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8 hours ago, plymouthram said:

Agree, Warne picked the side that should be beating Crewe. But coaching them to play a certain way for this match (obviously done in a training session either this morning or yesterday) and getting it wrong. I'm sorry the buck stops with the manager. Quality and effort was there but can only shine if used correctly and that comes from the tactics and style demanded by the coaches (They got it wrong). Nothing was learned from the first game at Crewe and even when it was'nt going right tonight, the playing style did not change. Thats down to Warne and his coaching team to put right, adapt different styles of play, set up diferent depending on who you are playing to get results.

I was against this appointment when Warne and his circus came in and Liam got pushed out the door. The man is a one trick pony and lesser teams with clever coaches have sussed out a way of beating his teams. We have gone backwards, after 16 games in the league we have already lost 5 games and keeping this form up would see us lose around 14 games by the end of the season. That would most likely see us out of the top 6 again.

We’ve just won our last 3 home games conceding 0 goals and scoring 9 including battering a promotion rival. Win our game in hand we’re in the top 6 and we’re closer to top 2 than we were a few weeks ago. We lost 3 of the first 6 and then lost 2 of our last 10. League is wide open this season.

The writing was on the wall after three away performances but the cup game should be discounted IMO. Poor performances in cups happen and have happened even when we’ve had a good team.

Lose or don’t win the next 2 (Bristol and Vale) then writing is on the wall again. That’s when we can fundamentally say this team is inconsistent 

Didn’t take long for some to conveniently forget that Saturday happened. Barnsley cannot be ignored, our best performance under Warne  and off the back of two positive performances at home. Since Stevenage there has been a marked improvement. 

Last night was awful. I took a Crewe fan to the game (who probably wishes he was in the away end and not around grumbling miserable Derby fans). Players were nowhere near at the same intensity, everything was slow. It happens sometimes in the cup, in the grand scheme I’d rather that last night against Crewe in the cup than against Bristol. We should draw a line under it and move on. 

That being said while majority of blame for last night lies with the players, Warne needs to utilise his squad better. Playing the same team practically from Saturday with some old players in there, it was always a challenge. Although maybe the likes of Robinson would be in there if not called up.

As for Louis Sibley - he can’t be defended any more. He has chance after chance and never grabs it. There is a reason no manager has played him regularly since Cocu. He has skill and finishing ability but completely lacks any football intelligence, he’s not going to be the player we thought (I certainly hoped) he would be and he needs to move for the sake of his career. 

Amazing performance and result today. Probably the best performance under Warne. The pressing all over the pitch was amazing, kept winning the ball back in good areas to attack then when we had it we were really incisive. With better finishing it really should have been 5 or 6, Barkhuizen profligate in particular but loved how he kept making the runs. Delighted for Collo, worked hard and deserved his goals, Bird is starting to have more of an influence and Mendez is electric. What a performance from Wilson when he came on as well. Seen a lot of praise for Fozzy. He took his goal well and did well for the Collins second but defensively like other recent performances he was really poor again, Barnsley didn’t punish his errors today, we need Elder fit. 
 

I said to keep his job Warne needs an unbeaten run similar to the one we enjoyed last season. Could this be the early phases of one such run? We’re certainly starting to build momentum. Warney definitely answering his critics at the moment. Long May it continue.

This has broke me and I never met him. So sad. Condolences to his family. RIP Daniel (B4), as others have said you touched many people on here and you will be missed dearly. The forum won’t be the same. 

Derby 3 Barnsley 1 - Mendez-Laing FRGS

14 minutes ago, Ellafella said:

Hear! Hear! @angieram; I hope so too. I'm slightly perplexed that since he was 17 he has been at a number of clubs:

To the contrary, given his young age I think the number of loans while he was at the baggies could indicate a desire to go out and play football and learn his craft. Clearly the baggies didn’t have a place for him, went to Forest Green and got himself in League 2 team of the year, got his big move to Bristol which didn’t work out due to a bad injury not long after he joined, we now have the chance to help him get his career back on an upward trajectory.

I personally think he’s class and think he’ll get better and better the more he plays and the fitter he gets. Fingers crossed.

Thought we more than deserved a replay today due to our domination for large parts of it. Until they scored thought we played some decent stuff, don’t know how we weren’t winning. They score from literally nothing due to several poor pieces of defensive play from ourselves then we lost our way. 

Went gung ho second half chances to score but then done by a counter. The lads kept plugging away but just didn’t think it would happen, I was about to leave when Mendez is gifted a goal by their keeper and then we score a fantastic goal to equalise and potentially could’ve won it. 

Credit to the lads today for keeping going, I enjoyed the domination the winning the ball back and continued attacks. Crewe had to defend heroically which they did. 

However - the predictability of our play was mind boggling at times. 62 crosses into the box, 61 times Crewe dealt with it. The same tactic again and again and again. Then touches in the box, we were trying to literally walk and run through defenders in the box, when we did work openings we were wasteful - Barkhuizen in particular. 

We take the replay and move on, think some of the criticism and vitriol towards Warne is OTT again but his tactical limitations were very evident today. 
 

Barnsley is another massive game and will be the acid test of what this side can do this season 

13 hours ago, Mucker1884 said:

0-2 at Gillingham in R3... Double Dutch... Willems (53mins) & Van der Laan (89mins) were the scorers.

*I looked it up for you... you do enough on here!  🍻

That’s the one. Actually remember listening to that now on RD. Didnt the first match get abandoned and we had to have another go at it? Or was that another time we played Gillingham?

My two both came from the same cup run with my worst memory also from the same cup run. 96/97, last season at the BBG. Would have to look up who we beat in the 3rd round as can’t remember. 
 

4th round - Derby 3 Villa 1 - Saturday 3pm kick off, unbelievable game and atmosphere. Can vividly remember asanovic running through with ball almost stuck to his head before bringing it down and flicking it to another Derby player. Van der Laan Sturridge and Ronnie Willems scored. Villa finished 5th that season with likes of Yorke Bosnich Ehiogu Southgate and Milosevic (“missalotvic) 

5th round - Derby 3 Coventry 2 - Night game, 2-0 down early on due to two Russell Hoult clangers (one of them featured on Aunties sporting bloomers which was a show hosted by Terry Wogan back in the day- think hoult took out Christian Dailly and think Huckerby ran around them to score). Think Ashley ward and Ooh Ah (again) got us back to 2-2 and Sturridge scored in about the 87th minute or something. Pandemonium remember coming out of the popside everyone singing Que Sera Sera, genuinely thought it was going be our year. Then heartache…..

Derby 0 Boro 2 - They smashed 6-1 at riverside a few days earlier, we still look shellshocked and didn’t turn up. We had a crash on way to the ground that day as well not a good day. So deflating 

If we’d beat Boro we’d have had Chesterfield at Old Trafford in the Semi….let that sink in (for those like me who werent around for 1976 semi with United) 

As it was Boro got to Wembley and lost to Chelsea Di Matteo scoring for ages fastest FA Cup final goal in history. They also lost league cup to Leicester, and got relegated.

On 31/10/2023 at 15:00, Foreveram said:

If you check the history books I think you will find that we won our SECOND top division trophy under Dave Mackay.

Very very true and I did know that, but there’s also an argument that if Clough hadn’t elevated us to those heights in the first place the second title wouldn’t have happened. 

Yes we would want to be in Forest’s position right now instead of where we find ourselves, no question. But we can laugh at their continued delusions of grandeur, the fact their owner and portions of their fan base think they should be one of the elite clubs in the country. They genuinely think they’re going to win trophies and get into Europe, they can’t get their heads around that they might have a couple of seasons of improvement ahead, they might have a season where they get in the top 10, but that’s as good as it’s going to get. Forest fans don’t seem to understand that if you take Clough out of their history then they’ve achieved f*** all, same with us. Difference is we get it and would therefore be over the moon with where Forest are and would embrace it, whereas portions (not all there are some more realistic red dogs out there) are getting restless. I hope they do sack Cooper, I hope they bring in someone (maybe even a name) with no knowledge of English football who will mess things up and accelerate their decline.

This is Mel Mk2. Gambled for the prem out millions in, failed left with big wages for years similarly chopped and changed managers. Only difference is Mel didn’t ask the fans to put money in he just put us into administration.

They need a credible buyer and quick or they will follow the same path as us. 
 

It also brings into focus the importance of being patient and doing things on a budget. We need a long term sustainable plan for success, problem is people are struggling to see the long term plan with this manager right now 

5 hours ago, LeedsCityRam said:

I'm not entirely sure the vote of confidence from the club is exactly as it seems.

We all know Warne is on a long contract & that sacking him would be expensive. We also know that he is an emotional character & wants to be liked - the reaction to fans abusing him at Shrewsbury & Stevenage has clearly come as a shock & is unchartered territory for him. From 6 years at Rotherham where his 3 relegations were treated with a shrug of the shoulders, he's now in an environment where he's practically living from game to game. This is also in stark contrast to the 'free hit' pass a lot of fans gave to him last season (something I never agreed with incidentally).

In essence, Warne has two choices from here. The first obvious one is that results pick up dramatically, however unlikely that looks currently but it would need a pretty long unbeaten run from here to silence most of his critics. The second choice is to carry on with inconsistent results but risk players becoming increasingly disengaged with his management & fans increasingly furious. I seriously doubt Warne has the stomach for the latter over a sustained period & hence a mutual termination where he agrees to a much lower pay out is the likeliest scenario. My hunch is that the club realise this & hence it makes sense to let the situation play out in the short term.

It’s the dreaded vote of confidence. Historically it often is the precursor a parting of ways not long after. This is most likely due to the fact it only happens (the vote of confidence) when things aren’t going well and in most cases the rot has set in the situation is irretrievable.

Clowes is steady and won’t be knee jerk, the fact he’s his man he will give him every chance to turn this around. But he needs to do just that, turn things around or we could be here in a month further away from where we want to be and the pressure will only build. If we don’t win the next two home games and get knocked out of the cup Clowes’ resolve will be tested. 

He needs a winning run akin to the one we had last season when he first came in, that will give him breathing space and probably get him through to the end of the season but we still need to finish top 6.

Ive felt a lot of the criticism about Warne has been knee jerk, I think people have seen things interviews to fit their narrative (Even the Warne interview at the weekend has been blown out of proportion in my view - great work from Dom Dietrich by the way), but this season particularly there seems less of a plan, the football is tougher to watch and we are not improving, in fact we are going backwards. It’s going to need some turnaround.
 

The league is poor this season, Pompey looked as average as we did at PP yet they’re walking the league, feels right now that we are spaffing a major opportunity. 

Just now, BramcoteRam84 said:

Don’t see how you can put Foz in this. Been a good player and a great servant but is becoming a liability 

3 hours ago, Magicman said:

Our best players are Nelson, Nyambe & Foz. The rest are just average or below. 

Sorry with the right quote attached this time Apols @DCFC Kicks

1 hour ago, DCFC Kicks said:

So why were Championship Hull and PL Brighton trying to sign Bird and Cashin?

Don’t see how you can put Foz in this. Been a good player and a great servant but is becoming a liability 

Derby 3 Northampton 0 - Mendez-Laing FRGS.

Warne keeps his job for another 1-2 weeks until the next win 

Surprised I haven’t seen Simo Valakari mentioned yet!! 😀

2 minutes ago, S8TY said:

If Rowett ever stepped back into the hotseat here I would not go to another game until he's gone...utter crap style of football and remember how we meekly rolled over against a lot of teams ...its a no from me ...Millwall fans here working with me tonight glad hes gone says it all 

Which is rich from them considering he’s been Millwalls best manager for years. 
The crap style was massively overplayed in my opinion, he rolled over against Fulham in second leg that’s the only gripe I had with him along with obviously the way he left. That football is also way better than what we’re currently getting. 

1 minute ago, Millenniumram said:

Trust me mate, I’m totally with you, I think Warne should go now.

Sadly though, like it or not, Clowes is very much in the Warne in camp. That’s not likely to change any time soon.

Thing is I’m not sure you’re right here. Two weeks ago maybe, but with what’s happened the past 2 away games coupled with frustration at the boring football being served up at home, a vocal minority are becoming toxic, media are focussing on that toxicity leading to spiky interviews and the silent majority including happy clappers like myself are even now starting to not want him here. Clowes will see this and also as a fan he won’t like what he’s been watching surely. He’s not knee jerk he has the best intentions and he will give Warne every chance but he’s entering last chance saloon now.

Only way I can see Warne seeing out the season at least is a winning run starting right now similar to the one we had last season, that would give him breathing space quieten down the noise and probably just about get him through to the end of the season. Many more losses/draws like the last 3 away games he’ll be gone 

Very good 👏👏👏👏

3 hours ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

Christ,not rowett...I hated every minute of him being our gaffer.

I think that came from resenting that he replaced Mac,completely needlessly and had an accent that could sour milk.

Plus the football was horrible and I think we could go with a change from that.

Yeah I remember you being fervently against Rowett, fair reflection about potentially resenting the fact he replaced Mac and the football in comparison to Mac was definitely worse no question although I didn’t think it was as bad as some make out. However we are clearly a lot worse now, Rowett may not be your cup of tea but he would definitely be an upgrade on Warne. Of all the managers out there he’d be the one I reckon could get us promoted if not this season definitely next and then get us competitive in the championship. He’s proven he can do it on small budgets, and while you might not be a fan of the football, at least we would have a clear structure and a plan which right now we have neither. 
 

Rowett was the wrong appointment last time - a complete deviation from playing style of previous managers with players not able to play his way effectively (again another example of Mel’s cluelessness) but this time for where we are at right now he’s a much better fit.

He’s on borrowed time clearly. I think the only way he saves his job is he needs a decent winning run now. Lose or draw Northampton pressure will grow that coupled with being knocked out by Crewe which is a dangerous tie for us then it will be curtains. He needs to win both these home league games and start picking up points away he does that he might last to January and then see how it goes. 
 

Assuming he does go, Clowes must think carefully about where we want to head as a club, style of football, academy etc, we need a clear strategy and we need to stick to it and recruit managers in line with that strategy. There are some decent managers out there but we need someone who can build something. I’d have had Warnock to the end of the season to give Clowes the chance to figure out the future strategy but ship looks like it’s sailed on that one.

Options:

Carsley - probably unrealistic but would love him here. Decent record as a caretaker and done good job with England U21s but he’s always preferred academy coaching and turned down opportunities to be a permanent manager in the past. He’d be my no 1 choice though.

Eustace - everyone seems to be mentioning him, not sure has been highly regarded for a while.

Rowett - Some will scoff at this but Snakes football IMO wasn’t that bad (playoff semi aside), he has a proven record of building things on a budget, he laid the foundations for Burton, and did an excellent job at both Brum and Millwall with limited resources. I think he would be a safe bet to not only get us promoted but get us to top half championship in next 3 seasons. Would he lower himself to league 1 and would he want the pressure/focus of the Derby job again, maybe he would now presumably his kids have grown up. 
 

Luke Williams - Risky appointment but plays good football and is one the most highly regarded coaches in the EFL right now. Wouldn’t mind seeing him here.

If we could find the next Kieran McKenna then great. Would be a risk.

If we want nostalgic appointments potentials could be Simmo, or Chris Powell. 
 

Chris Wilder i wonder if he’s a busted flush. Same with Steve Bruce, the latter definitely fits the Jim Smith profile maybe with one last successful gig still in him, but we were a much better team at the time smithy came in than we are now. 

33 minutes ago, Miggins said:

I think he has given this club the very best shot he could.

If it's not enough, then fair play. He has done his best.

But he is not a 'clown'. He certainly is not.

I really hate seeing this term leveled at him.

Whatever your opinions of him, please think before you post unkind comments.

Yours, Prissy Miggins

 

Also seen one or two referencing “clownes”, this is also bang out of order. We owe him enormously. He’s just a fan like us who had the wherewithal to do what we would all do. Despite seemingly getting wrong with warne he’s still our saviour 

I’m not fully in the Warne out camp yet but have one foot in there definitely. Thinks that’s about the most pro Warne you’ll get from anyone now surely. 

8 minutes ago, Steve Buckley’s Dog said:

Having heard Warne’s post match interview, I am convinced he’s the man for the job. He clearly knows what the problem is, his signings have on the whole been outstanding and there is a clear game plan that is evident on the pitch. He’s a real leader and has the backing of the players and a tactical understanding second to none in this league. He’s not responsible for our flaws. I think we can all agree he’s aware of what’s missing and would have addressed it if he had had a couple of transfer windows different to the ones he did have. Let’s get behind him - he’s the man and he wears hats! 

Am I detecting a touch of irony in your post or am I giving you too much credit calling it irony?! 😉