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Can anyone actually name a single improvement Warne has done since arriving?


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28 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said:

The stretch to end all stretches that one. 

Suggesting that if reading something online is making you unhappy, angry or anything else,  that there are multiple ways of avoiding it, like not opening certain threads or taking a break - very much optional and easy choices to make

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Suggesting that someone drops a lifelong commitment to supporting their football team and stops doing that to go and watch a different club, one they have no emotional connection with, just because they have issues with the current brand of football being played and concerns over the long term prospects of the club they love and have made a massive financial commitment to supporting.

Rather a long distance from being the same thing.

 

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2 hours ago, ramit said:

I am not familiar enough with the playing style of Plymouth, Bournemouth, Brentford and Swansea in their promotion years, but we have tried it four times, with Cocu, Lampard, Rooney and Rosenior and failed to reach promotion each time.  Shall we go for five?

You can't include Rosenior in that list as he was only given 12 games.

Lampard got us to a play off final, and but for 'that' Roos mistake who knows, so you can't include him either.

Rooney couldn't possibly have got us promoted due to the point deduction and financial situation, so you can't include him

Which just leaves Cocu as the only real 'failure'

 

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43 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

You can't include Rosenior in that list as he was only given 12 games.

Lampard got us to a play off final, and but for 'that' Roos mistake who knows, so you can't include him either.

Rooney couldn't possibly have got us promoted due to the point deduction and financial situation, so you can't include him

Which just leaves Cocu as the only real 'failure'

 

Lampard got us to a playoff final with a team which included 3 full internationals, one of which apparently has just turned down a move to PSG another of which has just moved to Man Utd for nearly £60 million.

So absolutely yes he should be included in a list of managers whom failed to get us promoted. 

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9 hours ago, duncanjwitham said:

You’re really including Rosenior in a list of managers who failed to win promotion? In his 10 games in charge?  Even Rooney is debatable given we were effectively coasting into admin at that point and the squad was falling apart.

Anyway, by that logic, we’ve failed to win promotion 3 times playing direct football, under Rowett, Pearson and Warne, shall we make it 4?

Finally someone rubbed my nose in that bit of willful disinformation.

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9 hours ago, Chris_Martin said:

You can't include Rosenior in that list as he was only given 12 games.

Lampard got us to a play off final, and but for 'that' Roos mistake who knows, so you can't include him either.

Rooney couldn't possibly have got us promoted due to the point deduction and financial situation, so you can't include him

Which just leaves Cocu as the only real 'failure'

 

Rosenior? Sorry, only 1 prize per error.

Of course I can include Lampard, he failed like Would've Should've and Could've

Rooney?  Well, I will give you that I guess, but he still failed, the football was horrendous.

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3 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

Lampard got us to a playoff final with a team which included 3 full internationals, one of which apparently has just turned down a move to PSG another of which has just moved to Man Utd for nearly £60 million.

So absolutely yes he should be included in a list of managers whom failed to get us promoted. 

but at the time none of those players were internationals or at the levels they're at now.

so absolutely lampard can't be included in that list

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12 hours ago, Chris_Martin said:

but at the time none of those players were internationals or at the levels they're at now.

so absolutely lampard can't be included in that list

Does that mean by your same logic that we can't include McClaren in that list of managers because of the howler Keogh dropped?

Amusing how your goalposts move arbitrarily according to the narrative you wish to progress. 

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23 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

Does that mean by your same logic that we can't include McClaren in that list of managers because of the howler Keogh dropped?

Amusing how your goalposts move arbitrarily according to the narrative you wish to progress. 

Yes absolutely. How can you class McClaren as a failure

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15 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

Lampard got us to a playoff final with a team which included 3 full internationals, one of which apparently has just turned down a move to PSG another of which has just moved to Man Utd for nearly £60 million.

So absolutely yes he should be included in a list of managers whom failed to get us promoted. 

Using your logic, you also need to include Villa's future internationals too: Abraham, Grealish and Mings.

From that squad the following have represented their country:
England - Abraham, Grealish, Mings
Scotland - McGinn, Hutton
Ireland - Hourihane, Whelan, Hogan
Wales - Taylor, Chester
Norway - Nyland
Iceland - Bjarnason
Croatia - Kalinic
Belgium - De Laet
Egypt - El Mohamady, El Ghazi
Ghana - Adomah
Ivory Coast - Kodja
Congo - Bolasie
Australia - Jedinak

From our squad only King, Ledley, Cole, Lawrence, Mount, Wilson and Keogh have so far represented their country at least 5 times.

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17 hours ago, Chris_Martin said:

Lampard got us to a play off final, and but for 'that' Roos mistake who knows, so you can't include him either.

I can't tell if you're teasing with this one... the manager who picked the player who dropped the clanger in the play-off final is not responsible for his mistake?

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41 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Using your logic, you also need to include Villa's future internationals too: Abraham, Grealish and Mings.

From that squad the following have represented their country:
England - Abraham, Grealish, Mings
Scotland - McGinn, Hutton
Ireland - Hourihane, Whelan, Hogan
Wales - Taylor, Chester
Norway - Nyland
Iceland - Bjarnason
Croatia - Kalinic
Belgium - De Laet
Egypt - El Mohamady, El Ghazi
Ghana - Adomah
Ivory Coast - Kodja
Congo - Bolasie
Australia - Jedinak

From our squad only King, Ledley, Cole, Lawrence, Mount, Wilson and Keogh have so far represented their country at least 5 times.

This convo is going way off piste now.

The OP said that he excluded Lampard from a group of managers whom failed to get us promoted due to, in their opinion, some external event occuring i.e. Roos dropping a clanger. 

Let's get this back on track. 

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