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In my best ‘Cocu being picked up on the RamsTV mics during the covid season’ impression

’GO ON WAGGY’

7 minutes ago, Srg said:

Wing back should be a long way second. When you've got Rooney and Smith who could play right, Forsyth and Elder to play left. Why would we want another just cover for 2 months?

I think he may look at a versatile pacey defensive player, who’s going to fill defensive gaps (although if Cashin goes we might need an actual centre back), that atleast make sense to me in what we might need now. The 4th, which I just posted above which may be a stretch is Collins goes out and we bring Smith from Wednesday in but it’s probably less of a priority to a pacey defender.

This is putting 2+2 together and getting 5, but I wonder now considering Warne saying he ideally wanted 4 in before the end of the window and we have a bit of pace up front that, that we might see Collins get that move to Shrewsbury and Smith coming to us from Wednesday? 

46 minutes ago, Rammy03 said:

Why is it only half a season loan

Presumably with his injury record everyone wants to see how it’ll go. My inkling suspicion also throughout this summer is that Warne expects one player will be made available in January who may currently by a third or fourth option at their current club. Hence we are holding back some of our budget for then as well. I’d put money on that player being Lapado but I could very well be wrong. 

Mel Morris is said to have an account on here 👀

8 hours ago, David said:

But what @Carnero said was true. Only 2 have come from Rotherham, right?

As a general point, I think the ‘being linked to Warne’s former players/targets’ thing probably shows tht theee is still fans who don’t quite realise where we are and have been for quite a while.

Its not Warne being lazy or unadventurous, it’s more that we’ve been in the same market for players  as Rotherham for about three seasons now!

15 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

So Waghorn in the third division is a decent option then? 
Also helps that he didn’t cost £5 million as well.

I’ll say this reluctantly but I think he may have that something we saw with McGoldrick last season where he’s got that extra bit of quality when hitting a ball into the goal that most strikers don’t quite have in this league. Let’s not have him chasing around looking lost and have him making slave for himself in the box being in the right place and he will strike the ball as clean as anyone. His strike on Tuesday went a bit unnoticed but it was a sweet strike that would beat most keepers in any league, and todays was just a good confident finish. The type we didn’t see after his first season under Lampard. 

He won’t reach the numbers McGoldrick did, but I’m more assured in him than I was a few weeks ago. Him and Collins wouldnt work which is maybe the biggest issue right now up front.

Consider me part of the Curtis Nelson Fan Club, thought he’s been steady so far but was excellent today. Won everything in the box and got some important interceptions in. He was my motm tbh…

49 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

How has this changed so quickly? What's happened?

Whilst I’d agree with @sage about the contingency budget,  I’d also say that the market is moving better than it was a week or so ago as teams in leagues above are getting their main business done. With the market that we are looking in (players who can play in the champ, perform consistently in a 30,000 seater stadium) our main targets are going to be different to most in the league and we’ve needed patience for them to come available. That’s maybe why we haven’t pushed for May, Smith or Harris and in the next couple of weeks we will bring someone in who’s much more suited to what the club needs 

Tbh, I’m more concerned with Cashin. Positionally all over the place and opposition players are targeting his lack of pace. I think this stretches Bradley’s defence work. Mix this with our midfield not gelling and I think he’s just a bit exposed whilst learning about the players around him. 

I’m not one for showing my starting 11’s or completely ripping up the tactics board, but id Fozzy back into a back three or as two cbs for a couple of games. If we stuck with 352 id have Smith and Thompson sitting and take your pick from Bird, Hourihane or Sibley in the more attacking role. Smith covers the defence, Thompson breaks up play.

My big concern right now is that Warne has made a system that is going to work great going to the small away grounds and everything is a lot tighter, but when you are on a big pitch everyone is about 3 yards away from where they should be and all teams will do like Oxford did andsoak up the pressure and counter attack once we make a mistake.

Could be a make or break decision for Warne, whether he continues or tries to change something.

I think the club just gave me PTSD

Was going to make a new thread on this but I think it slides in here ok.

I do wonder whether we are in the midst of what might be a difficult few months for both Clowes and Warne, I nearly went with the idea that this might be a ‘second difficult season but I’m reluctant to go too hyperbolic on this. But it’s been a significant summer for both, first for Clowes he’s tried to put his mark on the club with the colours that represent the clubs values (for lack of a better term, his own ‘Derby way’) and has made a significant decision in bringing in his own head of the Academy. These are the first steps of what we can consider to be the Clowes era. For Warne, he now has the man he wanted as his Head of Recruitment through the door, he’s starting the season with a new style of play and bringing in his own sheds for the first time. Again it’s the beginning of what we consider to be Warne’s era. 

The point being, there’s been a few significant appointments and a shift in the identity of the club both from Clowes and Warne and…are we experiencing some teething problems? With recruitment, this was our first significant window since Cocu and have we missed out on players because all our ducks weren’t in a row? With the valuations of Knight and Bird that our academy maybe wasn’t quite in the shape that it should have been for Cat A? Communication problems on the pitch with a new style of play? Fozzy’s testimonial maybe not being what it could be? Kit launches being off etc etc. Not moaning btw, it is what it is in my book, it’s just a lot of significant changes are happening and once and it might take a few more weeks before we see real progress on all fronts.

Dunno, just something I’ve been thinking about since Tuesday, not saying I’m right or wrong. 

7 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

I do enjoy the Twitter admin’s work a lot of the time, but is there a need to “tease” everything? Surely on occasion signings, kit reveals etc, could just be announced without the 15 mins delay in between posts

In fairness, they’ve currently got me hook line and sinker that it could be a signing reveal too (I know it’s not really), but it’s all engagement for them 

Last weeks presser was Thursday and it probably wouldn’t have been the worst idea to have had it today in all honesty.

But saying that I’m pretty sure Warne said on Tuesday they were off yesterday (said something about two days to prep for Saturday), which maybe debunks Trav’s comments about the mood being low yesterday?? 

6 minutes ago, swanny said:

Does anyone know what the plan is for for closing/opening roads after a game? I'd always thought the cars near the frankie and bennies roundabout were held until the buses left. 

 

Last night there we only three buses of derby fans (and one of them was a mini bus) instead they held a  massive queue of traffic from the industrial estate while no busses or cars went over the bridge (towards a52) for about twenty minutes until the away fans were due to leave. 

 

it seemed totally pointless with nothing leaving pride park until the away buses did. 

 

Maybe there is a grad plan and I just dont get it but it seemed daft to prevent anything from leaving pride park for so long. 

 

 

It’s just always how it’s done there and they won’t change procedure just because it’s a bit quieter. Even last night I bet you get a few hundred going down that way to the river path and if anything happened on the land it wouldn’t just be the driver who would be liable. Also I imagine as the the road going past PP is closed by police and fans are walking along the road, then they can’t get to the A52 anyway. 

It always been the same there, always have a little giggle at those who have tried to leave early and get caught out yelling at the blokes having to hold everyone up. Also the ones who try to sneak out driving up the wrong lane and can only get so far. 

30 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

I have attended the last 3 home games and and in all of them - the opposition midfield players have been able to carry the ball from box to box without a challenge going in . We don’t have a midfield player that could tackle a Pukka Pie. I would consider putting Collins in midfield v Burton for a bit of aggression.

Yeah I’m surprised how little the issues with midfield are discussed tbh. It wasn’t balanced last season and it’s not this season. Hourihane being made captain was a bit of a concern because it near on makes him an ever present which wasnt the best idea last season. Then Smith and Bird, like both of them as footballers (I do like all three tbf), but Bird hasn’t lit up League 1 at all and Smith is very passive. It’s just too much of a muchness and there is no balance, no aggression and you just don’t believe they will win any battles in the middle of the pitch, which means there’s no control of the game…in a stadium with 25,000-30,000 home fans in. 

4 minutes ago, Big Trav said:

Told this morning the moods been very low in the camp. Take that how you will 

They’ve just lost two games at home Trav, I’m not expecting it to be good! Really appreciate your insights but not sure what this achieves?

I get there is a lot of frustration about and fully understand it was a bit of a daft comment last night but…this is all a bit of an over reaction. Radio Derby have helped and they’ve fuelled the fire of those online. 

I thought the main point Warne was getting across that there is players who need to stop turning up to games believing they are better and will automatically win games. Don’t believe the hype. I don’t have an issue with this, to be honest it was something that was needed to be said last year.

with the ‘head turned’ comment, what he’s trying to say isn’t about the players effort but it’s about the backwards and sideways passing and players being safe on the ball. It’s not a conscious effort that a player wants a move, it’s that a player is being safe on the ball as they don’t want to be seen as making mistakes, which then has a detriment to the team and Warne as the manager. Yes it’s not the best way of putting it, but I’m done with making excuses for players too. We all like pretty footballers but it’s nothing if you aren’t using that skill to go out and win games of football.

8 minutes ago, BaaLocks said:

I really wanted it to work out with Cocu. Obviously, I want it to work out with every Derby manager but I really thought we were onto something with Cocu, it just felt like we had got ourselves someone a bit special. So sad when that didn't happen, and equally sad to see that Vitesse, who he is now managing, have only achieved the 30% win rate that he got at Derby.

If ifs and buts were apples and nuts eh!

I see it now as the right man at the wrong time. How he infiltrated the youth into the squad and our style of play was exactly what Morris and the fans were after and it was taking a very good shape on the pitch before the covid shutdown. I don’t think anyone was expecting play offs that season, but I think the players and the fans were just starting to buy into what Cocu was wanting. Then covid happened and behind the scenes it was falling apart. Reading the post on the Waggy thread it seems that Rooney was dividing the players, our scouting and recruitment was a mess and the finances speak for themselves. That second season everyone’s heads went and it just got worse and worse.

Maybe worth pointing out that Ryan himself hasn’t posted anywhere that there is a confirmed release date or anything just yet so may be best to hold off,m until he announces? Especially if you want a different link to Amazon!

Edit:

Ok it’s all up and confirmed on the Pitch Publishing website with a few different links so guess we are all good!

https://www.pitchpublishing.co.uk/shop/pride-fall

@Macintosh’s post in the Waggy thread pointed this out but Ryan Conways book about the Cocu-Rooney years has a release date and is available for pre order: 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pride-Before-Fall-Play-Off-Extinction/dp/1801505039

Be interesting to see if anything new comes from it and I hope it does well for Ryan.

Just to point out one tiny thing, but it was largely Waghorn that helped us see the best of Sibley in those first few games when Sibley looked like the next big thing. At the moment, I’m not sure how it would work but Waghorn might be the right player we need to hold up the ball, move into a space and make room for someone like Sibley to get a shot in. Could be something to keep an eye on going forward…

4 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Did you read the tweet (post #1 in this thread)?

In fairness, “#dcfc”?

2 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

Well yes, or we could try creating chances? 

Well I do think you raise a good point that actually I’m not sure our midfield is strong enough (again, good footballers but I’m not sure they have a winning mentality) but that’s maybe a debate for another day.

I’m just not sure, with the market as it currently is, that we can get better and it’s probably better to have him through the door that not to. The market is slow in the leagues above us, the lower prem sides aren’t really bringing in the players they want to get, so aren’t getting players out on loan or on transfers, which means the championship sides aren’t doing their business which then effects us. So you gamble and wait for it to get to the last day of the window or do you get a couple of players on deals that will see us through to Jan? I’ve thought for a while that we are waiting to see if Lapado comes available at Ipswich (no itk, that’s just seemed to me the transfer that would make sense), if that’s the case then we may need to wait until January before Ipswich are willing to budge. Or could be the same with Smith or Goddard. It’s all hypothetical but would you be better with Waghorn and Sharp to tide us over until Jan or try and bring in someone to replace what you want Lapado/Smith/Goddard etc to come in and do