Curtains Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: No I didn't. I said that the current situation that is in the past was part of Derby County's long history. I think you asked me a direct question which I refused to answer RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 28 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said: The stretch to end all stretches that one. Suggesting that if reading something online is making you unhappy, angry or anything else, that there are multiple ways of avoiding it, like not opening certain threads or taking a break - very much optional and easy choices to make vs Suggesting that someone drops a lifelong commitment to supporting their football team and stops doing that to go and watch a different club, one they have no emotional connection with, just because they have issues with the current brand of football being played and concerns over the long term prospects of the club they love and have made a massive financial commitment to supporting. Rather a long distance from being the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 2 hours ago, ramit said: If the performance in the Carlisle game was terrible, yet we won 0-2 does that not imply that we should have won it by more, errrrr no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, Curtains said: That’s why I couldn’t say I was grateful to Maxwell when asked . I am grateful to Clowes That's hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 1 minute ago, AndyinLiverpool said: That's hindsight. Isn’t not appointing Rosenior now hindsight ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 2 hours ago, ramit said: I am not familiar enough with the playing style of Plymouth, Bournemouth, Brentford and Swansea in their promotion years, but we have tried it four times, with Cocu, Lampard, Rooney and Rosenior and failed to reach promotion each time. Shall we go for five? You can't include Rosenior in that list as he was only given 12 games. Lampard got us to a play off final, and but for 'that' Roos mistake who knows, so you can't include him either. Rooney couldn't possibly have got us promoted due to the point deduction and financial situation, so you can't include him Which just leaves Cocu as the only real 'failure' Kathcairns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 41 minutes ago, Curtains said: Isn’t not appointing Rosenior now hindsight ! Not really. Rosenior was already doing the job - with the squad he assembled - then got the rug pulled. Curtains 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 43 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: You can't include Rosenior in that list as he was only given 12 games. Lampard got us to a play off final, and but for 'that' Roos mistake who knows, so you can't include him either. Rooney couldn't possibly have got us promoted due to the point deduction and financial situation, so you can't include him Which just leaves Cocu as the only real 'failure' Lampard got us to a playoff final with a team which included 3 full internationals, one of which apparently has just turned down a move to PSG another of which has just moved to Man Utd for nearly £60 million. So absolutely yes he should be included in a list of managers whom failed to get us promoted. angieram, Archied and lrm14 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 9 hours ago, duncanjwitham said: You’re really including Rosenior in a list of managers who failed to win promotion? In his 10 games in charge? Even Rooney is debatable given we were effectively coasting into admin at that point and the squad was falling apart. Anyway, by that logic, we’ve failed to win promotion 3 times playing direct football, under Rowett, Pearson and Warne, shall we make it 4? Finally someone rubbed my nose in that bit of willful disinformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 9 hours ago, Chris_Martin said: You can't include Rosenior in that list as he was only given 12 games. Lampard got us to a play off final, and but for 'that' Roos mistake who knows, so you can't include him either. Rooney couldn't possibly have got us promoted due to the point deduction and financial situation, so you can't include him Which just leaves Cocu as the only real 'failure' Rosenior? Sorry, only 1 prize per error. Of course I can include Lampard, he failed like Would've Should've and Could've Rooney? Well, I will give you that I guess, but he still failed, the football was horrendous. Chris_Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Tyler Durden said: Lampard got us to a playoff final with a team which included 3 full internationals, one of which apparently has just turned down a move to PSG another of which has just moved to Man Utd for nearly £60 million. So absolutely yes he should be included in a list of managers whom failed to get us promoted. but at the time none of those players were internationals or at the levels they're at now. so absolutely lampard can't be included in that list Tyler Durden, Rammy03 and Kathcairns 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 2 hours ago, ramit said: Rosenior? Sorry, only 1 prize per error. Of course I can include Lampard, he failed like Would've Should've and Could've Rooney? Well, I will give you that I guess, but he still failed, the football was horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 12 hours ago, Chris_Martin said: but at the time none of those players were internationals or at the levels they're at now. so absolutely lampard can't be included in that list Does that mean by your same logic that we can't include McClaren in that list of managers because of the howler Keogh dropped? Amusing how your goalposts move arbitrarily according to the narrative you wish to progress. Archied 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8Leeds Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 There’s been no off field dramas since he been here. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 23 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Does that mean by your same logic that we can't include McClaren in that list of managers because of the howler Keogh dropped? Amusing how your goalposts move arbitrarily according to the narrative you wish to progress. Yes absolutely. How can you class McClaren as a failure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Chris_Martin said: Yes absolutely. How can you class McClaren as a failure By the same metric you're using of course 😅 Failure to get promotion...... Archied 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 15 hours ago, Tyler Durden said: Lampard got us to a playoff final with a team which included 3 full internationals, one of which apparently has just turned down a move to PSG another of which has just moved to Man Utd for nearly £60 million. So absolutely yes he should be included in a list of managers whom failed to get us promoted. Using your logic, you also need to include Villa's future internationals too: Abraham, Grealish and Mings. From that squad the following have represented their country: England - Abraham, Grealish, Mings Scotland - McGinn, Hutton Ireland - Hourihane, Whelan, Hogan Wales - Taylor, Chester Norway - Nyland Iceland - Bjarnason Croatia - Kalinic Belgium - De Laet Egypt - El Mohamady, El Ghazi Ghana - Adomah Ivory Coast - Kodja Congo - Bolasie Australia - Jedinak From our squad only King, Ledley, Cole, Lawrence, Mount, Wilson and Keogh have so far represented their country at least 5 times. duncanjwitham, lrm14 and Chris_Martin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 20 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: By the same metric you're using of course 😅 Failure to get promotion...... because thats what the original post was referring too😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 17 hours ago, Chris_Martin said: Lampard got us to a play off final, and but for 'that' Roos mistake who knows, so you can't include him either. I can't tell if you're teasing with this one... the manager who picked the player who dropped the clanger in the play-off final is not responsible for his mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 41 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Using your logic, you also need to include Villa's future internationals too: Abraham, Grealish and Mings. From that squad the following have represented their country: England - Abraham, Grealish, Mings Scotland - McGinn, Hutton Ireland - Hourihane, Whelan, Hogan Wales - Taylor, Chester Norway - Nyland Iceland - Bjarnason Croatia - Kalinic Belgium - De Laet Egypt - El Mohamady, El Ghazi Ghana - Adomah Ivory Coast - Kodja Congo - Bolasie Australia - Jedinak From our squad only King, Ledley, Cole, Lawrence, Mount, Wilson and Keogh have so far represented their country at least 5 times. This convo is going way off piste now. The OP said that he excluded Lampard from a group of managers whom failed to get us promoted due to, in their opinion, some external event occuring i.e. Roos dropping a clanger. Let's get this back on track. Archied 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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