Can anyone actually name a single improvement Warne has done since arriving?

[angieram]

He has certainly grown the length of the injury list! 

Edited September 28, 2023 by angieram

[Curtains]

The squad is improving IMO

[Terry Hennessy]

I think Warne is doing a good job under difficult circumstances...which I don't need to state here ...as surely we all understand the turmoil we've been through and the millions we've wasted over  the years. Warne has a proven track record at this level and I'd be surprised if we didn't get promotion this year / next year....and yes, it might not be pretty.

If football was an exact science then at least one of those 17 managers we've had since 2007 would have achieved success for us...but no - only failure. Football fans want instant success...I get that...but it rarely happens does it. I for one want stability at my club and not this constant merry go round of management change...which has got us where we are today...coupled with a cavalier attitude to financial management....UTR

[Archied]

I keep seeing this lack of interest in the academy players for the first team accusation thrown at warne , do we not realise our academy has had its heart ripped out just as much as the rest of the club ,,, perhaps we are trying to bring in young players and build an under 21 team that has a base and some stability without the need to keep pulling them into the first team for a while , from what I hear our under 21 s are getting beaten game on game , maybe there’s a thought process of building a regular competitive team there again , getting bashed up regularly is not a good confidence builder in young players to step up to first team football, we are rebuilding the WHOLE club from the brink of extinction and bare bones 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Chris_Martin]

On 26/09/2023 at 02:51, MickD said:

You should have called it "More pointless Warne bashing" Find somewhere else to post your dross

can you think of one?

[Chris_Martin]

14 hours ago, Jimbo Ram said:

Bit like under Wazza in his first season, not great to be in the job because your employer can’t afford to give you your P45. To be fair performances aren’t quite as bad as they were under Wayne during the second half of that season 🤔

similar. just that we faced much tougher opposition under wayne

[Leeds Ram]

5 hours ago, ramit said:

Warne is the manager chosen by our literal savior to lead us during the first steps of rebuilding after disaster and near collapse.  He will not be fired any time soon, that much needs accepting.  Logically then, it makes no sense to moan about anything to do with the club presently, the best we can do as fans is give our unconditional support to the owner, the players and the management team, however bitter that last bit may be to swallow.  Less demands and entitlement, more humility and gratitude.

Not sure if this a great joke or a serious post.... If it's serious, then it's absolutely bonkers. At what point can we start critiquing the decisions made by Clowes? Is there a sell-by date where saving the club loses its power for us to say Warne is the wrong man? Of course, every derby fan will forever be grateful to Clowes for saving the club. How could we not be. But that doesn't mean thinking every move he makes is right, nor do we lose our right as fans to have our say. If we take anything from the Morris era, it should be that allowing an owner carte blanche for whatever reason is a lousy idea. 

So far on the big calls I'd say he's 0-3. I thought he was wrong to oust Rosenior after 10 games, wrong to bring Paul Warne in, and wrong to keep Pearce around. On the plus side, he's stabilised the club, not been reckless with the cash and seems to have brought a much better culture with him at the club. 

[winktheram]

6 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said:

Not sure if this a great joke or a serious post.... If it's serious, then it's absolutely bonkers. At what point can we start critiquing the decisions made by Clowes? Is there a sell-by date where saving the club loses its power for us to say Warne is the wrong man? Of course, every derby fan will forever be grateful to Clowes for saving the club. How could we not be. But that doesn't mean thinking every move he makes is right, nor do we lose our right as fans to have our say. If we take anything from the Morris era, it should be that allowing an owner carte blanche for whatever reason is a lousy idea. 

So far on the big calls I'd say he's 0-3. I thought he was wrong to oust Rosenior after 10 games, wrong to bring Paul Warne in, and wrong to keep Pearce around. On the plus side, he's stabilised the club, not been reckless with the cash and seems to have brought a much better culture with him at the club. 

3-3 then

[Ghost of Clough]

2 hours ago, CongletonRam said:

 

I don't doubt it, but the voices of discontent at games are growing and this can only have a detrimental effect on the team.

Our fans expectations are not in keeping with the current set up at the club.

We are nothing more than a fairly average Division One side and we don't have the financial resources to improve on that anytime soon.

I find it more likely that Warne will leave of his own volition when he discovers we don't really have a pot to piss in financially and his job will be as it has been thus far, to compete with the clubs in and around us over bang average players on free transfers.

Out of interest, what are your realistic expectations for DCFC this season and what would represent a disappointing season?

What utter nonsense. Everyone at the club has talked of winning promotion this season as the aim. Warne has even targeted top 3. Our budget at the very least is top 6, and a chance of it actually being the highest wage bill in the league this season. We are 8 games in, sit 9th in the table thanks to an over reliance on set pieces and Waggy magic, whilst performing more like a bottom half side not far off the relegation spots.

Anything less than promotion this season is a failure.

[RoyMac5]

6 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

What utter nonsense. Everyone at the club has talked of winning promotion this season as the aim. Warne has even targeted top 3. Our budget at the very least is top 6, and a chance of it actually being the highest wage bill in the league this season. We are 8 games in, sit 9th in the table thanks to an over reliance on set pieces and Waggy magic, whilst performing more like a bottom half side not far off the relegation spots.

Anything less than promotion this season is a failure.

Like it was last season. Clowes must have 'expected' the experienced promotion specialist Warne to get us promoted last season, else why not stick with Rosenior? Whilst having a stable club is obviously good, having a club that stagnates is not. So I can't see Clowes allowing another failure.

[ramit]

8 hours ago, Leeds Ram said:

Not sure if this a great joke or a serious post.... If it's serious, then it's absolutely bonkers. At what point can we start critiquing the decisions made by Clowes? Is there a sell-by date where saving the club loses its power for us to say Warne is the wrong man? Of course, every derby fan will forever be grateful to Clowes for saving the club. How could we not be. But that doesn't mean thinking every move he makes is right, nor do we lose our right as fans to have our say. If we take anything from the Morris era, it should be that allowing an owner carte blanche for whatever reason is a lousy idea. 

So far on the big calls I'd say he's 0-3. I thought he was wrong to oust Rosenior after 10 games, wrong to bring Paul Warne in, and wrong to keep Pearce around. On the plus side, he's stabilised the club, not been reckless with the cash and seems to have brought a much better culture with him at the club. 

Giving support does not equate agreeing with everything decided and done, constructive criticism should always be welcome, but moaning for the sake of it, wallowing in negativity, demanding beautiful football in the middle of reconstruction is just daft and is of no help to the team at this time, or any other actually, the opposite in fact I would strongly suggest, as in negativity breeds negativity.

Many of the comments in the Carlisle away thread for instance were absolutely ridiculous.  The game ended 0-2 but that wasn't good enough, because what, we are mighty Derby, should be wiping the floor with the likes of little Carlisle?  Many here need to get real, it takes time to build the club up again.  That being said, of course we can and should have goals for this season, not making the play-offs would be considered a failure and rightly so IMO.

I think Clowes has done most things correct so far, I agreed with getting rid of Rosenior, as I believe that possession football is not suitable in the lower divisions with the player pool available.  Warne has this season to get us into the play-offs for me, after that he is fair game for scalping if that be called for.

[Brammie Steve]

Had things not been resolved we could have been reading something like:-

Northern Conference League Division Three

Racecourse Derby

16/9/23

Derby Phoenix 0 - 1 Etwall Reserves

Let’s be thankful for what we’ve got!

[Jimbo Ram]

8 hours ago, FlyBritishMidland said:

That’s an excellent point.  There are several posts on several threads about the current football being the worst they’ve ever seen.  Those posters either have very short memories or only started watching us in the last year or so because that season was dreadful.  It was almost as if we’d decided to just play how the opposition played and beat them at their own game, be that formation or style of play.  The only blessing was that due to COVID we weren’t allowed into grounds to watch it!!

Yes, the second half of that season was quite possibly the worst I have ever seen. Abysmal 😊

[On the Ram Page]

2 hours ago, Leeds Ram said:

Not sure if this a great joke or a serious post.... If it's serious, then it's absolutely bonkers. At what point can we start critiquing the decisions made by Clowes? Is there a sell-by date where saving the club loses its power for us to say Warne is the wrong man? Of course, every derby fan will forever be grateful to Clowes for saving the club. How could we not be. But that doesn't mean thinking every move he makes is right, nor do we lose our right as fans to have our say. If we take anything from the Morris era, it should be that allowing an owner carte blanche for whatever reason is a lousy idea. 

So far on the big calls I'd say he's 0-3. I thought he was wrong to oust Rosenior after 10 games, wrong to bring Paul Warne in, and wrong to keep Pearce around. On the plus side, he's stabilised the club, not been reckless with the cash and seems to have brought a much better culture with him at the club. 

If David Clowes hadn’t saved the Club you wouldn’t be on here constantly moaning. Possibly Don Amott might be the subject of your negativity instead. In my view Clowes has carte  blanche to do whatever he wishes for a few years yet. He will run the Club as he sees fit and employ who he wants to employ. The Club is gradually being transformed totally I guess, even if most of us aren’t aware of the steps being taken.

First and foremost Clowes is a Derby County fan - he is totally aware of our current internal situation (unlike us) and no doubt, just like us would like to see better performances than we have seen so far. The only difference is that he has stumped up millions to save our club - I know you have bought your season ticket and have you travelling costs. But there is a huge difference and I think he deserves our support, rather than questioning his early tenure. If he believes that Pearce is the right person to employ, knowing fully what has happened in the past, then who are we the question his decision.

Under Paul Warne our away results have improved, lest we not forget previous terrible runs. We do need to improve at home, but for many visiting teams a visit to Pride Park is their FA Cup Final and make things difficult for us.I am sure things will improve as some of our players return. We have had cruel luck with injuries so far and I just don’t buy the idea that these are caused by the current training regime (which of course to many is Paul Warner’s fault too).

For goodness sake, there are a few “fans” who need to bite their lips and not behave like spoilt children because they can’t immediately have all the toys for Christmas they wanted. If you can’t support our Club, in these early years of rebuild, go and “support” some other club or start your own Forum “ Negative Rams Members Only”. There are a few that would love to contribute.

[sage]

5 hours ago, CongletonRam said:

 

I don't doubt it, but the voices of discontent at games are growing and this can only have a detrimental effect on the team.

Our fans expectations are not in keeping with the current set up at the club.

We are nothing more than a fairly average Division One side and we don't have the financial resources to improve on that anytime soon.

I find it more likely that Warne will leave of his own volition when he discovers we don't really have a pot to piss in financially and his job will be as it has been thus far, to compete with the clubs in and around us over bang average players on free transfers.

Out of interest, what are your realistic expectations for DCFC this season and what would represent a disappointing season?

We have a top 6 budget with top 1 facilities and I expect a top 6 finish.

 

[sage]

26 minutes ago, On the Ram Page said:

If David Clowes hadn’t saved the Club you wouldn’t be on here constantly moaning. Possibly Don Amott might be the subject of your negativity instead. In my view Clowes has carte  blanche to do whatever he wishes for a few years yet. He will run the Club as he sees fit and employ who he wants to employ. The Club is gradually being transformed totally I guess, even if most of us aren’t aware of the steps being taken.

First and foremost Clowes is a Derby County fan - he is totally aware of our current internal situation (unlike us) and no doubt, just like us would like to see better performances than we have seen so far. The only difference is that he has stumped up millions to save our club - I know you have bought your season ticket and have you travelling costs. But there is a huge difference and I think he deserves our support, rather than questioning his early tenure. If he believes that Pearce is the right person to employ, knowing fully what has happened in the past, then who are we the question his decision.

Under Paul Warne our away results have improved, lest we not forget previous terrible runs. We do need to improve at home, but for many visiting teams a visit to Pride Park is their FA Cup Final and make things difficult for us.I am sure things will improve as some of our players return. We have had cruel luck with injuries so far and I just don’t buy the idea that these are caused by the current training regime (which of course to many is Paul Warner’s fault too).

For goodness sake, there are a few “fans” who need to bite their lips and not behave like spoilt children because they can’t immediately have all the toys for Christmas they wanted. If you can’t support our Club, in these early years of rebuild, go and “support” some other club or start your own Forum “ Negative Rams Members Only”. There are a few that would love to contribute.

So anyone unhappy with Warne or the way we are playing should go and support someone else?

Utter tripe.

 

[Leeds Ram]

2 hours ago, ramit said:

Giving support does not equate agreeing with everything decided and done, constructive criticism should always be welcome, but moaning for the sake of it, wallowing in negativity, demanding beautiful football in the middle of reconstruction is just daft and is of no help to the team at this time, or any other actually, the opposite in fact I would strongly suggest, as in negativity breeds negativity.

Many of the comments in the Carlisle away thread for instance were absolutely ridiculous.  The game ended 0-2 but that wasn't good enough, because what, we are mighty Derby, should be wiping the floor with the likes of little Carlisle?  Many here need to get real, it takes time to build the club up again.  That being said, of course we can and should have goals for this season, not making the play-offs would be considered a failure and rightly so IMO.

I think Clowes has done most things correct so far, I agreed with getting rid of Rosenior, as I believe that possession football is not suitable in the lower divisions with the player pool available.  Warne has this season to get us into the play-offs for me, after that he is fair game for scalping if that be called for.

The vast majority of the criticism I have seen has been constructive. I'm very critical of the decision made to bring Warne in, how Warne has managed the squad and the way we approach games. I've been constructive in my critiques saying why i think we're on the wrong path and what i think we need to see corrected. No-one is wallowing in negativity and nor are we demanding Barcelona football. But we've played poorly too regularly for too long and it is starting to grate on people. 

It's not that we should be wiping the floor with little old Carlisle it's that the performance is a reflection of the terrible performances we've consistently seen. Eric Steele, an experienced man in football, was absolutely scathing about our performance and demanded better. I think he's a realistic man and is hardly one who wallows in negativity either. 

Possession football is totally doable in this division. Plymouth played a possession based game and wiped the floor with the division. So did Brentford before them, Bournemouth before them and Swansea before them. This is off the top of my head. We looked far better and more comfortable under Rosenior playing a possession based game than we have done under Warne playing basketball.

[SaffyRam]

I seem to recall David Clowes saying there was a 5-year plan to get us back to the Championship.

[Leeds Ram]

54 minutes ago, On the Ram Page said:

If David Clowes hadn’t saved the Club you wouldn’t be on here constantly moaning. Possibly Don Amott might be the subject of your negativity instead. In my view Clowes has carte  blanche to do whatever he wishes for a few years yet. He will run the Club as he sees fit and employ who he wants to employ. The Club is gradually being transformed totally I guess, even if most of us aren’t aware of the steps being taken.

First and foremost Clowes is a Derby County fan - he is totally aware of our current internal situation (unlike us) and no doubt, just like us would like to see better performances than we have seen so far. The only difference is that he has stumped up millions to save our club - I know you have bought your season ticket and have you travelling costs. But there is a huge difference and I think he deserves our support, rather than questioning his early tenure. If he believes that Pearce is the right person to employ, knowing fully what has happened in the past, then who are we the question his decision.

Under Paul Warne our away results have improved, lest we not forget previous terrible runs. We do need to improve at home, but for many visiting teams a visit to Pride Park is their FA Cup Final and make things difficult for us.I am sure things will improve as some of our players return. We have had cruel luck with injuries so far and I just don’t buy the idea that these are caused by the current training regime (which of course to many is Paul Warner’s fault too).

For goodness sake, there are a few “fans” who need to bite their lips and not behave like spoilt children because they can’t immediately have all the toys for Christmas they wanted. If you can’t support our Club, in these early years of rebuild, go and “support” some other club or start your own Forum “ Negative Rams Members Only”. There are a few that would love to contribute.

So the message is 'get on board with the terrible football, lack of cohesion, and poor results or go support someone else'. Well I'm definitely sold.... I am not on here always moaning, but I do think we're moving in the wrong direction on the pitch. That bothers me as someone who does stump up regularly for match tickets. It also bothers me because the longer we're down here the harder it becomes to escape. 

Of course, Clowes doesn't and shouldn't have carte blanche. If he decided to become the manager himself I'm sure you'd question that and say he shouldn't do it. Where we set the limits of questioning is harder but given the 'just trust mel' years I'm much much more skeptical of that approach.  That's not denying Clowes' commitment, his generosity in saving the club, or his years of support but I do think Clowes has made some early errors (to be expected) and that just ignoring them or going along with it and saying it's all great because he saved us would be a mistake. That's not saying we need to have a go at him for such errors or be unfairly critical but the idea because he saved the club his decision making is beyond question is a dangerous precedent to set and a bad idea. 

[Leeds Ram]

4 hours ago, winktheram said:

3-3 then

I'd seperate out general cultural aims of the club from 'big decision calls' but i can see where you're coming from.