extension was in his contract, an option the club and/or the player could choose to apply. Jagielka and Marriott didn't have an option in their existing contracts, so were given new contracts.

[Indy]

21 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Difference between Buchanan and Jagielka/Marriott is the type of extension. Buchanan's extension was in his contract, an option the club and/or the player could choose to apply. Jagielka and Marriott didn't have an option in their existing contracts, so were given new contracts.

Might be wrong, but I thought Marriot’s was an extension option in his existing contract. We wanted to extend purely to be in a position to command a transfer fee, admittedly - but that’s neither here nor there. 

[Ghost of Clough]

1 minute ago, Indy said:

Might be wrong, but I thought Marriot’s was an extension option in his existing contract. We wanted to extend purely to be in a position to command a transfer fee, admittedly - but that’s neither here nor there. 

New contract which would have extended his stay at the club for an extra year

Edited May 24, 2022 by Ghost of Clough

[PistoldPete]

28 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Difference between Buchanan and Jagielka/Marriott is the type of extension. Buchanan's extension was in his contract, an option the club and/or the player could choose to apply. Jagielka and Marriott didn't have an option in their existing contracts, so were given new contracts.

Fair comment. Except still doesn’t explain how it could ever be fair or reasonable to force a club to tear up a previously agreed contract with a player ,and force  the club instead to let him leave for nothing. 

[Eddie]

3 hours ago, Stive Pesley said:

I'm impressed that you explained all of this without the use of the word "pundit" ?

Or even not having punned it.

[Rich84]

5 hours ago, Crewton said:

https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2022/05/pitch-work-begins-as-rams-start-202223-preparations

Outline spec is in that piece from the OS. Not relaying, as you say, but quite extensive work. Main point is it don't come cheap and someone must be footing the ball, unless the company doing it are philanthropists. 

I very much doubt Talbot Turf are doing it without guarantees of payment or upfront seeing as they are one of Mel's out of pocket creditors.... I'd have thought they would be putting a significant mark-up to try to recover some of the lost dosh

[SirBrian]

45 minutes ago, Oldben said:

Succeeding in League one

Spend Big?

The riskiest strategy is to keep spending at a division higher level. Many minor league teams overspend to get a shot at the big level. To avoid spending a season in the second division, these teams typically lose their great players who do not want to go down with the ship.

Bringing in proven talent and expertise has significant benefits. These are usually excellent players who can be sold when things don't go as planned. They can also mentor your junior squad members. Their reliability makes them the backbone of your team.

However, their salary and transfer fees might be high. There's also no assurance a transfer will go as planned, so when every dollar counts, they are risky bets. These people may be a costly to Derby if the club fails to reclaim the championship tier.

However its true that those teams that have spent the most are mostly in the playoffs or looking at automatic promotion.

Spend Smart?

Losing a division generally means wage cuts, so finding cheap replacements is crucial. It's important to be able to quickly and economically replace players. You should aim for certain players.

1. Emerging youngsters;

2. The out-of-contract established players;

3. Rejects from a top club.

Even successful transfers may fail for unexplained reasons, but strong scouting can reduce chances of that happening.

Next free agents, a manager knows that one man's garbage is another's treasure. The listings of retired players may include some hidden gems, although old legs don’t go so far especially in the physical league one.

Next Loan players, a disadvantage of a loan is that some players are too young to make an immediate impression. However, some can compete and even flourish at lesser levels.

Bargain older players have drawbacks. An old player with season or two is all you'll sign on a bargain. Injured or physically declining players will be the most common ones you sign. Your scouts matter. Without a network, there will be no transactions.

Focus On The Academy?

Benefits Of …

1.      It’s cheap

2.      The fans usually love it

3.      It’s long term planning

Disadvantages

1.      The academy is largely barren, many of our best talents been sold already or are likely to leave in the summer.

2.      Youngsters often fail and are inconsistent

3.      It’s long term planning, and its unhealthy for Derby to spend a long time in league one as there’s little financial return in league one

The academy may be barren at the moment, one advantage that the academy as, is Darren Wassel and his staff who have proven over the years how good they are in finding lads who have been let go by premier clubs, Plange was one who came via this route.

Any young player would love to come to Derbys academy, with the success and ammount of players who have come through and are making their living in the PL or Championship, once again the academy will be our way forward in the revival of Derby County.

[RAM1966]

3 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

Seems unlikely. If there’s a tough negotiation going on I think it’s unlikely he’ll be providing further funding.  
 

(unless he’s selling it as an organic farm for 23m (that’s a joke please don’t worry B4 we’ll be at PP next season) )

He will have no option if it forms part of the lease agreement...

[kevinhectoring]

1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said:

extension. Buchanan's extension was in his contract, an option the club and/or the player could choose to apply

Hmmm if LB or the club could exercise the option, then perhaps LB exercised it and the EFL agreed the embargo did not apply ?

[Ghost of Clough]

2 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

Hmmm if LB or the club could exercise the option, then perhaps LB exercised it and the EFL agreed the embargo did not apply ?

No idea. It's another in a very long list of rules the EFL choose to keep hidden from the public

[Dan_Ram]

1 hour ago, CornwallRam said:

I think that the Buchanan extension is very significant. Our embargo was so rigid that we couldn't even extend Jagielka. Something had obviously changed dramatically. 

The best case is that the takeover is complete and they are just waiting to announce it. However, the worst case is that the EFL have relaxed the restrictions in order that we will be able to field a team, even if we're still in adminstration - presumably subject to Quantuma finding the cash. Not perfect, but at least we would still have a club next season. 

I also wonder if its something to do with dropping into League 1. Maybe because P&S no longer applies to us, some of the restrictions and punishments don't apply.

Believe it is in the EFL regulations that you cannot start a new season if you have entered administration during the previous one. We won’t be starting next season still in admin… one way or t’other.

[TheSlate]

Just now, Dan_Ram said:

Believe it is in the EFL regulations that you cannot start a new season if you have entered administration during the previous one. We won’t be starting next season still in admin… one way or t’other.

Not correct.

[kevinhectoring]

3 minutes ago, Dan_Ram said:

Believe it is in the EFL regulations that you cannot start a new season if you have entered administration during the previous one. We won’t be starting next season still in admin… one way or t’other.

I’d though the rule was you can’t start successive seasons in admin ? (And obviously we went into admin after last season had started )

[Ghost of Clough]

3 minutes ago, Dan_Ram said:

Believe it is in the EFL regulations that you cannot start a new season if you have entered administration during the previous one. We won’t be starting next season still in admin… one way or t’other.

We didn't start last season in administration. EFL rules allow us to stay in administration whilst staying in the League until March, superseded by another EFL rule which requires clubs to prove they can see out the full season.

Essentially, EFL need proof a takeover will take place before the season starts, but we then have a number of months to ensure it is completed.

[jimtastic56]

1 hour ago, Indy said:

Might be wrong, but I thought Marriot’s was an extension option in his existing contract. We wanted to extend purely to be in a position to command a transfer fee, admittedly - but that’s neither here nor there. 

Little bit concerned about this as well. Are we doing it just to get a small fee? Would like the club to put a nice happy picture of Lee with a pen in his hand signing something. ( And a quote from Lee saying “It was a no- brainier” )

[Oldben]

1 hour ago, SirBrian said:

The academy may be barren at the moment, one advantage that the academy as, is Darren Wassel and his staff who have proven over the years how good they are in finding lads who have been let go by premier clubs, Plange was one who came via this route.

Any young player would love to come to Derbys academy, with the success and ammount of players who have come through and are making their living in the PL or Championship, once again the academy will be our way forward in the revival of Derby County.

I agree with you, I'm just saying that the academy requires time to rebuild.

Players take time to step up.

I'm concerned about players the wrong side of 32 being relied on as well, so we get linked with Bardsley.

 

[Gaspode]

18 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

Little bit concerned about this as well. Are we doing it just to get a small fee? Would like the club to put a nice happy picture of Lee with a pen in his hand signing something. ( And a quote from Lee saying “It was a no- brainier” )

Given that we have half a team under contract for next season, would you rather the club allowed an Engalnd U21 international to simply walk away at the end of his contract? The 'no brainer' bit is extending his contract and either playing him next season or else selling him for a relatively decent fee.....