Van der MoodHoover Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said: In what parallel universe would spending the thick end of £15 mill on Anya, Butterfield and Johhnson give 'the impression the club was being run responsibly'? We're not complicit, not at all, but let's not pretend we were hoodwinked either. But it's not the headline fees that were the problem. It was the ludicrous wages (weren't clear when the players signed), plus the shambolic mismanagement which meant that they fully depreciated. The total cost of ownership was ruinous, but you could only realise that once they'd left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: But it's not the headline fees that were the problem. It was the ludicrous wages (weren't clear when the players signed), plus the shambolic mismanagement which meant that they fully depreciated. The total cost of ownership was ruinous, but you could only realise that once they'd left. This is true, plus a succession of managers who couldn't get the best out of said players. Not entirely their fault as there was such a mishmash of playing styles over a very short period of time. We really lost our playing identity. Then those cheeky little sub-clauses that triggered contract extensions. Gosh, it was any number of cumulative small disasters! bcnram, Miggins, Asanovic70 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 43 minutes ago, rufus said: How can the Derby faithful be to blame ? Ridiculous ! But you should add Covid and Brexit to your list and maybe BoJo. Obviously it's not the fans. However, that @Curtainsfellah.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: But it's not the headline fees that were the problem. It was the ludicrous wages It's both. Are you seriously saying that even with the benefit of hindsight, that you think we got value for money? Players signed for big money tend to earn big money. The two rather go hand in hand. Most folk who are saying now, 'I would have done this differently' and 'I wouldn't have done that' are simply past-posting because by and large, most revelled in the 'Sam always gets his man' era without ever questioning his methods. Mel's biggest failure was that he bought into the pipedream too and let Mel the fan overrule Mel the businessman, a failing for which both he and the club have paid a heavy price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 59 minutes ago, rufus said: How can the Derby faithful be to blame ? Ridiculous ! But you should add Covid and Brexit to your list and maybe BoJo. What's ridiculous is fans insisting that they are being blamed when they are not. Literally nobody is making that point! RadioactiveWaste, GB SPORTS and LeedsCityRam 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said: What's ridiculous is fans insisting that they are being blamed when they are not. Literally nobody is making that point! Even when you start a post saying 'i'm not blaming the fans' you get accused of blaming fans. More strawmen than the Wizard of Oz auditions. GB SPORTS, kevinhectoring, Comrade 86 and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 16 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said: It's both. Are you seriously saying that even with the benefit of hindsight, that you think we got value for money? Players signed for big money tend to earn big money. The two rather go hand in hand. Most folk who are saying now, 'I would have done this differently' and 'I wouldn't have done that' are simply past-posting because by and large, most revelled in the 'Sam always gets his man' era without ever questioning his methods. Mel's biggest failure was that he bought into the pipedream too and let Mel the fan overrule Mel the businessman, a failing for which both he and the club have paid a heavy price. If players are played regularly, do OK then they attract bids from other clubs so that you can get a significant chunk of the transfer fee back. Wages are always sunk costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 5 hours ago, Pearl Ram said: And by the way, can anyone tell me if Pearce is still taking a wage from the club ? Has there been any suggestion he was terminated? I’d have though he is indispensable as the only person who knows where the bodies are buried Pearl Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 29 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said: What's ridiculous is fans insisting that they are being blamed when they are not. Literally nobody is making that point! I’m so sick of fans blaming fans for insisting they are being blamed. I blame the fans Comrade 86, GB SPORTS and GboroRam 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: Has there been any suggestion he was terminated? I’d have though he is indispensable as the only person who knows where the bodies are buried Pearce would have only part buried the bodies. Dig a six foot hole you say Mel? How about we dig the hole in stages, let’s just go a few inches deep initially and revisit this annually. You know a few more inches. No, no, don’t nail me down on specifics. After 5 years, perhaps with a 1 year extension, I can get behind the fact that the body is then beyond the useful life of an asset. kevinhectoring, Rev, Miggins and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 5 hours ago, Pearl Ram said: Maybe that’s because they were under the impression the club was being run responsibly and any investment was budgeted for. Well said. Pearl Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 I don’t think the spending of the money got the fans backing. What it did was put them into a mind set we were spending big and as with other big spenders success will follow. Fans don’t judge a club by how much it spends it but on its success. The fans thought that would follow and went with it. I assume they thought we’d just throw more money at it and that’s what it looked like. Now the opposite has happened it isn’t the fans fault they support the team and want the best results for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Leeds Ram Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, sage said: A philosophical point. The grass isn't always greener etc. I guess I got confused due to the more technical engagement with our specific case as opposed to sticking to a broader philosophical point about spending. I'd still maintain that people being deceived by a false prospectus is different from the 'be careful for what you wish for' idea though. Edited November 11, 2021 by Leeds Ram Rev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeram Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 11 hours ago, CBRammette said: Yes but I think he believed the outcome would be promotion Maybe he did, but, nevertheless, it was very irresponsible of him to gamble like that with the club. CBRammette and Miggins 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 The rot had set in when he who can't be named uttered the words "The Derby way". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Grumpy Git said: The rot had set in when he who can't be named uttered the words "The Derby way". I think we have been shafted 'The Derby Way'. Asanovic70 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 7 hours ago, Anag Ram said: I think we have been shafted 'The Derby Way'. Right up the A52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 This thread should have been strangled at birth ? LeedsCityRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 9 hours ago, Grumpy Git said: The rot had set in when he who can't be named uttered the words "The Derby way". Trouble with the authorities has always been “the Derby way” We should have expected it really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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