May Contain Nuts Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) The midfield situation would probably be helped (although not solved) if we didn't do stupid things like playing our combative / defensive midfielder (Fornah) too far forward and leaving him stranded up the pitch when his (individual) press doesn't win us the the ball back, which leaves the opposition with a straight run at Korey Smith who's sat where Fornah should be. Edited October 23, 2023 by Kokosnuss DanS1992 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkley Ram Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said: The midfield situation would probably be helped (although not solved) if we didn't do stupid things like playing our combative / defensive midfielder (Fornah) too far forward and leaving him stranded up the pitch when his (individual) press doesn't win us the the ball back, which leaves the opposition with a straight run at Korey Smith who's sat where Fornah should be. So many long balls on Saturday just went over the head of our "press". And when cash and Fornah were up the pitch, it just sailed over them. In fairness, the penny did drop eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I’m still pro-Warne, as much as I was at the start of the season. I think the players as a collective have a lot to answer for, and I don’t mean it as they aren’t trying or good enough, I just find them characterless and especially the ones Rosenior signed up. I think there’s a group of players there who have obviously not been resigned by other clubs because they were decent squad players but don’t consistently put in enough good dominating performances over a season. Ultimately I would put the likes of Bird and Sibley in a similar boat. Like last season, how much did we rely on McGoldricks goals? Yes, Warne has had a couple of transfer windows but they are players who are also taking up his budget and are difficult to shift. I said a few weeks ago but I’m reminded of the early Clough years in that he has players he needs shift but can’t until contracts run out, I still think that’s the case and if Clowes gets rid of Warne now I doubt we’d see a quick fix (and even if there was I’m not convinced we are in a position to compete in the championship just yet). Thats not to say Warne hasn’t made mistakes, he had and continues to do so. The biggest was making Hourihane captain and the process he proudly told everyone about. I don’t think it helped the mentality and gave the players too much power in that moment when he’d presumably lined up the captaincy for Sonny Bradley. When I saw the video of Hourihane with the fans, I get the impression he’s I’m essentially saying ‘it’s not our fault’ as players and it didn’t fill me with confidence as a captain that the players fully behind what Warne is trying to do. It’s a lot to take from that video after a loss, but I’m just going on his body language and what he’s saying. I don’t think it’s a good look I think he needed to bring Bradley into his 11 before now, which is a difficult decision due to the form of the defence but I think he needed his players with a fresh mentality in his 11. I don’t think he’s put enough of his stamp onto the squad just yet. Some of that has been because of the injuries to Ward and Elder as well, but I think the big thing is he’s missing is his leader on the pitch. Do we have anyone who’s really pointing fingers, getting others riled up or wanting to win? I don’t see it at the minute and I haven’t for a good while. It’s ultimately the mentality of the players to me, and Warne has to take the brunt of that. Tomorrow is huge for Warne’s future and I’ll be really interested to see what team he puts out, but I hope he is willing to have a bit of a reset rather than this wishy washy approach of having his style of play but having a formation that is trying to keep everyone happy. I think it’s time for Warne to set out a side and formation that he wants to work and bypass the players it doesn’t suit andyburton72 and On the Ram Page 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabby'sThighs Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Tamworthram said: You may well be right but you and the previous 9,999 people don’t actually know that the club can’t afford to sack him. I agree that results may improve but I reckon it would take a decent winning streak (not draws) to settle the natives and allow us to perhaps overlook the poor quality of football usually on show. Anything less than a win against Exeter and things will get even more unpleasant. On the other hand, win our next three games (by hook or by crook) and I reckon most will suspend their anger/frustration at least briefly. True, it's kind of guesswork... Just going off the transfer restrictions, I assume it's going to be a fair chunk of the overall budget. Probably worth at this stage though. I'm also now thinking about the cost of another season in League One, low attendances, and the prospect of losing Bird, Cashin, Sibley, Wildsmith, Barkhuizen, etc. next summer for very little money! Tamworthram and jimtastic56 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On the Ram Page Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, TuffLuff said: I’m still pro-Warne, as much as I was at the start of the season. I think the players as a collective have a lot to answer for, and I don’t mean it as they aren’t trying or good enough, I just find them characterless and especially the ones Rosenior signed up. I think there’s a group of players there who have obviously not been resigned by other clubs because they were decent squad players but don’t consistently put in enough good dominating performances over a season. Ultimately I would put the likes of Bird and Sibley in a similar boat. Like last season, how much did we rely on McGoldricks goals? Yes, Warne has had a couple of transfer windows but they are players who are also taking up his budget and are difficult to shift. I said a few weeks ago but I’m reminded of the early Clough years in that he has players he needs shift but can’t until contracts run out, I still think that’s the case and if Clowes gets rid of Warne now I doubt we’d see a quick fix (and even if there was I’m not convinced we are in a position to compete in the championship just yet). Thats not to say Warne hasn’t made mistakes, he had and continues to do so. The biggest was making Hourihane captain and the process he proudly told everyone about. I don’t think it helped the mentality and gave the players too much power in that moment when he’d presumably lined up the captaincy for Sonny Bradley. When I saw the video of Hourihane with the fans, I get the impression he’s I’m essentially saying ‘it’s not our fault’ as players and it didn’t fill me with confidence as a captain that the players fully behind what Warne is trying to do. It’s a lot to take from that video after a loss, but I’m just going on his body language and what he’s saying. I don’t think it’s a good look I think he needed to bring Bradley into his 11 before now, which is a difficult decision due to the form of the defence but I think he needed his players with a fresh mentality in his 11. I don’t think he’s put enough of his stamp onto the squad just yet. Some of that has been because of the injuries to Ward and Elder as well, but I think the big thing is he’s missing is his leader on the pitch. Do we have anyone who’s really pointing fingers, getting others riled up or wanting to win? I don’t see it at the minute and I haven’t for a good while. It’s ultimately the mentality of the players to me, and Warne has to take the brunt of that. Tomorrow is huge for Warne’s future and I’ll be really interested to see what team he puts out, but I hope he is willing to have a bit of a reset rather than this wishy washy approach of having his style of play but having a formation that is trying to keep everyone happy. I think it’s time for Warne to set out a side and formation that he wants to work and bypass the players it doesn’t suit Good post TuffLuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Kokosnuss said: The midfield situation would probably be helped (although not solved) if we didn't do stupid things like playing our combative / defensive midfielder (Fornah) too far forward and leaving him stranded up the pitch when his (individual) press doesn't win us the the ball back, which leaves the opposition with a straight run at Korey Smith who's sat where Fornah should be. Yep. Should have switched to 4231 within 20 minutes. It was obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney1991 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 This thread needs to be deleted on the basis it says pro warne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, Barney1991 said: This thread needs to be deleted on the basis it says pro warne We could collectively just forget to post on it Rename it Pro Lapse Barney1991 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 6 hours ago, CongletonRam said: I think there are tens of thousands of pro-Warne fans, actuallly probably more than anti Warne fans. Why don't more post on here? Probably for the same reasons as me. For every time they do, they are hit with a barrage from that vocal minority asking to justify their opinion. That barrage can become unpleasant and sometimes rude and occasionally mockingly. Nobody needs or deserves that. My opinion of PW and DCFC hasn't altered. I understand and respect the opinion of those wanting PW out, but I do not believe they are right. I have gone into the reasons on another thread but I will say again; I believe that Clowes will be 100% behind Warne irrespective of whether we finish in the top 6 or not. A few disgruntled fans won't make any difference. The loud minority are in all likelihood made up with a majority of younger fans. Im not young unfortunately but can you tell me if you are enjoying the football being played? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkley Ram Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: Im not young unfortunately but can you tell me if you are enjoying the football being played? I too wish I was young. I'm too close to death to carry on watching this crap football. jimtastic56, angieram and RoyMac5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, oodledoodle said: I too wish I was young. I'm too close to death to carry on watching this crap football. Crikey. That’s raised everyone’s spirits. Walkley Ram, jimtastic56 and Kathcairns 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkley Ram Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, Tamworthram said: Crikey. That’s raised everyone’s spirits. I'm available for weddings and parties RoyMac5 and jimtastic56 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, oodledoodle said: I'm available for weddings and parties And wakes? Walkley Ram and jimtastic56 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier ram Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 On 22/10/2023 at 10:06, Jram said: Anyone else still willing to give this time? Don’t seem to be many on the forum. I don’t think we’ve been that bad (albeit I wasn’t there yesterday). Sounded like we had some good spells in the game though and we’ve had some brilliant performances (Peterborough, Blackpool) Big squad turnover in the summer so willing to give it chance to come together. We’ve had some bad luck with injuries and decisions which will hopefully turn. I think some of the anti-warne sentiment is the immediate anger of losing to so-called lesser clubs but, unfortunately, we were always going to lose games across a 46 game season so no need to panic I am willing to give him the rest of the season , far too early to be writing us off yet , good results in the next 3 games and everything looks different , it’s that fine margins , it’s now down to the staff and players , who knows Saturday could be the turning point. COYR Jram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkley Ram Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Premier ram said: I am willing to give him the rest of the season , far too early to be writing us off yet , good results in the next 3 games and everything looks different , it’s that fine margins , it’s now down to the staff and players , who knows Saturday could be the turning point. COYR Have you written tomorrow night off already? RoyMac5 and jimtastic56 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier ram Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, oodledoodle said: Have you written tomorrow night off already? Saturday just gone I meant Walkley Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkley Ram Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Premier ram said: Saturday just gone I meant I hope so. Succeeding with Warne is still (obviously) the best case scenario for the club. Tamworthram and angieram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, oodledoodle said: Have you written tomorrow night off already? Tomorrow night will be the turning point upwards, then Saturday the turning point back down again 😜 Just kidding. (I'm not sure tomorrow night will be a turning point upwards). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerphilly Ram Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Duplicating this across two threads as it’s potentially relevant to the whole conversation. I’m interested to hear what’s said about finances Tamworthram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I'm still tied to "Warne In" but I am hanging on by an absolute thread. Feel he needs to completely change this side's mentality and attacking game plan to turn this around. Will he do this? Hope so. Can he do this? Not sure. FlyBritishMidland, angieram and Caerphilly Ram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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