Norman

Anyone travelling to this is, in my opinion, naive if they think this won't turn nasty. Whether those fans have tickets or not. 

I can't see the concourses and away seats being left as they were found. 

I expect a really heavy police presence with people needing to show tickets to get near the ground. Hopefully they don't restrict ticket numbers. 

The MPs who have just got involved are obviously going to be worried by everything they are finding out. But let's be honest, nothing new has come out since that we didn't already know. 

The EFL will go to the wall of we go under. No doubt about it. You can't protect yourselves from being sued, at the detriment to a founding football club. 

But we won't be going under. The pressure on the EFL is immense. Since Monday they have received outside pressure and scrutiny like never before.

They will crack. 

In the meantime, it looks like the funding is there to carry on, we haven't lost more players for nothing, and we can still stay up. 

I'm not sure why people think the latest from that meeting is bad. 

On Monday, I don't think our MPs, other club's fans, the media, or the Sports Minister knew the underhanded nature of the EFL. 

I think 2 days later everyone knows the position and it makes the EFL look massively incompetent at best. 

I think the EFL have no choice but to back down and throw the claims out. I'm at the point where I feel confident about it. 

Can we get a mod to make a thread with all of the EFL's wrongdoings over the last 2 years.  Have the thread open for people to list the points and then close it and pin it? 

Bullet point format including the likes of the stadium valuation fiasco  using Morcambe's ground as a template, to telling MPs to not make public statements? 

It can then be sent to MPs and the media who have just got involved and who will be unaware of how long and ridiculous this whole process has been.

8 minutes ago, Warwick Ram said:

Mr Parry has very quickly responded to my last email. He states that Neil Bausor is not present when they debate the legal claims.

He also states that the new demands are not new. So either the administrators are not being honest or the EFL are.

Either way I actually think the administrators thought this would be done by January at the latest making this demand null and void.

Then things haven’t panned out leaving them in a tight spot.

Has he not, In another email reply, denied knowing what the legal claims are?

But here is Neil being removed from the room to discuss the claims. 

Kieran Maguire used on Central News to provide expert analysis on the situation. Added nothing of substance. 

duck off you Bamford. 

11 minutes ago, nottingram said:

It is starting to look a little bit like the EFL are going to be under serious pressure to do something about it.

At the moment it looks like Derby have bids that would appear to be credible enough to take to the creditors, which meet legal requirements. The EFL simply cannot be seen to let a club in that situation go to the wall. The bidders know that, Quantuma know that, we all know it and the EFL know it too. 

One thing I found amazing this weekend was Parry saying he was not aware of the legitimacy of the claims as he hadn’t seen them. Of course you’d expect him not to comment on them, but the chairman of the EFL has not taken the time to study the claims, from one EFL club to another, that might see one of his clubs go out of business. Just utterly ludicrous and shows the arrogance of not just him but the EFL as a whole. I suspect he will be making sure he is aware of what the claims entail soon.

Not only that, but he sits on a board which has a club representative that includes the CEO of Middlesbrough.....

Someone he will talk to regularly, have personal contact details to and will see in person. 

Yet he still doesn't know what the claim is that potentially could send a founder club to the wall. 

Rick Parry. You come across as incompetent. Or worse than incompetent. But I won't write that on here. 

3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Well then there is your answer. They are following 'their own' insolvency rules. Those rules don't comply with current law.

That's my point. The replies look like arse covering. They are applying their rules. 

You just can't have outdated rules that allegedly break the law. It's a shambles. We really should have Jagielka and Shinnie still at the club. 

1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said:

So someone email Parry and ask if EFL rules are in line with current law?

He, or whoever has been replying, has been avoiding answering direct questions with a yes or a no. The petition deals with this point, so hopefully pressure is now being applied by MPs, the administrators, Mike Ashley, creditors and the media with the backing of 40,000 football fans and counting. 

Unfortunately for the EFL, we aren't Bury or Wigan. We're Derby. 

The answers from Rick Parry's email address that consistently take the line of something like 'we have to comply with our own insolvency rules' now seem to make more sense. 

Denial. And some arse covering. 

Why the duck has the EFL not released a statement this morning informing the fans and correcting the 'misinformation'. If they care about the fans, surely they should notify of us of the administrators' incompetence? We all know the answer by now. 

I don't think they have just discovered it. I think they went into the meeting with it. The EFL threw it out and the administrators thought the EFL were not complying with law, hence the statement on Friday. 

Since then, I'm guessing they have found out that the EFL rules haven't changed since the law was, and this is why the meeting went so badly on Friday. Challenge the rule, with fan power meaning it has to be done quickly, and it all falls into place. 

5 minutes ago, S8TY said:

Yes good idea as unfortunately this current petition is pretty fruitless by all accounts 

the government one carries more clout and when it’s up and running I’m going to get my Millwall West Ham Chelsea Tottenham and Arsenal mates to put it on there forums as they all ( my mates ) think it’s scandalous how we’re being treated 

The government one doesn't carry any more clout apart from you get an automated response and if it hits 100,000 you get 5 minutes in Parliament to discuss it in a month's time. 

That one needs doing when this is all done. A petition for a proper investigation. Right now, we need signatures to push this into mainstream media, so I don't know why you would wait to share it. 

Djokovic had tested positive for Covid in the middle of December. 

He was less of cause for concern as far as the virus is concerned than someone who had received their second jab 3 months a go and was sat in the stands watching. 

I don't care if Australia want him there or not, but to say it was a decision on health grounds is just wrong. 

5 minutes ago, Barney1991 said:

Shinnie fee is 30k according to Nixon. How the hell does that help us see out the season 

We signed him on a free transfer and sold him for 30k profit. We will be well under the FFP limit at this rate? 

Won't we? 

18 minutes ago, GenBr said:

Change.org is just an American company leaching money from people. Their website doesn't do anything. There are petitions with millions of signatures on there that the government hasn't even looked at. 

Our piddle few little signatures will have no effect on Change.org. The government petition requires them to respond at certain levels. At the moment people are having more luck contacting their local MPs in any case.

The message has been clear from the start. Don't donate, you don't get leached. 

We don't need automated responses from the government. We just need a place where a load of signatures have been collected and then when you email your local MP/DET/Rick Parry/EFL, you can link to it and I'm pretty sure 20 to 30 thousand signatures then has some weight. And I'm pretty sure the administrators would be thankful of the backing and that the fans have a general grasp of what is going on. 

It's not a piddle, is it? It's a concerted effort to raise awareness. 

7 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

Signed

... then read the posts about it being totally pointless, as the petition's in the wrong part of the internet!

I really hope today improves!   

It's really not in the wrong place. We don't need this debating in parliament in a few week's time. We need signatures on a platform that will gather attention now. 

All we need Is the press to pick up on it, and hopefully get 25,000 signatures by the end of today. Then hopefully it will snowball. 

4 minutes ago, Eatonram said:

I emailed more than 10 hours ago and asked directly if under Uk insolvency laws do the EFl see the Boro and Wycombe claims as  “creditors”     No reply so far after 10 hours

 

And that is everything we need to know. 

******** replies about misleading information but can't answer a straight forward question that would stop all the misleading information. 

duck off Rick. 

If misleading information is getting out there, and it isn't helpful, put out a statement rectifying the incorrect or misleading information. 

The only leaks to the press seem to be coming from the EFL, which would mean the misleading information is coming from themselves.

21 minutes ago, Ram@Lincoln said:

As has already been said, please do NOT donate on this petition. Your donation isn't going to the club. It's going to Change to pay their server bills, that's it. They are very crafty.

This petition does nothing, get it on the government website and then they'll have to respond. 

Whilst I agree on the donation point, it isn't doing nothing. It's providing a platform where we can get in contact with the Sports Minister and point them in the direction of a petition that looks like it will have well over 10,000 people on it. 

The Sports Minister cannot ignore it. Government site or not. 

It's flying now. Over 5,000. 

I feel like the majority of the fan base is now united and have a decent enough understanding of what the EFL are up to. 

It feels like they have poked the ram one too many times here. It might be too late, it might not, but I think the EFL are about to be exposed. Up until now they've not felt the passion of this fan base outside of a football ground. That is now changing. 

2 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said:

You're not a Derby County fan...I'll read your next post in a few years time...Cheerio.

Ah, come on. Everyone should be able to have an opinion on this. I don't agree with him or her but all viewpoints should be heard. 

The 12th of Feb is, in my opinion, going to be messy. 

The concourses are likely to be smashed up and I'm guessing there won't be many seats left in the away end either. 

There's going to be a lot of anger coming out that day. 

Boro away is going to be a poo show and I can't ducking wait. 

1 hour ago, PistoldPete said:

But I didnt laugh? I just pointed out the irony, sad though it is, that this lady was emphasising the value of her freedoms. 

The freedom to not stick a needle in your arm is not worth dying for. It really isn't.
 

She died from a blood clot at home. 

Some conspiracy theorists said it was from the vaccine, at which point her husband said she was unvaccinated, making the point that if she was vaccinated, the very rare chance of this complication happening might not have. We will never know. 

She was a supporter of small government and was against vaccine mandates. 

I don't think mocking someone's death of a rare complication is particularly tasteful just because they feel it proves a point. 

10 minutes ago, Andrew3000 said:

https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2021/12/covid-19-definitions-matter-and-these.html?m=1

The fundamental issue seems to be that the data is hugely flawed because of poor definitions of various categories. 

It's been blatantly obvious from the start that how we define/defined Covid deaths is different to other countries. And like you say, that plays a huge part in the data and then decision making and models. 

Either that or our health system is one of the worst in the world.