Can anyone actually name a single improvement Warne has done since arriving?

[8Leeds]

34 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Using your logic, you also need to include Villa's future internationals too: Abraham, Grealish and Mings.

From that squad the following have represented their country:
England - Abraham, Grealish, Mings
Scotland - McGinn, Hutton
Ireland - Hourihane, Whelan, Hogan
Wales - Taylor, Chester
Norway - Nyland
Iceland - Bjarnason
Croatia - Kalinic
Belgium - De Laet
Egypt - El Mohamady, El Ghazi
Ghana - Adomah
Ivory Coast - Kodja
Congo - Bolasie
Australia - Jedinak

From our squad only King, Ledley, Cole, Lawrence, Mount, Wilson and Keogh have so far represented their country at least 5 times.

[vonwright]

1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Using your logic, you also need to include Villa's future internationals too: Abraham, Grealish and Mings.

From that squad the following have represented their country:
England - Abraham, Grealish, Mings
Scotland - McGinn, Hutton
Ireland - Hourihane, Whelan, Hogan
Wales - Taylor, Chester
Norway - Nyland
Iceland - Bjarnason
Croatia - Kalinic
Belgium - De Laet
Egypt - El Mohamady, El Ghazi
Ghana - Adomah
Ivory Coast - Kodja
Congo - Bolasie
Australia - Jedinak

From our squad only King, Ledley, Cole, Lawrence, Mount, Wilson and Keogh have so far represented their country at least 5 times.

Villa's squad was ridiculous by the end of the season. Incredible they only finished fifth (and from possibly-faulty memory there were times when they looked like they might miss the play-offs).

[Mucker1884]

On 28/09/2023 at 17:07, SaffyRam said:

I seem to recall David Clowes saying there was a 5-year plan to get us back to the Championship.

"To become established in the championship", I believe the phrase went?  🤷‍♂️

[jimtastic56]

21 hours ago, Chris_Martin said:

You can't include Rosenior in that list as he was only given 12 games.

Lampard got us to a play off final, and but for 'that' Roos mistake who knows, so you can't include him either.

Rooney couldn't possibly have got us promoted due to the point deduction and financial situation, so you can't include him

Which just leaves Cocu as the only real 'failure'

 

Didn’t Cocu have us on the cusp of the play-offs when we went to Cardiff and Wayne Rooney gave the ball to Tomlin and watched him score ? As for Warne , I wouldn’t blame him for the little tug by Curtis at Shef Wed that cost us the play offs.

[Chris_Martin]

5 hours ago, jameso said:

I can't tell if you're teasing with this one... the manager who picked the player who dropped the clanger in the play-off final is not responsible for his mistake?

he did also help get us there in the first place

[Archied]

40 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

he did also help get us there in the first place

Lampard failed to get us promoted with expensive top quality loans and a fair whack of permanent transfer wedge  Steve Mac failed to get us promoted with the best team we have had in a long time and way better than qpr play off final team , perhaps like villa play off team 🤷🏻‍♂️
if warne gets us to play off final and we lose he will have failed to get us promoted , not sure if your logic is bizzare or non existent 

Edited September 29, 2023 by Archied

[Guest]

34 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

he did also help get us there in the first place

Accepted, but fixing criteria for what constitutes the manager’s success/failure will be made almost impossible if a mistake by one of his selections in a pivotal match works like a Joker card and means he didn’t fail if the objective was to get promoted.
If the Villa goalie had dropped 2 clangers in the same match and we’d won 3-2, would Lampard not have succeeded?

[europia]

On 27/09/2023 at 23:39, Jimbo Ram said:

Bit like under Wazza in his first season, not great to be in the job because your employer can’t afford to give you your P45.

Agreed, it's not an ideal situation. 

[Chris_Martin]

5 hours ago, Archied said:

Lampard failed to get us promoted with expensive top quality loans and a fair whack of permanent transfer wedge  Steve Mac failed to get us promoted with the best team we have had in a long time and way better than qpr play off final team , perhaps like villa play off team 🤷🏻‍♂️
if warne gets us to play off final and we lose he will have failed to get us promoted , not sure if your logic is bizzare or non existent 

Lampard and even more so with Mac developed a way of playing that was succesful despite the painful play off loses. If warne loses a play off final he has absolutely nothing to fall back on

[sunnyhill60]

1 hour ago, Chris_Martin said:

Lampard and even more so with Mac developed a way of playing that was succesful despite the painful play off loses. If warne loses a play off final he has absolutely nothing to fall back on

He will have done so with massive budgetary and EFL restrictions on signings which neither Mac or Lampard had to work with

[Archied]

6 hours ago, Chris_Martin said:

Lampard and even more so with Mac developed a way of playing that was succesful despite the painful play off loses. If warne loses a play off final he has absolutely nothing to fall back on

He will have failed to get us promoted just like lampard and Steve Mac after a long season with some good stuff , some dross , some good decisions some stinkers we the fans totally disagree with , some luck , some bad luck , some good refs some poor refs , let’s not forget Mac dropping Bryson and ten men , let’s not forget lampard hand being forced by injury away at Leeds then reverting to type with Wembley team sheet ,

you want derby to play a certain way and want warne out because of that ,, that’s ok it’s your opinion , the rest of your arguments and points are just ludicrous 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Ghost of Clough]

5 hours ago, sunnyhill60 said:

He will have done so with massive budgetary and EFL restrictions on signings which neither Mac or Lampard had to work with

He would fail, playing bad football (based on the games so far this season), whilst having one of the biggest playing budgets in the league (if not the biggest).

Mac had the 13th highest wage bill in 13/14 (9th highest revenue) and made a profit on transfers that season. Wages in that season (£13.5m) won't be much higher than the budget Warne has this season in League 1!!!

In 14/15, the wage bill still remained at most levels, and we weren't anywhere near the top clubs for transfer spend, despite buying Thorne and not receiving any significant fees from departures.

Remarkably, Lampard's wage bill would have been 7th-10th (a lot of clubs close to our estimated figure) and around 9th for revenue

[FlyBritishMidland]

If I’m understanding this right, Mac and Lampard didn’t fail due to mistakes by players in the play-off final.  But if the same happens under Warne at the end of this season he will have failed.  That it?

[Blondest Goat]

5 minutes ago, FlyBritishMidland said:

If I’m understanding this right, Mac and Lampard didn’t fail due to mistakes by players in the play-off final.  But if the same happens under Warne at the end of this season he will have failed.  That it?

They all will have failed if the goal is promition

Edited September 30, 2023 by Blondest Goat

[FlyBritishMidland]

20 minutes ago, Blondest Goat said:

They all will have failed if the goal is promition

That’s my point.  Reading the last few pages though, we can make excuses for some managers (e.g. player mistakes) but not Warne.

Edited September 30, 2023 by FlyBritishMidland

[RoyMac5]

6 hours ago, sunnyhill60 said:

He will have done so with massive budgetary and EFL restrictions on signings which neither Mac or Lampard had to work with

Not so, this idea that Warne has 'massive budgetary and EFL restrictions on signings' has been squashed from the owner more than once. 

22 minutes ago, FlyBritishMidland said:

That’s my point.  Reading the last few pages though, we can make excuses for some managers (e.g. player mistakes) but not Warne.

What excuses can you give to the messy football we play when we don't win? Who slots in where when a player is injured, you knew that with Mac and other managers. Warne has nothing going for him but the ability to get promoted from League 1. Now we see why no other bigger team came in and head-hunted him before now!

Edited September 30, 2023 by RoyMac5

[Archied]

22 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Not so, this idea that Warne has 'massive budgetary and EFL restrictions on signings' has been squashed from the owner more than once. 

What excuses can you give to the messy football we play when we don't win? Who slots in where when a player is injured, you knew that with Mac and other managers. Warne has nothing going for him but the ability to get promoted from League 1. Now we see why no other bigger team came in and head-hunted him before now!

Not a bad ability to have when you’ve been employed by a club desperate to get promoted from league 1 😂

[Comrade 86]

43 minutes ago, FlyBritishMidland said:

That’s my point.  Reading the last few pages though, we can make excuses for some managers (e.g. player mistakes) but not Warne.

That seems to be the sum of it 😂

[RoyMac5]

7 minutes ago, Archied said:

Not a bad ability to have when you’ve been employed by a club desperate to get promoted from league 1 😂

And yet he in his own words, failed last season. 😄 So what else has he got? 

Edited September 30, 2023 by RoyMac5

[Archied]

5 minutes ago, Comrade 86 said:

That seems to be the sum of it 😂

Lee Harvey Oswald ??? Nah , I’ve seen reports of a bobble hat being spotted in a widow of the book depository that day 🤔😂