Ghost of Clough Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 23 hours ago, Kernow said: New amortisation policy then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Coconut's Beard said: The problem (well, one problem) we have is that with the EFL effectively trying to bully us into accepting a points penalty by withholding our right to operate under normal trading conditions is that if we accept it there won't be any recourse to an appeal to lessen the penalty at a later date. If we accept their 'deal', we cannot appeal. ...but that just makes you wonder how little they actually have on us, if they're so convinced of our guilt then what's stopping them just applying a punishment and letting us appeal it? They'll win the appeal, surely, without any problems, we're bang to rights...? It's being presented as them wanting to end this as quickly as we do, presented as them being 'reasonable' by entering into negotiations but is anyone actually buying that? Of course they're not being reasonable, they're trying to get as much from us as possible, a far higher punishment than is actually warranted by our actions, without their decision being scrutinised by a third party. It's practically extortion - if they get away with this what else will they get away with in future? It’s fairly obvious in my mind that we accepted a harsher suspended punishment than Sheffield Wednesday accepted regarding our last payment of wages issue after last Christmas - once bitten twice shy I would say. Reading FC have breached F&P but no charges ( we haven’t actually been had that factually proven) - there is and it seems there never will be a consistent and fair ending to any club in its dealings with the EFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 21 hours ago, Wolfie said: I don’t buy this not gaining an advantage by what we did guff. There has to be a reason why 71 clubs do it one way and we did it another. Obviously that’s what the club would claim but is utter tosh. We got found out and need to agree the punishment ASAP. I dont knownif anyone else has answered you, but I will just in case. The question would be whether we gained an unsporting advantage. Ie. Would we have failed under an acceptable amortisation policy. If we didn't fail under the amortisation policy, then it would simply be a sporting advantage. The same way increased sponsorship allows you to sign a player on higher wages, or a bigger attendance allows you to spend more than Wycombe or Blackpool. It's very likely that without the stadium sale it would be classed as an unsporting advantage, whereas it would be a sporting advantage with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 42 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: They just don’t. They are saying: we don’t think your accounts comply. So either agree a penalty or we’ll charge you. That’s the poker game we’re in Where have they said our accounts don't comply? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, ram59 said: What I can't understand with the EFL, is that why aren't clubs who get promoted to the Premier after breaking FFP rules, not subject to a points deduction on return to the championship? The likes of QPR and Bournemouth should have started their first season back in the championship on negative points. They both agreed to a form of financial punishment - I have no idea where the money went? why haven’t the EFL already charged Aston Villa then - because they are not in the EFL which is nonsense they should still be charged in their absence with any punishment pending their EFL return if it ever happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 minute ago, G STAR RAM said: Where have they said our accounts don't comply? They haven't yet - that's the point - We assume at this point they've seen our accounts and they think we're in breach - But they don't seem to be confident enough to outright reject them otherwise they'd have to go to another DC which didn't work out the way they wanted last time - So they seem to be having a staring contest with Morris and Pearce to see who will blink first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Crewton said: I agree that a few journalists and some opposition fans have previously and do still flag up how Leicester got to where they are, but the orthodoxy is they're a model for everyone to follow. I don't think I've come across a single Leicester fan who thinks they did anything wrong. They broke my window screen wipers when we played them in the cup so they are forever on my crime sheet club Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Where have they said our accounts don't comply? But if they thought what we served up was complaint, Rooney would have signed another 8 players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: But if they thought what we served up was complaint, Rooney would have signed another 8 players We are under transfer embargo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, cheron85 said: They haven't yet - that's the point - We assume at this point they've seen our accounts and they think we're in breach - But they don't seem to be confident enough to outright reject them otherwise they'd have to go to another DC which didn't work out the way they wanted last time - So they seem to be having a staring contest with Morris and Pearce to see who will blink first They have to justify to the clubs in the EFL who have to pay the legal costs of the EFL in all the next hearings that will have to take place - if they had us banged to rights on something real it would have been done because how could we actually argue? It’s interpretation pure and simple in my opinion and see you in the hearing. r_wilcockson and RoyMac5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: But if they thought what we served up was complaint, Rooney would have signed another 8 players Transfer embargo! and what if MM doesn’t want to pay 8 more players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, Sparkle said: They broke my window screen wipers when we played them in the cup so they are forever on my crime sheet club In fairness, they wouldn't have broke your wipers if you hadn't mown them down at high speed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 This thread... GenBr, GB SPORTS, NottsRam77 and 12 others 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Anag Ram said: Jarndyce and Jarndyce from Bleak House. Didn't that go on several generations until all the money was gone? An apt analogy. I would have thought neither side here would welcome the legal costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: Where have they said our accounts don't comply? Aren’t we restating them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Spanish said: Aren’t we restating them? Dean (hick) Saunders, Gee SCREAMER !! and Comrade 86 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malty Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Is eight more players part of the bluff? “If it wasn’t for the embargo, we’d have signed another 8 players”. With t this in mind and perhaps the fact that the accounts do comply with all relevant accounting policies after all than actually the sanction should be a credit of somewhere between +3 and +9 points. Perhaps the efl are trying to negotiate this down and that’s why we haven’t heard anything yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, Spanish said: Aren’t we restating them? Yes but we have had our punishment for the previously submitted accounts. If the restated accounts don't comply, which I'm sure is very simple to calculate, then they should charge us with breaching P&S rules. RadioactiveWaste and The Scarlet Pimpernel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 The difference between us and Villa, QPR, Bournemouth, Leicester is that we are guilty of not getting promoted. In fairness, Forest were also guilty of the same offence when they failed FFP and had an embargo (which was the maximum punishment at the time). atherstoneram, Rev, r_wilcockson and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Sparkle said: Transfer embargo! and what if MM doesn’t want to pay 8 more players? Hang on. If our accounts were acceptable to EFL, assuming HMRC is sorted, we would not be under embargo !! Your second point is an interesting one. Mel thinks that with the youngsters starting to shine, we don’t need to recruit heavily. So Rooney would say: you should have caved and agreed a points deduction before the window closed. And Mel would think: baalocks, you’ve got enough for now in the squad and in due course you can bring in some free agents Btw personally I don’t think Mel is a great poker player. He’s too emotional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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