RoyMac5 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, GangwayD said: Warne has gone on record he loves a cross, and whilst it’s probably served him well over the years we don’t have the strike force. Collins has got on the end of an odd one but nowhere near enough. I agree in that at our goal and chances (Washington, Bird and Hourihane) came from the bit of Football we played so either the players are not capable of doing this consistently or the manager does not want too or can’t coach them. Worryingly a couple of players look completely out of sorts. He also seems to hook or drop the same players. I almost feel sorry for him, as he’s starting to look a broken man. I’m really split on wether he should go now or let’s evaluate come December - could we trust him with another transfer window knowing how many are going to be at out contract or will probably move on. They might not be listening but the outside noise must be deafening… Gangway D from the terrace How can you stick with a manager who insists on playing a way that doesn't suit our strikers? It isn't even a few crosses, it's constant, plus long throws too into the box. How can you feel sorry for such an obstinate man who is coming across as 'footballing stupid'? It's nearly all his doing. What happened in the second half? Who was playing where and for how long?! Can't let this man buy anymore wingbacks or players for his bankrupt system. Out now while there is still a chance at top2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 26 minutes ago, Dean (hick) Saunders said: Not many were enjoying the Cocu, Rosenior football though which kept possession and did not score. The people wanting Rosenior back do not really want what we had, but are hoping that it could eventually turn into something better than it was. The thing is, it’s obvious how that Cocu/Rosenior stuff turns into really good football - it really doesn’t take that much, just move it slightly quicker, be a bit smarter in when to take risks or not, just tiny improvements really, a lot of which would have come from just playing together more (especially the Rosenior era). I have no clue what it would take to turn this team into a proper Warne team, but we seem a million miles away from it. vonwright 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangwayD Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: How can you stick with a manager who insists on playing a way that doesn't suit our strikers? It isn't even a few crosses, it's constant, plus long throws too into the box. How can you feel sorry for such an obstinate man who is coming across as 'footballing stupid'? It's nearly all his doing. What happened in the second half? Who was playing where and for how long?! Can't let this man buy anymore wingbacks or players for his bankrupt system. Out now while there is still a chance at top2. As we both have acknowledged, we have seem flashers of good football, but his insistent on crosses without the players to play this way is baffling - li don’t want us to play this way either. The most annoying thing there is nothing innovative - we just bang it in and hope someone gets on the end of it. Same with the long throws. I saw a set routine at Peterborough away (Waghorn had a shot) but other than that, nothing. Nelson’s long throws could be varied - huge space is offered for a feet return then work a more dangerous position but we just lob it on and hope for the best. DC employed him and it would be an admitting defeat, so I think he will stick with him, for now. As I stated he hooks or drops the same players and today he seemed to be trying to change things every two minutes to find a solution - the players must have been completely confused. I do feel sorry for him. In his interview he looked and sounded lost. He will desperately want to succeed but i just can’t see it happening. I honestly don’t think we have a Top 2 squad (Defence is good, Midfield okay but wrong blend, Strikers, no chance) but we should be challenging and easily be play offs. Gangway D from the terrace Edited October 28, 2023 by GangwayD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, GangwayD said: ...I honestly don’t think we have a Top 2 squad (Defence is good, Midfield okay but wrong blend, Strikers, no chance) but we should be challenging and easily be play offs. Gangway D from the terrace I think we do - look how we went unbeaten last season. Warne had no idea how and why though. 😄 We need a manager who understands what players can and can't do and how to put that together as a team. Greater than the sum of its parts. We have a good to very good squad at this level. Miggins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwash_Ram Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, GangwayD said: Warne has gone on record many times saying he loves a cross Which is ironic as we have been crucified the last 2 away games. 🙂 Edited October 28, 2023 by Bwash_Ram Jimbo Ram, RoyMac5, ck- and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 35 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: How can you stick with a manager who insists on playing a way that doesn't suit our strikers? It isn't even a few crosses, it's constant, plus long throws too into the box. How can you feel sorry for such an obstinate man who is coming across as 'footballing stupid'? It's nearly all his doing. What happened in the second half? Who was playing where and for how long?! Can't let this man buy anymore wingbacks or players for his bankrupt system. Out now while there is still a chance at top2. Bit like Wazza in his first season Macca, equally as bad 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 39 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: How can you stick with a manager who insists on playing a way that doesn't suit our strikers? It isn't even a few crosses, it's constant, plus long throws too into the box. How can you feel sorry for such an obstinate man who is coming across as 'footballing stupid'? It's nearly all his doing. What happened in the second half? Who was playing where and for how long?! Can't let this man buy anymore wingbacks or players for his bankrupt system. Out now while there is still a chance at top2. Unless you scrap the offside rule, how on earth do you set up a side to suit James Collins? RoyMac5, Adslegend, angieram and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangwayD Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I think we do - look how we went unbeaten last season. Warne had no idea how and why though. 😄 We need a manager who understands what players can and can't do and how to put that together as a team. Greater than the sum of its parts. We have a good to very good squad at this level. Brings me back to me banging on about not replacing Didzy. His movement, taking the ball in tight areas, moving the ball quickly and/or spreading play, thus stretching the pitch, it helped the whole team as well as being a father figure to Dobbin and Will Osula, plus his goals. Writing was on the wall for Warne having not seen this. I know people will argue he ain’t had the funds but that’s a massive achilles heel. For me that’s why we ain’t Top 2, but should comfortably be Top 6 and then January we get the best striker we can (should have done it before imo) Not sure I’d trust Warne with another window, but some of the names being mentioned I wouldn’t trust them either ! Gangway D from the terrace RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, GangwayD said: Brings me back to me banging on about not replacing Didzy. His movement, taking the ball in tight areas, moving the ball quickly and/or spreading play, thus stretching the pitch, it helped the whole team as well as being a father figure to Dobbin and Will Osula, plus his goals. Writing was on the wall for Warne having not seen this. I know people will argue he ain’t had the funds but that’s a massive achilles heel. For me that’s why we ain’t Top 2, but should comfortably be Top 6 and then January we get the best striker we can (should have done it before imo) Not sure I’d trust Warne with another window, but some of the names being mentioned I wouldn’t trust them either ! Gangway D from the terrace The trouble with giving him another window is, it's more of a certain type of player who probably won't suit the next manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkley Ram Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Just now, sage said: The trouble with giving him another window is, it's more of a certain type of player who probably won't suit the next manager. I also don't think he can attract the kind of player we need. I can't imagine there will be many players banging down the door to play the kind of football we've been playing lately. RoyMac5, r_wilcockson and Miggins 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 39 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: The thing is, it’s obvious how that Cocu/Rosenior stuff turns into really good football - it really doesn’t take that much, just move it slightly quicker, be a bit smarter in when to take risks or not, just tiny improvements really, a lot of which would have come from just playing together more (especially the Rosenior era). I have no clue what it would take to turn this team into a proper Warne team, but we seem a million miles away from it. No, Cocu and Rosenior stuff is tedious, safe, anti-football designed by statasticians and an anethama to anyone with a footballing soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: No, Cocu and Rosenior stuff is tedious, safe, anti-football designed by statasticians and an anethama to anyone with a footballing soul. You must have really hated that prime McClaren team… Walkley Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, CornwallRam said: No, Cocu and Rosenior stuff is tedious, safe, anti-football designed by statasticians and an anethama to anyone with a footballing soul. I’d take the tedious stuff Liam is delivering at Hull 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, duncanjwitham said: You must have really hated that prime McClaren team… McClaren did not play safe football. His style with us - which I believe was actually highly influenced by Paul Simpson, was nothing like Cocu's. DavesaRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, CornwallRam said: McClaren did not play safe football. His style with us - which I believe was actually highly influenced by Paul Simpson, was nothing like Cocu's. McClaren’s style is what you get when you let a bunch of players get comfortable together in Rosenior/Cocu type football. All it takes is a bit more confidence in each other to cut out the backwards passes when we’ve already broken the lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangwayD Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, sage said: The trouble with giving him another window is, it's more of a certain type of player who probably won't suit the next manager. This is true Sage. I dare say Warne would bring in a couple of very powerful players, although he says it’s the strongest squad he’s ever had - or words to that effect, so what does he think he needs. it shows how critical management appointment is if the squad doesn’t suit a managers style. This current squad can’t play high press as it doesn’t have the legs, nor does crossing the ball in the box when we don’t have the strikers to suit or a midfielder who drives into the box to get on the end of things. Only caveat I would say, is a new manager will be building almost a new team - is it 8 we have out of contract, so don’t think it’s that critical. Gangway D from the terrace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnstile Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 hours ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: I'm genuinely curious to hear any arguments for keeping Warne beyond "Clowes doesn't want to pay the money to sack him". I won't argue against any points raised, I just want to hear any sort of defense/reasoning for keeping him. There aren’t any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcfcsr92 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Dean (hick) Saunders said: I’m anti sack Warne, then punt on someone else in hope that it works. Not sure if that makes me pro Warne by default. Im not sure any manager can resolve the goal scoring problem without recruiting someone who we cannot recruit. This problem has been around since Cocu with several managers other than when we all to briefly had McGoldOne. We desperately need to find a gem forward from none league or somewhere. Until this happens we can keep perming different managers with likely similar outcomes. Nigel Clough to Stevie mac say no more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Let's face it, if the Club decides to keep Warne we have to accept that all the "flair" players who aren't mobile and aggressive enough for the style he wants to play will be gone at the end of this season. They're nearly all out of contract anyway. He will then bring in the sort of players he wants. We will then have to sit it out and see what that looks like next season because we aren't achieving anything trying to play Warne's style of football with this squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 5 hours ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: I'm genuinely curious to hear any arguments for keeping Warne beyond "Clowes doesn't want to pay the money to sack him". I won't argue against any points raised, I just want to hear any sort of defense/reasoning for keeping him. The indefatigable argument is that is the only compelling case to keep Warne on. Everything else is therefore unfortunately irrelevant JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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