Jayram

I’ve voted for ’leave immediately’. I’ve never rated him, was very disappointed when we appointed him and think he is way out of his depth at a club like this. He is tactically poor, the football is awful and the continual playing of players out of position to fit his ‘system’ speaks volumes for how limited he is. I don’t even trust him to spend the clubs money wisely on incoming transfers so I would not lose any sleep if he was to be dismissed tomorrow. 
 

1 hour ago, FindernRam said:

72 points over season, safe in mid table during a traumatic rebuild. Reckon he's safe. DC is hopefully looking longer term than just a few games.

That would see us finish in the lowest position in the 139 year history of this football club. Do you honestly think that would acceptable? I don’t. We have the players here to have a real crack at the top 6 and it’s only Warne and his s*** football that’s holding us back.

2 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

Ooh some football was played, in the first half.

Two worldies by Joe, kept us ahead, so MoM for me after considering Tommo and Wag&Wash.

Amazing what happens when you play a back four, have players playing in their favoured positions and pass the ball a bit isn’t it? Wasn’t pretty second half but a darn sight better than what’s gone before this season. 

12 hours ago, MadAmster said:

You've seen absolutely nothing positive in any of the games? We were at least as good as Wigan on the opening day. Gifted them both goals. The 2nd should have been chalked off by the ref for the foul on Cash. 20 shots to their 7. 4 on target to their 3. Good win at Burton. 

Blackpool was poor. Oxford were the better team yet we almost matched them for shots both on and off target. We're not going to roll teams up every week. There's been decent passages of play. We need to cut out  the individual errors for one. We also need to stop giving players like Oxford's Harris 10 yards of space in and around the box. Zonal marking? Ever seen a zone score? We need to pressure opposition players in our defensive third. There's a fair bit that needs fixing but that's what Warne is supposed to do. Here's hoping he gets it sorted.

Its the way we’re playing, the one dimensional tactics that make us look a shambles when they don’t work, the boring ugly style of football we’re having to endure, the hammering of square pegs into round holes Warne does week after week to try and make his rubbish system work and the total lack of a plan B when it doesn’t. These are the reasons some of us see absolutely nothing positive in any of the games. 

3 hours ago, Gerry Daly said:

It may not be the worst, but its probably the most dispiriting. The worst were probably around 1982/83. Players like Ian Dalziel, Yakka Banovic, Reg Greenwood, Mick Brolly, Billy Caskey, Calvin Plummer, Paul Emson, Glenn Skivington and Bobby Campbell    

I was a season ticket holder that season too and I can honestly say that as much as I hate the way we are playing now that 82/83 team were truly awful.

1 hour ago, Rampant said:

If you asked Norwich and Villa fans for their thoughts on Dean Smith you'd remove him from your list pronto.

Wilder had a great run at Northampton, Oxford and, up to a point, Sheff Utd, but failed badly at Boro (shame I know) who instantly improved under a novice in Carrick. 

 

I think that in the modern game certain managers are good at certain levels. Maybe Smith and Wilder just didn’t have what what it took at Prem level ultimately but at this level they would be a massive upgrade on what we have now in my view.

3 hours ago, 1of4 said:

Didn't know which of the finger pointing, blaming of who is responsible for three bad games threads to put this. So stuck it in here.

So what do the great and good who post on here want?

For many it looks like the removal of Warne is the favourite option. 

So what would need to take place for this to happen.

Clowes sacks Warne. Have the club got the finances to pay off, him and the rest of his management team? If they haven't, I can't see our owner wanting to stump up the cash from his own pocket.

OK, so the club do find the money to pay Warne off. Who comes in as his replacement?

More importantly who is going to identify the right man for the job? Going by the comments of some, we can't leave that task to the person that brought Warne to the club. Maybe as as been suggested, we could appoint a director of football to carry this out. But who should we get as DF and again who is going to identify a suitable candidate?

So what type of manager/coach should we be getting? Another manager that favours a system with 3 centrebacks and hope he can get the players specifically signed for that formation playing better. Or should it be someone who wants to play a flat back four? One that will if there's no more budget or time to bring in new players, have to shoehorn our existing players into roles they don't usually play.

Whatever type of manager we go for, is there any guarantee they can attract a better class of player than we presently can?

Lastly if the new guy isn't working, how long should we wait before starting the whole process again?

Haven't we been on this carousel before and look how that end for us.

 

Off the top of my head, Chris Wilder, Dean Smith to name two. Obviously their wage demands might be beyond us but if not both of these would get more out of these current players than Warne, would play more attractive football and be able to attract better players. I think most of us just want to see a Derby team playing football, not this disorganised clueless garbage that seems to be the current Plan A.

9 hours ago, europia said:

Exactly what I eluded to in my post; getting used to operating within a budget that ensures DCFC maintains financially stability and avoids unsustainable debt. Considering our recent dire financial situation, there's no alternative to this strategy. 

If that’s the way forward so be it but the club will be a shadow of what it once was. 

9 hours ago, Andicis said:

We're 3 games in. Clearly Clowes didn't believe in Rosenior as a stand in, that's gone and is now completely irrelevant. What happens if the next guy doesn't get us up the first time? This time next year, people will want him gone. And we end up in the vicious cycle like we did with Mel. Fans never learn. 

I just want to see some actual football, the sort of football where decent players pass and move, knock the ball around stretching the opposition and create chances. The sort of football that makes you excited to go to a game, to be proud of your team. We have decent players in this squad. Instead though I’m watching the worst garbage I’ve seen from a Derby County side in 40+ years because of a manager with one tactic and one tactic only - hoof it up the middle or out to the wing and hope for the best. 

The fact that he’s hammering square shapes into round holes to try and make his ‘system’ work demonstrates the limitation of his abilities. He is the wrong man for the job, pure and simple.

2 minutes ago, JPRamFan said:

Roseniors results and performances were way better than this and he got the boot. I wonder what Clowes is thinking.

‘I’ve made a terrible mistake appointing this clueless clown and his mates’.

Hopefully.

Just now, caymanram said:

No sugar coating this. We look lost . No cohesion . 
PW must be seriously worried . Early days, yes, but the ‘team’ is just not a team.

 

It’s not early days though is it? We were consistently awful from the Wycombe away game onwards last season and it’s just getting worse and worse.This is honestly the worst football I’ve seen from a Derby County team in years and it’s all down to Warne and his abject footballing philosophy. 

9 hours ago, europia said:

Even without EFL restrictions I can only see the club operating within it's means. Considering the horrendous financial position that Mr Morris left the club in, it's totally understandable that the current owner isn't going to allow the club to spend more than it earns. Supporters will have to get used to that, and Warne presumably has bought into it.  

Get used to what? Years of treading water in League One and being bypassed by other clubs just so we can be ‘sustainable’? If that’s the plan then Mr Clowes will have to get used to attendances half the size of what we have now and half the revenue or sell the club because realistically there’s no way any club with ambition to get out of the lower leagues can do it sustainably, it’s a fantasy to think otherwise.

1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said:

Then either Warne plays them to their strengths, or sells them or we shouldn't have appointed him?

Exactly this!

8 hours ago, LittleEatonRam said:

Plus Barnsley, Charlton, Preston, Millwall, Southampton and Hull were all beaten by lower league opposition tonight (the latter by Donny despite being managed by the idolised Liam Rosenior). 

Wonder if their fans are all having nervous breakdowns as well?

Probably not because the majority of them (Hull aside) had excellent opening day results in the league against decent opposition and didn’t need a cup win to try and raise their fans spirits.

8 hours ago, plymouthram said:

I was one on this forum against having Warne as the Manager when Rosenior got elbowed out the door. I'm not going to state we could have done better with Liam, that we will never know. My biggest moan was forum members were all bleating on about his 3 promotions with Rotherham, but failed to mention the 2 relegations. They had a team that basically were good enough to compete at the top end of League one but got found out in the Championship.

Now that Warne's been a manager for approx 6 years and seems to have one style of play (3 at the back with wingbacks), it looks like other coaches know how to beat it. When Warne first took over at Derby, with the squad he inherited he could not play 3 CB's and played more often with 4 at the back. We shot up the league, looked odds on to finish easily in the top 4 positions. Then he tinkered with the team and we finished 7th.

I for one, was gobsmacked that he was appointed with a 4 year contract, getting rid now or later this season will cost the club (financially). I will still follow and support the team and hope we do get promotion come the end of the season, but this manager needs to have a plan B when his high press energy game with 3 CB's is'nt working in certain games.

That’s never going to happen; Paul Warne is the definition of a one trick pony.

2 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said:

Shocking isnt it

Its almost as if theyve only played 1 and a half competitive matches together 🙄🤦

I’ve already mentioned Wigans player turnover this summer and Blackpool have made 6 changes tonight so why isn’t it affecting those teams? Could it be that their managers are actually good at their job as opposed to the two bob fitness coach we are stuck with?!

2 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said:

Pretty simply

We made two massive defensive individual errors … did u not see them or something

on another day that game is put to bed and we dont f*** up indivivdually

warne doesnt carry the can for those sort of silly mistakes… the players own those two

Come on, it wasn’t just the mistakes/goals. They passed us off the park for long periods and looked like they had been playing together for years instead of weeks. 

We have no cohesion, the players look like they haven’t even met each other let alone had a pre season and it’s because the system doesn’t work, it’s one dimensional and the manager doesn’t seem to have any plan B. 

9 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said:

Thought he might have a clue as to being as he seems so convinced warne is not the answer

i said the fans would have to show patience 

i said bringing in this number of players would cause teething problems that would take time to iron out

i also said that some sections of the fanbase are incapable of patience and have a sense of entitlement that we should be winning every game from the word go ad would be moaning after a couple of games 

f*** im good 

Genuinely curious mate but how do you explain a team like Wigan who lost 16 players this summer managing to look like a solid cohesive ball playing unit on day one of the season compared to our collection of individuals who seem to have no idea what they are supposed to do? It can only be down to the manager and his coaching staff can’t it? 
This tonight is a shambles so far and there is no defending it or the coaching staff.

1 hour ago, maxjam said:

What if, as a now sustainable club, we haven't got 'decent money' to splash out anymore?

And even if we did, following years of having our academy pillaged and losing players to pay the bills, any money we had has been needed to fund around 10 players a season. 

Since exiting administration we've been playing catchup every summer, we haven't been in a position to drop £500k-£1m on a player that will make the difference come May, we're spreading it around the entire team.  If you look at some big teams that have escaped Lg1 in recent years, they had been down here a longer than us, started from a better position than us and still took their time to get promoted. 

We may not like it, but patience is a virtue.

Yes, patience is a virtue but this is football we’re talking about. If the business plan is to sell our best prospects and replace them with players bought for nominal fees year in year out to keep within budget fan interest will dwindle as will club revenue and we’ll be stuck down here for years. 
 

6 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

Don't shoot me down....but am concerned how things could pan out over the short to medium term - together with the EFLs "help" Clowes is intending to run the club as a sustainable business (not a bad thing after the previous owner may I add).

However....in my humble opinion with this business model the longer we remain in League 1 the harder it then becomes year on year to escape from this league.

Attendances drop, which then affect the club's revenue which potentially cover the cost of players wages. Our better or best players get sold to cover running costs of the club and next to nothing of the fees recouped then are able to be reinvested even moderately for adequate replacements and this cycle continues with us effectively competing with the other x amount of League clubs on an even platform for bargain basement players. 

I'm not advocating going back to the boom and bust era of MM but reflecting on the game yesterday we are still desperately short of adequate - and I use the word adequate rather than stellar or world class - additions in a number of key positions.

If our budget is constraining these additions being made or its DC financial prudency then I fear for this season.

Having a competitive budget means exactly that nothing more nothing less. If we are constrained by not being able to pay even modest transfer fees as that limits the amount of players we can then being in then any advantage we may lever over other clubs has virtually been eroded. 

Again I'm not saying the above is a necessarily bad thing but there are definite consequences to it if Warne isn't able to transpose his magic from Rotherham to our club in putting together a team of players with virtually no cost AND galvanising them into promotion candidates. 

I got shot down for saying something similar (but much less eloquently than you) just before the season started. The fact is that despite our tribal loyalty eventually if we end up in a cycle of selling our best youngsters and signing players for nominal fees to stay sustainable people will just drift away. Who wants to pay £28-£33 a game just to watch the likes of Stevenage or Fleetwood every season? Revenues will erode and eventually we’ll be just bobbing along in this league year in year out like Burton. There has to be some ambition and that requires spending some decent money on the standard of player who will make a difference, starting now if possible.

15 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said:

True - absolute agree. the only caveat I’d say is how many of their players are new? 
 

 

Well they have lost 16 players from their first team squad since the end of last season so most of them!

Something has to change; play to the strengths of the players we have instead of trying to force a system on them for a start. Several of our players looked in my view out of position and were thus rendered ineffective (NML, Bird) and in midfield it was the same old same old. The number of times our players had the ball and were trying to find options but couldn’t was ridiculous. 
Wigan should have been there for the taking; they have lost 16 players from their first team squad since the end of last season including their top scorer and yet they looked much more comfortable, composed and well drilled than us all game. 
 

8 hours ago, rammieib said:

Imagine him with some decent players around him/in front of him

And a decent manager.

9 hours ago, CornwallRam said:

A manager with 3 promotions from this division. 

And 3 relegations the seasons after..

1 hour ago, The Last Post said:

Pop over to the Waghorn thread, I said fans will decide DCs tenure next season, Oooops looks to be a year to early, Coming out of the ground all I heard was Warne out, Fans are fickle/entitled and think they know best...one game in and the knives are out.

It takes time...but it looks as tho the clock is ticking already FFS 🙄

It was a disappointing result at home on the first day of a season with some of the same failings as before being seen, so it’s hardly surprising there is some disquiet. It been painfully obvious we need more creativity in midfield and other options up front but this still hasn’t been addressed for whatever reason. That said I don’t think DC will be bothered by a few fans venting no more than PW.