Ram-Alf Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 11 hours ago, inter politics said: As if we didn't already know, this demonstrates the complete ineptitude of the EFL decision makers. We will never forget. Lets put a bit of reality here. We all got conned, USA financial institutions, A Texas Ice Hockey team, The EFL, Rooney and his advisors/agents, The media, MPs, I've no time for the EFL...a day with a gang of Daleks would suffice for me, Their day of reckoning is yet to come👍 He was eventually rumbled when Dan Roan(BBC)...I think asked him a series of questions while he was in Dubai sponsoring a golf tournament, Kirchner couldn't answer his questions. When he got back home he sacked a few employers, Locked them out of their computers and tried to hide his dirty dealings, It was then that the Directors voted him off and locked him out of his computer software and the saga began. Soon after a visit by a certain group MIBs taking over his house and goods, The investigation has started, Now ended with a 20 year sentence...a damn site more than I thought...will he do the full term...I doubt it, The last words he was heard uttering when the cuffs were put on him was..."I do not like Orange" 😊 Reggie Greenwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadAmster Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 2 hours ago, Mihangel said: I don't disagree with you comments BUT Clowes had no legal obligation to be satisfied of Kirchner's worth etc. Quantume however, is another story. If we park due diligence and questions around fit and proper owner and look at this purely from a money laundering perspective - And some on here, like me, will have done their anti money laundering training so will know the items that will flag up a potential problem:- Is this person known to you/us, an existing customer/client? No - Flag 1 Is the money coming from an overseas account? Yes - Flag 2 Is this a large sum of money? Yes - Flag 3 Can the individual prove the provenance of the money? No - Massive red flag with bells on it and a loudspeaker shouting 'look at me'. Personally, with the benefit of hindsight, how could Kirchner have £55m knocking around? He hadn't sold anything, inherited anything, he didn't mention winning the lottery. As I alluded to earlier, if you're getting a mortgage the bank are going to look at where your deposit came from, if it's from 'savings', does it make sense? they're going to see copies of you bank statements and payslips etc to check affordability. This is really basic stuff and something that would be expected of someone exchanging £55k in foreign currency, never mind £55m. He wasn't looking at paying £55M. He was looking to buy the club for 25% of the non-football debt plus 100% of the football debt. He was not looking to buy the stadium up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 (edited) Tbh good job the FBI blocked the money transfer or we could have been really f*****. British financial system practically supports financial crime so good job someone's on the ball. Edited July 12 by alexxxxx Crewton, ariotofmyown and Reggie Greenwood 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 14 minutes ago, alexxxxx said: Tbh good job the FBI blocked the money transfer or we could have been really f*****. British financial system practically supports financial crime so good job someone's on the ball. Wasn’t the money in an ESCROW account? And stuck there while the banking authorities checked where the loot came from, It was at this point all the theories started to surface 🤯 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 (edited) no mention of him having to return the coat.... https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/failed-derby-county-bidder-chris-9405640 Edited July 12 by IslandExile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSD Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Enjoy prison time Chris. BriggRam and Crewton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram1988 Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Chris Tyre Kicker Kirchner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKWORTHRAM Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Hold on tight to that soap Christopher xx Ram1988 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mihangel said: I don't disagree with you comments BUT Clowes had no legal obligation to be satisfied of Kirchner's worth etc. Quantume however, is another story. If we park due diligence and questions around fit and proper owner and look at this purely from a money laundering perspective - And some on here, like me, will have done their anti money laundering training so will know the items that will flag up a potential problem:- Is this person known to you/us, an existing customer/client? No - Flag 1 Is the money coming from an overseas account? Yes - Flag 2 Is this a large sum of money? Yes - Flag 3 Can the individual prove the provenance of the money? No - Massive red flag with bells on it and a loudspeaker shouting 'look at me'. Personally, with the benefit of hindsight, how could Kirchner have £55m knocking around? He hadn't sold anything, inherited anything, he didn't mention winning the lottery. As I alluded to earlier, if you're getting a mortgage the bank are going to look at where your deposit came from, if it's from 'savings', does it make sense? they're going to see copies of you bank statements and payslips etc to check affordability. This is really basic stuff and something that would be expected of someone exchanging £55k in foreign currency, never mind £55m. That's all well and good but the problem isn't Quantuma, it's the lax measures in place when it comes to football club ownership and the nigh on impossible situation left for them to handle by the previous owner, with the difficulties exacerbated by outside parties wanting to take advantage of us for a quick buck. The alternate to Kirchner was.... ummm, wait for Mike Ashley to come and pick up the scraps with the club facing points deductions and further sanctions in League One, and there's not even a guarantee he'd have bothered in the end. In our situation the only choice was to entertain chancers because any serious businessman without an association to Derby wouldn't have touched us with a bargepole. Even though it was a painful process and they did obviously make mistakes, I'd dare anyone else to have got a better result in the end, regardless of the tribulations along the way. People should be thanking Quantuma for the work they did keeping the club afloat and working out all the deals that were in place for when David Clowes threw his hat in, not continuing the witch hunt against them. Edited July 12 by May Contain Nuts angieram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKANorwichExile Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood P Dowd Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 So we are definitely not having a whip round to help Kitchener pay off his $50 million then 😂😂😱 RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Have they given him "rich people prison" or "American barbaric prison"? GboroRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 I think his attempt to buy Derby is what started the chain of events into his personal funds. Like others have said, it raised question marks over where it all came from, it never passed UK money laundering checks and from there I think tip-offs to the FBI will have been made. So sad, how many more lives will Derby County ruin? Eddie, LeedsCityRam and FKANorwichExile 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Everyone seems to be losing sight of why Kirchener and Quantuma were ever involved with our club at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 8 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Everyone seems to be losing sight of why Kirchener and Quantuma were ever involved with our club at all Is that literally everyone 🤷🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 55 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Everyone seems to be losing sight of why Kirchener and Quantuma were ever involved with our club at all We all know why Quantuma were involved and who was at fault, but Kirchner was involved because he's a chancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 19 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: EFL will still clear him to buy a club when he is released. If he was incarerated in the uk, he could be our owner by the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Kirchner, wearing an orange jumpsuit at his sentencing on Thursday, was admonished by Judge Mark T. Pittman for his lack of cooperation and bad taste. FTFY Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammeister Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 I wonder if his missus has ‘still got The Kirch’? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 3 hours ago, SSD said: Enjoy prison time Chris. "I can be a friend for you" 😱 SSD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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