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One thing I thought on Saturday, but when you have Bradley in you essentially have a leaders with experience in every part of your spine when you consider Smith and Collins. It makes a huge difference especially when NML is your team captain.

23 minutes ago, Crewton said:

McGoldrick was only missing for the first two games. He was available for all the rest. But so what? Warne lost Bird for the whole of the key month of February when results started to falter and was working with Rosenior's squad. But you should know very well that Clowes took the decision not to appoint Rosenior for reasons beyond mere results. The continual harping back to Rosenior by some posters is tedious for that very reason and no-one knows how the season would have gone with him in charge.

I swear I've never come across a situation before where an element in a clubs fanbase has moaned so much about a manager with their team in 2nd place. I'm sure some of our fans have totally lost the plot.

Some fans will always find it impossible to enjoy the moment, im annoyed about last night but you’ve got to embrace the ups and downs because it’ll be gone in a couple of weeks. As well unfortunately the hangover of Mel’s tenure still has its implications. We got into a decent position and everyone gets twitchy that it’ll be bottled because it’s not perfect. 

I find it quite funny that I see people whinging about Warne in a league we haven’t even got to. What makes you think about that and then think it’s worth posting on here or Twitter or whatever? 

Just now, Tyler Durden said:

Some predictably reactionary comments after a goalless away draw.

If we'd have got beaten jeez, doesn't even bear worth thinking about. Teddies flying out of prams all over the forum. 

Sorry would usually agree, but that performance with three games to go…they deserve a bit of a kicking because there’s no excuses. It’s not about the result, it’s the performance.

I’m usually one trying to be rational about these things, but that performance at this time of the season bordered disgusting for me. Lazy passing, headless running, poor touches…and that was just Kane Wilson who gave one of the worst performances I’ve seen in a derby shirt this season. Don’t like singling out players for criticism, rarely do it, but for all his ‘Jack the lad’ persona not enough quality shines through when it matters. 

Within the context of the season and where we are, it was shockingly bad. I could have wax lyrical for hours about how good Derby were last week and every inch of praise was deserved. They lost all that goodwill tonight.

I’ve got very little more I can say, it’s not that they haven’t won but the attitude/performance for where we are in the season was so below par.

Whilst it’s not worth going back and listening to a whole day worth of audio, it was a very impressive stint from Radio Derby and I really enjoyed it as something different. Lots of interesting bits with Eric Steele with the kit man etc, but also a pretty interesting kind of round table with Colin Gibson, Tom Loakes and Ed Dawes about the media side of things (including having to hide Marriott in the back of Gibbo’s car when he signed). Owen Bradley spoke well about RamsTV, a few interviews on the academy etc etc. It was just good radio tbh, and I hope people didn’t purposefully miss out because they talked themselves into thinking it was a distraction or whatever they were whinging about beforehand. I do find it quite funny that there were 9 pages on here before Monday and just after a page since it was broadcast.

FWIW, the most important thing to come out of it is that it’s sured up the club’s relationship with Radio Derby. I might be wrong but I did sense it was all quite frosty under Mel’s tenure and there has probably been a bit of hangover in the 2-3 years since. I’m sure it’s not that any bridge mending was needed, but things like Warne doing a couple of interviews with presenters away from Dom and Ed are good because it brings a different perspective to Warne. Hopefully it means there will be more stuff like this was in the future.

Great job by everyone involved!

Think this is a good point by Punjabi rams. It’s not necessarily the point we should be happy about it’s the level of confidence we played with. We looked like a promotion side  against the best side in the league. We kept our shape and had a focus and a bit of swagger without it looking like we were playing above ourselves. We were willing ourselves to get a result. 

Although we’ve been consistent I don’t think we’ve looked assured, and that’s why we’ve had our Warne out/in debates and so much fluff surrounding the club this season. Last night was a step up for me, we looked a top side and I dare say even under Mac1 we didn’t look like ‘top 2’. There’s still a long way to go, and it’s not all wrapped up, but it’s been a long while since I could sense that confidence from a derby side on the pitch. 

That’s not me saying promotion is secured or anything like that, I just thought last night was a big step forward in the right direction performance wise.
 

Firstly, what an enjoyable game of football. Was a pleasure to see Derby as a part of that and matched a very good team at the top. Pompey will win this league, we can take confidence from our performance tonight into the last four matches.

My only gripe, with my derby bias, is that I felt they got a few favourable decisions in that 10-15 minutes before they scored which helped peg us back into our own half and made us get deeper and deeper. But also, we didn’t help ourselves and seemed less and less comfortable. You didn’t think with 30 mins to go we could defend like we were and hold out because we were loosing shape too often and not getting the ball into their half for any length of time. 

Aside that, I can’t tell you one player who I thought played poorly and Warne got his tactics spot on. I can’t put it simpler.

I’ve said a few times, one thing Warne has done really well this season is that every player has contributed to a key moment this season. Tonight was Joe Ward’s turn, he’s a big game player and he showed it tonight. Still think Blackett-Taylor may yet still get his before the season is out.

Thought it was Adams best game, another who thrives to the occasion. Smith is maybe our most underrated player.

Finally, four great goals. I don’t think we can analyse the ones we conceaded too much and neither can pompey with ours. Both sides have a bit of a weakness at full back and both sides were able to take advantage.

53 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

I thought the jist of the article from those interviewed was that in retrospect they were taken aback by how genuine he seemed, and how they thought it impossible (at the time) to even consider that he wasn't the real deal

The bit where someone describes him being at the LIV Pro-am golf thing and he was giving Yasir Al-Rumayyan bear hugs and acting like they were the oldest, bestest friends. Without the benefit of hindsight, if you'd witnessed scenes like that - would you have thought "nah he's probably a fraud"?

Taking the fact he nearly destroyed our club out of the equation, you almost have to have a kind of admiration for quite how far he took his fantasist lifestyle and what he got away with. On a par with Anna Sorokin. Would anyone be surprised if they maker a Netflix series out of it?

 

 

You can question, as a head of a supporters group, why you’ve been invited to a LIV-Pro event by him in the first place and whether it’s appropriate to accept that offer.

Presumably this is the same LIV-Pro event where Kirchner was stepped by Dan Roan for not yet producing the funds for the takeover?

On 26/03/2024 at 20:24, RoyMac5 said:

What would you want 'them' to take responsibility for? It only started to unravel when the money didn't arrive - why didn't Kirchner's money arrive? The fact that it wasn't Kirchner's money couldn't be deduced until he didn't hand it over.

 

What I think its a different debate for a different day, but I think many legitimised Kirchner for their own means rather than the long term health of DCFC, whether out of desperation or incompetency. I don’t think it’s a case of going OTT against anyone involved, but there’s probably lessons to be learnt that there is maybe a bit more due diligence needed over someone who has no paper trail and says he made his money through crypto.

That’s the issue with the article, it’s alright saying ‘look at this wrongun’ and MM or Preston saying ‘we knew he was a wrongun’ but they didn’t raise any concerns at a time when they could. Yes there is an issue of football clubs that are going into the wrong persons hands, but part of that is those that help legitimise those people and push them through in the first place. Saying they didn’t know absolves the EFL, Cook, Stretford, Quantama and a whole lot of others who caused a lot more mess for Derby County. 
 

4 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

I think whilst safe to say many Derby fans dislike the EFL I can't see how they take the blame for believing Kirchner - see all the big US organisations that were also 'taken in'. I presume Kirchner showed the money but just forgot to say it wasn't his!

As for Preston, there were things written at the time, and talked about on here, but most were saying they had an anti-CK axe to grind because he backed out of their deal. They got the blame for 'increasing' the asking price and were judged accordingly.

I don’t think it’s about taking the blame because that indicates that someone wasn’t working with good intentions, and I think at that point almost everyone was. It wasn’t one person/organisations fault what was happening with Kirchner, but you have to accept some responsibility for how it went wrong. That’s what becomes apparent to me when reading that article, they have spoken to a lot of people and none seemingly took any responsibility, the writers didnt question them on it and they didn’t cotton on to the idea that they all played a part in getting Kirchner so far down the line. The people don’t take responsibility and the writers don’t make them take responsibility when it’s obvious when reading that they should. 

My point about Preston isn’t that they did anything wrong particularly, but more that its similar to what is being said by @therealhantsram about MM, it’s ok for people to say they smelt a rat with Kirchner but at the time they didn’t raise any alarm bells with the EFL. It should be in Preston’s interest as much as Morris’ interest to declare to the EFL that they had doubts over Kirchner’s suitability. A Preston source calls Kirchner a tyre kicker in the article, well again they contributed to that tyre kicking when it came to Derby County! The article again, in my opinion, kinda shows an issue that helped Kirchner get further down the line but doesn’t delve further into the significance of it. Or both the Preston source and MM’s source are saving face which should be  rebutted in print, because they were both willing to try and sell to him!

The article brings up a lot of issues but doesn’t give them any significance essentially.

16 hours ago, therealhantsram said:

Largely a historical history. Apart from, they must have spoken to MM or someone close to him. No direct quotes but several new bits of info...

MM never believed JK was serious.

MM and JK never once spoke to each other.

MM and JK used the same bank.

When the money didn't arrive MM offered to send screenshot and instructions of which buttons to press to do a transfer.

 

Make of that what you will. I'm taking it with a pinch of salt.

 

For one thing I dont understand why MM would be getting any money from Kirchner at all. JK was not buying the stadium from Mel. He was supposed to be buying the club out of Admin. So it would be Quantuma or the club which should have been recieving the funds. Right?

Like Stephen Pearce's accounting, it doesn't quite add up.

Yes I thought the MM bit was most interesting, I do hope we do end up hearing a bit more from his side. Although the idea he was sceptical yet still willingness to work with Kirchner to agree a sale of his club seems a bit of a stretch to me. 

I’ve got to be honest I just don’t think it’s a great article though. There’s a pretty obvious ‘joining of dots’ here that isn’t addressed in that whether its the supporters groups, MM, Garry Cook, The EFL, the Administrators or Stretford , none of them take responsibility for what they nearly did to Derby County. No one goes ‘we got this wrong and we added to the months of limbo for Derby County fans who didn’t know whether they would have a club by the of the season’, and I think it borders on disgraceful from those who fell for Kirchner hook, line and sinker and they all seemingly pop up in this article without much criticism. It’s also poor that the article has no reference to the fans and what we were going through because of Kirchner’s actions

I also find it poor that supposedly Preston’s board are unsure about Kirchner but seemingly do not raise any alarm bells to the EFL. If you want to see a part of what’s wrong with football then I think that’s a good example. 

Like most football journalism today, it about scratches the surface on a subject but there is zero depth.

Good post, and if I may say it’s the type of content I’m here for and we don’t see enough on here!

What id say is that I think over the course of a season you are somewhat expected to drop points away from home where teams fancy their chances of an upset. Also you can expect a bit of leggyness/mental exhaustion after a big win like the Bolton one, it’s a really difficult league to find consistency in and I’d say all teams have suffered from that and hence it’s so close at the top. 
 

What’s becoming more of an issue I think is the points dropped at home. There’s been atleast 6-9 points, and that’s being kind, that we dropped. A better home record and you can excuse a trip like Saturday as one of those days and move on.

Finally in the company he deserves

https://theathletic.com/5361931/2024/03/25/golf-football-chris-kirchner-derby-fraud/?source=user_shared_article
 

Does anybody still have an account and want to give the general gist of this article?

Is there anything new in it?

6 minutes ago, Srg said:

Organises what? Bad performances and a swiss cheese midfield? Whatever attributes he still has is not worth it for how invisible he is. 

The one thing I’ll say re:Hourihane is that it did surprise me to see him get so much flack for a performance where I thought he was one of our more ok players, compared to Adams and NML who I thought kept losing the ball in key positions. Or say someone like Wilson who put in a lot of crosses but a lot fell to the heads of their defenders. It may have been an issue with how they were set up. Waghorn kept coming deep, NML was too central at times and in Thompsons space etc, which probably comes with having to play an unsettled side due to injuries. 

I get the Hourihane criticisms and given out enough of them over the last two seasons, but I didn’t think after Saturday he quite deserves the criticism he got over a few others.

To think, I clicked on this to see if there was a video of Bradley’s incident!

They have no idea who they are signing these days…

Hourihane has made a career out of scoring important goals out of nothing, or at least providing assists. We are at a time of the season we need someone who can score important goals out of nothing and we are a side with depleted attacking options.
 

Warne has managed Hourihane well this season and there’s enough time for him to provide more than he already has.

Bit of fun, but they put up a quote attributed to ‘fan of socialism’ Brian Clough yesterday as a tribute on his birthday. I mean I’m not saying there is a capitalist agenda behind doing this but you can see for yourself here:

Anyway, they have had a special guest at the City Ground today…

On 20/03/2024 at 12:01, Tamworthram said:

OK, so for the first time that I can remember, my wife and I are struggling to agree as to where to go on holiday this year (apart from Northumberland in September).

My wife want to go to Paris for a week followed by a few days chilling out in Northern France (near Calais for an easy journey to the tunnel for coming home). I'm happy to go the Paris (we've been there numerous times but not for a few years) but that, followed by Northern France, doesn't quite feel like enough for our/my main holiday.

So, here's the thing, she doesn't like travelling much and I have muted the idea of me going away for a few days on my own in order to visit places that don't interest her and allows me to indulge a little in my photography hobby. I think I could just about convince her to let me go somewhere for a week in return for agreeing to her Paris idea.

I'm thinking of either an interesting city (not for nightlife and bars etc but for historic sites etc) or maybe an interesting area for scenery (and, again, maybe historic sites). I've done Paris (obviously), Rome, Venice, Verona, Florence, Bruges and Amsterdam.

Any suggestions folks? Not too far away though as it would only be a week.

As someone who isn’t much of a traveller then I’d recommend the overnight trains from Paris to the south of France. It’s relatively straight forward and gets you to Carcassonne for a good time in the morning.
 

As an interesting city/town around there I really loved Narbonne, which wasn’t overly touristy but had a really good food places and an indoor market. It borders a national park too but we didn’t venture out as we were car-less.

But it is doable and maybe a bit different if you want a ‘steady’ break 

The East Midlands, bad boys of football

Had a chat with a mate last night who’d looked through the report and thought I’d share a few good points that were made.

- the -4 doesn’t seem enough of a punishment, -6 seems about right because that would have a serious impact on a clubs aims in a season no matter where they were situated in the league.

-The previously relegated clubs would find it hard to look for compensation/legal action because the accounting period runs through to end of June. So essentially into the next summer transfer window. I hadn’t really thought about that but it’s a good way of maybe stopping what Wycombe and Boro did to us. 

- It’s quite important for a panel to reward compliance. Mainly because you have from July-May to convict and punish. Again you’d think -8 down to -6 would be about right and personally that’s what I think the PL tried to go for.

-Finally, what the PL, and possibly the EFL, want to show is that how Forest got promoted and have stayed in the prem is largely unsustainable for clubs. It worked for them in getting there, but it’s not seemingly going to work over a long term period If other clubs try and copy the approach then we will see big clubs go under. It’s not an agenda against a club not in the top 6, it’s trying to keep all clubs above board. There is a way for clubs to get promoted, be sustainable and compete and grow and that’s needs to be encouraged. Hence why reports that Forest may need to sell big again in the summer to balance the books may being put out to the press.

My one last thought on this, which I was meant to bring up yesterday, but is it quite likely that Forest are going for appeal because essentially does a point deduction mean they accept guilt and the punishment would then allow last years relegated clubs to go ahead with legal action against Forest for loss of income?

2 hours ago, Crewton said:

I think he fell out with the club hierarchy and is now opposed to Marinakis. 

We tried to warn him @Reggie Greenwood

Daniel Taylor’s is another who I think isn’t overly favoured by their hierarchy who I think has written a more straight and informative piece.

Unfortunately from what I’ve seen there’s more than a couple of journos who are quite willing to drink the kool-aid from Forest’s statement yesterday because of the whataboutery about city/chelsea, not appreciating that maybe they are all in the wrong? 

Going to be intersting to see where different people fall on this, who defends Forest, who stays quiet etc. 

Either way I think this is poor from Percy

Wrong thread!

But for clarity I sometimes go watch Sheffield Hallam at Sandygate. £7 in, always have good beer on and the people who run it are very friendly. Usually some decent games but you can be thrown by a borefest sometimes. The other down side is that I’ve seen home fans berate refs who are doing a decent job 

Would like to do Matlock occasionally but it’s like £12 entry.