Jayram

43 minutes ago, Premier ram said:

Nobody’s forcing you too

True. I’ll spend the £3500 I’ll save on something actually enjoyable next season. 
You can continue to endure Warneball as we drift along in League One midtable obscurity for years. 

2 hours ago, WilkoRam said:

I don’t agree with this idea that it’s now our turn to get behind them and cheer them on.

I’m sure we all got into football because it’s an entertaining game. We pay money (be that for a ticket and cost of travel or travelling to far off places to be able to pay for RamsTV) which many of us struggle with at the minute, in order to go and be entertained and have that enjoyment. 

The players, manager, coaches, etc get paid well to provide that entertainment. It’s not on us to mindlessly cheer each week, it’s for them to give us something to cheer about. We’ll sing and cheer and bounce if we’re entertained but it comes from them in my view. That has been missing recently, the entertainment has gone!

If the football is poor and boring then the atmosphere is likely to be negative and why shouldn’t it. Why should we accept paying money to be bored and frustrated for 90mins?

Absolutely agree. Why should I travel 210 miles every home game to watch the same s***, literally the same dismal garbage over and over again and be happy with it just because that’s what a ‘fan’ is supposed to do? f*** that; I spend a fortune on this club and I want to be entertained, not embarrassed by seeing my team being outfought and outplayed by giants of the game like Stevenage.

59 minutes ago, Rammy03 said:

Or he wants to give him time. We're 5 points off the playoffs with 2 games in hand. We are poor but we're in October. The season can be salvaged.

We’ve been poor since February. We’re going nowhere this season or next with Warne in charge. 

1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said:

Warne is a poor technical coach. There is no future with him that leads to success.

But Clowes is seemingly making his stand.

He got rid of Rosenior which was a huge error, but one Clowes is reluctant to admit by doubling down and sticking with Warne.

 

 

I wonder if he’ll still be making that stand next season when our attendances drop below 20,000 and revenues slump. I for one won’t be renewing my ST or spending my hard earned money to watch the garbage I’ve seen. I can’t stand Warneball. 

2 hours ago, BramcoteRam84 said:

Well done Mr Warne his staff and the players, the perfect response to the criticism (some of which is over the top and complete nonsense). I wasn’t at the game last night (sunning myself in the Riviera Maya in Mexico) but from reading reports listening to the Rams Daily and seeing the stats it was exactly the front foot dominant performance we’ve been crying out for, albeit against a team that didn’t offer a lot despite their dominant defeat against Wigan at the weekend.

To be honest I don’t have an issue with the Shrewsbury defeat or the Cheltenham draw, the away form is still decent and vastly improved on last season, a draw against Stevenage would be fine. The home form is the key, it’s critical to our chance and so far the reason we’re outside the top 6. We need more of the same against Northampton next week and we need to continue our good run (1 defeat in 9!!!) but add a few more wins. 
 

Still think the vale game at the end of November is the time to judge, I was fearful though after the reaction on Saturday, a turgid draw or defeat last night and his position would start to look very precarious. 

How can you say that? They were terrible results against 2 of the worst teams in this division! The very teams we need to beat in order to progress this season. Beating a team at home who have just lost 5 in a row doesn’t change that.

5 hours ago, DCFC Kicks said:

I wonder how low the attendance will be. 

-2 from Oxford. We’re both ST holders but personally I just can’t face a full day at work followed by a 210 round trip to PP and getting home past midnight on the off chance that we might put in a season changing performance. If we were motoring up the table and playing decent football I might be tempted but not at the moment.
 

3 minutes ago, Dean (hick) Saunders said:

Not that I’m telling people what to do/think, but surely you do need to consider the basis as to why the different manager being proposed will get something better out of the same players.

I mean. Let’s pick Rowett for example. Many disliked his football and he had some pretty decent players compared to now. What is swapping to him going to result in different outcomes. Just “not being PW” is not a basis for such a choice.

I’d be done with this club if we had Rowett back. My dad is a Millwall supporter and when he was appointed there  I told him that Rowett would play awful percentage football, he wouldn’t get you relegated but he wouldn’t get you promoted, and you’ll end up hating him. 

Turns out I was right! 

15 hours ago, Eatonram said:

One year into a four year contract. He isn’t going anywhere. We just have to be patient. If we played like we did at Blackpool this thread would not exist. 
 

perhaps the players could bear some responsibility? Just a thought. 

Well if he isn’t ‘going anywhere’ Mr Clowes had better be prepared to adjust next seasons budget to allow for sub 20,000 attendances and the loss of revenue streams across the whole club, because the level of interest will collapse among a sizeable section of the support. 
As for the players bearing responsibility, how about the manager taking responsibility instead? It’s his crap football that has decent players looking like Sunday league donkeys and leaving us as near to the bottom three of this crap league as we are to the top three. 

1 minute ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Agreed. I can understand some of it to a point, and don’t want to get into the blame game as to why, just sad that the unity of a couple of years ago feels like such a distant memory.

Absolutely agree. I travelled home and away during that -21 point season and I've never been prouder to be a Rams fan. Feels like a thousand years ago. 

1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said:

 

It makes me so sad to see the disconnect between our players and fans at the moment. Its a real f****** shame. 

I don't where we go from here. We are pottering about in midtable and as near to the bottom 3 as the top 2. The toxicity between (some) fans and players/management is becoming a real issue and the whole atmosphere around the club is awful. Something has to change and change soon because we can't go on like this. 

6 hours ago, oodledoodle said:

You're boiling down criticism of Warne to entitlement, despite knowing damn well that's not the case. I'd not care if we were non-league, as long as the football on display was to the best of our ability, and I was excited to go and watch the team play at the weekend. Very, very rarely have I seen anyone posting criticism on this forum that could be boiled down to simple entitlement.

Apologies if I've misunderstood your intended meaning with the top 2 comment. It just sounded very dismissive of fair criticism of us as a club at the moment.

Exactly this. Entitlement has nothing to do with the reason I am critical of Paul Warne. I am a ST holder, I was at Cheltenham and I’ll be at Stevenage in a couple of weeks as well. I am invested in the club and want us to do well. I don’t boo or abuse Warne or the players;  never have, never will. 
But I reserve the right to express my view on the style of football the team plays. I dislike it, it’s tedious, one dimensional and makes it really hard to enjoy watching my team. I don’t rate the manager and don’t think he will bring us success. I understand some fans would be happy to watch us grind out 1-0 wins all season if it got us promoted but i‘m not one of them. I want to be entertained and I think it’s possible to play good football at this level. 
Ultimately you pay your money and takes your choice and so my position is that I’m entitled to air my view’s as long as I’m not being personally insulting or abusive about anyone. I do however agree that there are far too many  Warne in/out threads on the forum.

36 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Having just watched the highlights back (which omit a couple of other half chances our profligate forward line failed to take) I genuinely don’t get those who are saying the overall performance wasn’t good enough. The result wasn’t good enough, but we created enough chances to win the game.
 

There was passing football, we did keep the ball on the floor at times and played it long at others, we did open them up both down the channels and through the middle, we failed to take the chances created. There’s no way, in the cold light of day, that performance is as bad as some make out. Their goal comes from us tarting around at the back and failing to clear it long, the one thing lots of people claim is the only thing this team does. 
The result was not good enough, the performance should have seen us win. 

Mate I was there yesterday and we did not play through the middle. When Bird came on he started to link up play but only out to the wings as per usual but then he got moved; there was absolutely no creativity in that middle. Warne even confirmed that he did not intend to play through midfield in his prickly post match interview. The performance wasn’t great against the worst team in this division by a country mile. In the cold light of day no other team in this division would be happy with either the performance or the result yesterday.

22 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said:

Unbeaten in 6 

4 points from 2 away games and its meltdown city 

good f****** grief ..parts of this fanbase 🙄🙈

Were you there today? I was, and apart from 15 minutes or so at the start of the second half it was poor; the same old same old. Ball pumped out wide, midfield bypassed, crosses into the box to no-one then rinse and repeat. NML was virtually non existent on the left as was Kane Wilson later. This against the worst team in the EFL, a team so bad they have broken records. Honestly if you really think todays performance can be defended you are just being deliberately obtuse. 
 

Now THAT is more like it. Solid attacking football with everyone involved giving it everything - just need to see that sort of performance at home. That's all I ever want from a Rams side - a really encouraging result and a good post match interview from Warne too. I'm looking forward to going to Cheltenham now.

Another Rams legend gone. top player, top bloke, RIP Frannie, thanks for the memories. 

7 hours ago, Tamworthram said:

I don’t think there are many honest supporter that would say it’s JUST about results or JUST about performances. The thing is though, the relative importance of these two factors fluctuates. For example, I would imagine that most people, including those attending, would rather take ugly wins at Blackpool and Cheltenham than scintillating draws or narrow undeserved defeats. Same probably applies to our next couple of home games. Right now, we need to get results in order to get us up in the mix for those automatic promotion places or at the very least the play offs. However, if we did manage to find ourselves in a strong position in the league, the importance of the performance may increase. 
 

Even your own scenario is an interesting example. Assuming PW is still the manager, would you be more likely to renew if we got promoted playing his style of football or if we just missed out on promotion but were somehow playing much more entertaining football? Maybe you’d say both criteria need to be met for you which, is fair enough.

If we got promoted I would probably grit my teeth and renew, because I think that PW would be found wanting very quickly at Championship level and he would probably be gone by Christmas. The second scenario seems unlikely but if he had some road to Damascus conversion to attractive flowing football then I’d have to seriously consider things, but I’m fairly confident he won’t.
I just want to watch some decent attractive football and to be proud of the team. Remember how we all felt in 2013/14 when we were playing teams off the park and scoring for fun? I know we are a long way off that level right now but something approximating it would be very welcome.

Wanting to see some entertaining football is not a lot to ask after 42 years of following the Rams is it?! 🙂

Some people on here say it’s a results business and it doesn’t matter about the style of football as long as we win. Maybe that’s true for some but it should also be about entertainment. It costs me around £3700 a season following the team home and away. I live over 100 miles from Derby so every game is an effort to get to, especially financially during a cost of living crisis such as we are in. For that effort and expenditure I’d like to see some exciting football, have something to look forward to every weekend. Instead, I’m finding reasons not to go to midweek home matches or away games that in other times I might have made the effort to attend. The only time I’ve felt this disinterested about the Rams before was during the latter end of Clough/Rowett era’s. I’m so bored I can barely be bothered but I keep plugging away in the hope that things will change, despite evidence to the contrary. 
It’s become simple for me. If PW doesn’t get us promoted at the end of this season and he is still the manager for the following season I will not be renewing my season ticket. I cannot face paying to watch another season of his brand of football.
 

44 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said:

We’d have been to the premier league by now if we’d have kept him… and that would have brought back those fickle fans who stopped attending under him 👀👀

Obviously. I mean he’s been stuck managing in League 2 for the last god knows how many years with no other club interested in having him as their manager, but if we’d have kept him we’d be smashing the Prem. 🙄

1 hour ago, davenportram said:

Sorry but we played decent stuff just couldn’t score when we had pressure on. Get grip, put your big boy pants on and realise that we have no divine right to promotion because we’re Derby County - big club who shouldn’t be in League 1.

We have arguably the best squad in this utterly s*** division and I honestly believe not one of the teams currently above us in the table could live with us if we had the right coach/manager running the show.  

8 minutes ago, nogbad van 50 said:

Exactly! Listened to Colin Gibson's post match thoughts regarding the fact that Warne doesn't really appear to rate some of Rosenior's signings but obviously can't say so.The players who currently beat the brunt of most of our frustrations are Collins,NML and Smith-all LR signings.Contracts for Hourihane,Smith,NML,Collins,Barks and Sibley expire next June and I won't miss any of them.Cashin and Bird ,however,will be big losses but that's where we are as a club,sadly.Fornah,Nelson and Nyambe are good additions and Ward,Wilson and Elder,when fit,should improve us.Like many others I feel frustrated but expecting instantaneous success after what we've been through is totally unrealistic.It took Fergie,the greatest,5 seasons to get it right at Utd!!

Warne is getting a lot of criticism,some of it well over the top,but I won't sit in "judgment" until the squad is full of his signings and not one where he's trying to get the best out of several players who are past there sell by date and only here because we were desperate for bodies and offering the chance of one last decent pay day.

Bloody hell that is depressing thought, our beloved football club full of ‘his’ type of players. By that point though at least I’ll probably be spending the money I would have spent on a season ticket on something more entertaining/enjoyable. A new Xbox possibly..🙂 

That is absolutely heartbreaking news. It puts everything including football into true perspective doesn’t it? I’m sure the club and staff will be supporting him all the way as should we. Maybe we can donate to a cancer charity of Josh’s choice or something. Thinking of him and his family. 

Ed Dawes wears his heart on his sleeve and is a Ram through and through; don’t get the animosity towards him. He’s a good commentator and I feel connected to him precisely because he’s one of us. Hope he’s ok. 

19 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

I have no problem playing badly every now and then and winning. 

Not all victories under McClaren were swashbuckling. I seem to recall one week where we registered three 1-0 wins in succession over Sheff Wed, Bournemouth and QPR in 2013/14 and none of them were pretty.

But it’s a complete cop out from the manager to say he’d take 20 1-0 wins playing crap, because it justifies playing crap.

Warne is a poor coach. Or his coaches are poor coaches. Playing the way he does requires the least amount of technical coaching. 

I just don’t see any long-term benefits playing this way. At some point Warne will have to adapt. 

I can be on board if Warne is just a stepping stone to getting out of League One and then we turn to somebody like Mowbray to progress.

But I’ve seen enough of Warne to know we have a poor coach on our hands and no long-term future with him (unless our goal is to remain a lower half Championship struggler).

 

Couldn’t put it better myself. 

FFS, back to 3 at the back again. Does he literally know no other bloody tactic?! We’ve got another 30 minutes to play!