Brammie Steve Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) Watching Sibley in games recently I am more and more convinced that he is being over-managed! Zlatan used to say that he was a Ferrari being driven like a Fiat! Sir Matt Busby said to Bestie “George, just be in the round 15 minutes before kick-off and you’re in the team!” Sibley is too good to be micromanaged. Would it be best for Mr Warne to let him off the lead and play to his strengths? Use him or lose him to a Prem team and watch his value multiply for them! Edited October 22, 2023 by Brammie Steve DavesaRam, Wolfie20, TZM and 5 others 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 However good an attacking player he might be - he can play well as a fullback! - we'll not see it under Warne. He looked okay playing with Wilson and scored good goals. So why not play them again? I cannot begin to understand Warne's playing rationale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Brammie Steve said: Watching Sibley in games recently I am more and more convinced that he is being over-managed! Zlatan used to say that he was a Ferrari being driven like a Fiat! Sir Matt Busby said to Bestie “George, just be in the round 15 minutes before kick-off and you’re in the team!” Sibley is too good to be micromanaged. Would it be best for Mr Warne to let him off the lead and play to his strengths? Use him or lose him to a Prem team and watch his value multiply for them! To be fair to Warne this started with Rooney. Flattening out the fiery side of his game seems to have diminished him as a raw player. Or he could just not be living up to early promise as many players do but I love Sibley and tend to go for the former - like everyone he seems uncertain as to what he should be doing Kathcairns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Here we go again. We have had 1 bid in the last 4 years for him. £750k from Millwall. It's always someone's else fault. Tamworthram, lrm14, MickD and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oodledoodle Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 I do agree Sibs hasn't been helped by being played out of position for almost his entire spell in the senior side, by current and previous managers. And that must have hampered his progress. At the same time I wonder how we'd feel about him if he wasn't an academy graduate. We all love "our own" products and want nothing more than for them to make it as the finished item. Would we feel the same about him if we'd signed him from elsewhere? I think we'd possibly be much less patient and keen for him to be picked. I also think that a(s Wildsmith said in an interview previously) being an academy player makes you easier to drop. Whilst NML has put in some excellent performances for us, he seems undroppable regardless of performances. Compare that to the playtime that Sibs gets when he has a quiet game, to me it seems really unfair. One 6/10 performance and sibs is on the bench for weeks, when if Nat does the same, he's still picked next week. I don't think he's been given a fair crack at all. He has to be allowed to make mistakes and learn. norwichram, DavesaRam and MickD 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 He's not a winger he isn't quick enough for it. Play him cam let him have games there or don't play him at all Malty and Rich3478 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Good players can thrive where ever they play. Sibs first touch, strength on the ball and passing aren't anywhere near good enough from my perspective. I understand of course that others have a different view. lrm14, DerbyAleMan, Grumpy Git and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: Good players can thrive where ever they play. Sibs first touch, strength on the ball and passing aren't anywhere near good enough from my perspective. I understand of course that others have a different view. Could argue if he’s played in CAM and gets good delivery into him then he won’t have to battle as much to get anything away. DavesaRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 minute ago, YouRams said: Could argue if he’s played in CAM and gets good delivery into him then he won’t have to battle as much to get anything away. He played CAM at Carlisle and was awful. Magicman and MickD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, oodledoodle said: I do agree Sibs hasn't been helped by being played out of position for almost his entire spell in the senior side, by current and previous managers. And that must have hampered his progress. At the same time I wonder how we'd feel about him if he wasn't an academy graduate. We all love "our own" products and want nothing more than for them to make it as the finished item. Would we feel the same about him if we'd signed him from elsewhere? I think we'd possibly be much less patient and keen for him to be picked. I also think that a(s Wildsmith said in an interview previously) being an academy player makes you easier to drop. Whilst NML has put in some excellent performances for us, he seems undroppable regardless of performances. Compare that to the playtime that Sibs gets when he has a quiet game, to me it seems really unfair. One 6/10 performance and sibs is on the bench for weeks, when if Nat does the same, he's still picked next week. I don't think he's been given a fair crack at all. He has to be allowed to make mistakes and learn. Did you see how the fans reacted to Fornah in his first few games, like he was the second coming? Our young players are often judged differently to ones we buy in. Now we have a manager in that seems to prefer 'his' players to the ones already here, so that he even played Fornah as a 10 before he played the squad's best finisher there. oodledoodle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 minute ago, sage said: He played CAM at Carlisle and was awful. That's it then he's had his chance, back to fullback with him. Magicman and Carl Sagan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoooMarkWright Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Brammie Steve said: Watching Sibley in games recently I am more and more convinced that he is being over-managed! Zlatan used to say that he was a Ferrari being driven like a Fiat! Sir Matt Busby said to Bestie “George, just be in the round 15 minutes before kick-off and you’re in the team!” Sibley is too good to be micromanaged. Would it be best for Mr Warne to let him off the lead and play to his strengths? Use him or lose him to a Prem team and watch his value multiply for them! There’s not a chance a Prem team will be looking at Sibley. I like Sibley but he has to do better. Should’ve scored yesterday with a very good chance and didn’t impress hugely. I hope he keeps his place, but not sure where he fits into our current system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 I like Sibley but he's just not as good as some think he is or what they thought he would be nogbad van 50 and Magicman 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thameram Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 His best and most consistent form was at left back where he looked a good player his tackling and driving from deep were a benefit to the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Just get him off the wing, his runs against Notts were great when he was through the middle. Warne doesn't seem to know what to do with technical forwards though, just wants crosses and big men then use a small man to to stretch things when required (Washington). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 24 minutes ago, tomsdubs said: Just get him off the wing, his runs against Notts were great when he was through the middle. Warne doesn't seem to know what to do with technical forwards though, just wants crosses and big men then use a small man to to stretch things when required (Washington). He played the same position at Notts. Outside right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HectorsHouse Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 30 minutes ago, tomsdubs said: Warne doesn't seem to know what to do with technical forwards though, just wants crosses and big men then use a small man to to stretch things when required (Washington). … and how’s that working out for us…? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, sage said: He played the same position at Notts. Outside right. He came in to the middle of the pitch a lot more though, as underdogs we had to play a counter attacking hybrid winger system. If we had tried to compete technically in the centre of the pitch those league two centre mids would have ran the game (they did anyway but yeah). ck- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Just now, HectorsHouse said: … and how’s that working out for us…? Terribly because Warne's tactics are shocking. MickD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich3478 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Wouldn’t be against him playing left back again, seemed to enjoy having the space to run into, crossing was excellent. Wing back required too much running. otherwise he needs to play centrally. Is wasted out wide but again we have very limited options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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