Magicman Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Not sure from what he has played still, tends to slip over too easily although strikes the ball cooly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 26 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Worth the gamble if he was free and wages were swayed on appearances In principle yes, but what if that’s instead of another striker signing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 12 hours ago, Millenniumram said: Think that was the plan when we originally signed him (hence only a 6 month loan) - but that won’t happen now. My post was based off some information I was told by someone ITK - that the reason he isn’t starting is because our medical team doesn’t believe he is capable, and aren’t sure when he will be again. Sounds like we think his injury has been mismanaged at previous clubs which is why he’s had his issues here. It’s not impossible we will give him more of a chance to prove his fitness and extend his loan until the end of the season, if the medical team have enough confidence in him, but I think it’s unlikely. Only a gut feeling though. Is that someone ITK Paul Warne? He’s essentially said as much over multiple interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 hours ago, Srg said: Is that someone ITK Paul Warne? He’s essentially said as much over multiple interviews. He said about him not being capable of starting a match, but I don’t recall him mentioning his fitness as having been mismanaged by his previous clubs, unless I’ve missed something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood P Dowd Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 If there are any real doubts about Tyreece John-Jules long term fitness we shouldnt sign him unless on a "pay as you play" contract. He does have the signs of being a very good striker\finisher but thats of little comfort if he cannot play. 😒 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 26 minutes ago, Elwood P Dowd said: If there are any real doubts about Tyreece John-Jules long term fitness we shouldnt sign him unless on a "pay as you play" contract. He does have the signs of being a very good striker\finisher but thats of little comfort if he cannot play. 😒 I can't see any young footballer signing his first contract away from his big parent club on a pay as you play contract. He's just starting out. There will be many games where he doesn't play (although I assume that a pay as you play contract would in reality be a pay as you are available to play contract), he may not even make a few squads. I'm sure that someone would be willing to take a risk on a free transfer. We did it with Bobby Duncan. He came with a good football reputation, but no real experience. John-Jules we have seen play. We know what he is capable of. Treat him correctly and he could be a fantastic signing. I personally, if the money is available, would take the risk. therealhantsram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood P Dowd Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, richinspain said: I can't see any young footballer signing his first contract away from his big parent club on a pay as you play contract. He's just starting out. There will be many games where he doesn't play (although I assume that a pay as you play contract would in reality be a pay as you are available to play contract), he may not even make a few squads. I'm sure that someone would be willing to take a risk on a free transfer. We did it with Bobby Duncan. He came with a good football reputation, but no real experience. John-Jules we have seen play. We know what he is capable of. Treat him correctly and he could be a fantastic signing. I personally, if the money is available, would take the risk. If he would accept a wage that takes into consideration his injury record then he is perhaps worth small flutter. I don’t think we are in a financial position to take a big gamble on a player, on a decent wage, who has a long injury record. If we do want to sign him I think any decision to sign him should take into consideration his medical history. Edited January 1 by Elwood P Dowd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I obviously don’t know the in and outs of his fitness but signing him on a free with a one year contract and a further one year option to prove fitness it may be a decent deal. Eoghan1884 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Hennessy Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Well surely his loan expired yesterday...but he's on the bench again today... so is he staying for the rest of the season??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerphilly Ram Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 12 minutes ago, Terry Hennessy said: Well surely his loan expired yesterday...but he's on the bench again today... so is he staying for the rest of the season??? Dom Dietrich from Radio Derby tweeted yesterday that John-Jules is going to be around for a couple more weeks, it was shared earlier in this thread. No further decision about his future has been communicated by the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 hours ago, Caerphilly Ram said: Dom Dietrich from Radio Derby tweeted yesterday that John-Jules is going to be around for a couple more weeks, it was shared earlier in this thread. No further decision about his future has been communicated by the club I'd suggest by bringing him on so early that his future here has already been decided. Slowly bringing him upto the fitness required for professional football, I'd assume a 18 month deal on a free, with a sell on clause included has already been agreed. Steve How Hard?, therealhantsram, Comrade 86 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 4 minutes ago, Rev said: I'd suggest by bringing him on so early that his future here has already been decided. Slowly bringing him upto the fitness required for professional football, I'd assume a 18 month deal on a free, with a sell on clause included has already been agreed. Hope you're right. He's definitely got a touch of class about him that could make a big difference at this level. He was unlucky not to score today and on a side note the ref gave him no protection at all today when he was being roughed up by their back four. Premier ram, Comrade 86 and angieram 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 22 hours ago, Jase116 said: Free with a sell on I'd take him, loads of ability, just need wages to reflect his injury record definitely would be useful imho Wages should have a steady base but be heavily incentivised by appearance fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 3 hours ago, Caerphilly Ram said: Dom Dietrich from Radio Derby tweeted yesterday that John-Jules is going to be around for a couple more weeks, it was shared earlier in this thread. No further decision about his future has been communicated by the club Warne stated in his post-match interview that they want to keep him but it's down to others at the club to negotiate with Arsenal.... Edited January 1 by Gaspode Caerphilly Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 7 minutes ago, Gaspode said: Warne stated in his post-match interview that they want to keep him but it's down to others at the club to negotiate with Arsenal.... Do we owe money for that big pole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Don’t feel like this guy puts any effort in when we don’t have the ball. I won’t be upset if he goes back. Papahet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 be surprised if he doesn’t stay. Caerphilly Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Srg said: be surprised if he doesn’t stay. Depends how much money they can get out of anyone else - have we paid them the Belick money yet ? - probably not at a guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 5 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Depends how much money they can get out of anyone else - have we paid them the Belick money yet ? - probably not at a guess It was all structured with installments and we are fully paid up on any installments we owed, we cleared out outstanding balances from admin when Clowes took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 As for TJJ, my concern is that if he needs to be so carefully managed we have no reliable backup plan if Collins gets injured. Even if we keep TJJ we still need a reliable option to add some depth in that position with Waghorn and Washington out on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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