cstand Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: It's because he's clearly gay in a very homophobic society. You mean BoJo? Edited February 26, 2022 by cstand ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Russia will overwhelm Ukraine eventually, probably annexe donbass eventually and then withdraw after putting some pro Russian puppet government in kyiv, probably with the long term goal of incorporating them into the union with Belarus. I don't believe Putin really feels threatened by NATO as a threat to the Russian Federation. He is upset that NATO and the EU have increased their influence to the east, including many areas Russia would consider as part of 'Greater Russia,' parts that had decades/centuries of Russian influence under the ussr and Russian Empire. He doesn't view Ukraine as a real country and believes in Russia's right to dictate to the other former soviet republics how to conduct their affairs. As far as I'm concerned this war is for territorial expansion and a partial restoration of the Russian empire. Norman and Crewton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 I can't imagine what happens once the ceasefire is called. Certainly can't see Donetsk and Luhansk being part of Ukraine. Will NATO recognise their independence? Surely that will be the first of the demands from Putin. But what happens in Europe, in Ukraine and especially in Russia I wouldn't even like to guess. What happens to Zelensky? Allegedly worked against Biden, accused of censorship, losing popularity in Ukraine, called a Nazi by Putin. Sounds to me like he'll get a nice London crib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 How do people feel about the call to Arms to Ukranian civilians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Alpha said: I can't imagine what happens once the ceasefire is called. Certainly can't see Donetsk and Luhansk being part of Ukraine. Will NATO recognise their independence? Surely that will be the first of the demands from Putin. But what happens in Europe, in Ukraine and especially in Russia I wouldn't even like to guess. What happens to Zelensky? Allegedly worked against Biden, accused of censorship, losing popularity in Ukraine, called a Nazi by Putin. Sounds to me like he'll get a nice London crib I assume you meant the UN. As Ukraine aren’t part of NATO I don’t think it’s up to NATO to recognise their independence or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 43 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: I assume you meant the UN. As Ukraine aren’t part of NATO I don’t think it’s up to NATO to recognise their independence or not. Yeah, And surely they will? With Vlads army sat in Kiev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Also, nothing a out the situation is funny obviously But when Russian tanks run out fuel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Miggins and Tamworthram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) https://chng.it/CxNctDLmDS Edited February 26, 2022 by TexasRam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 "If anyone of us was facing hostile forces known to practice torture" Unnecessary. You could say that about USA, UK, Germany, France, Ukraine... I think its really really easy to feel sorry for Ukranians without trying to make it good vs evil, no? How many of those Russian forces would rather be at home? Tyler Durden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 7 hours ago, AndyinLiverpool said: It's because he's clearly gay in a very homophobic society. It's like he wants to beat it out of himself through legislation, so creates the homophobic environment as a form of self control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Allegedly Zelenski said to Boris on a call, you know your Shakespeare, "To Swift or not to Swift, that is he question" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 On 26/02/2022 at 01:09, 1of4 said: Whats conspiratorial about it? The tories have admitted that they have accepted money from former ministers of Putin's regime. trades union funding 40 years ago ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 17 hours ago, Alpha said: How do people feel about the call to Arms to Ukranian civilians? I was trying to gauge that with my 19 YO niece. Saying can you imagine receiving a message from your government “if you want a gun, come and get one” It really is a huge pause for thought when moments ago you could be wonder how well Dynamo Kiev for getting on in the group stages of the CL. … All while sitting in the queue at Sainsburies Kingsway. It’s surreal and chilling at the same time. Alph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 19 minutes ago, jono said: trades union funding 40 years ago ? Yes that dreadful invasion of a foreign country by the army of the TUC. Forgot about the AEU tank corps, the divisions of NUT missle carriers, supported by the NUM rifle regiment, that swept across that country killing innocent civilians. Glad you reminded me of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 26 minutes ago, jono said: I was trying to gauge that with my 19 YO niece. Saying can you imagine receiving a message from your government “if you want a gun, come and get one” It really is a huge pause for thought when moments ago you could be wonder how well Dynamo Kiev for getting on in the group stages of the CL. … All while sitting in the queue at Sainsburies Kingsway. It’s surreal and chilling at the same time. And now the call for anybody to join their forces. From any country. I don't know whether it's one of those inspiring moments in history where civilians of the world fought for for freedom Or if it's a war we don't truly see from all angles and it's totally irresponsible to ask civilians to make molotov cocktails and come to Ukraine to collect your AK47. I did some reading on this Azov Battalion in Ukraine. Wow. jono and ramit 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, 1of4 said: Yes that dreadful invasion of a foreign country by the army of the TUC. Forgot about the AEU tank corps, the divisions of NUT missle carriers, supported by the NUM rifle regiment, that swept across that country killing innocent civilians. Glad you reminded me of that. I’m sorry I thought you were discussing power groups receiving funding from Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 1of4 said: Yes that dreadful invasion of a foreign country by the army of the TUC. Forgot about the AEU tank corps, the divisions of NUT missle carriers, supported by the NUM rifle regiment, that swept across that country killing innocent civilians. Glad you reminded me of that. Trying to blame the Tories for Russia invading the Ukraine is bizarre. Edited February 27, 2022 by cstand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Ram Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Where's the EU in all this, the response from them is all self interest. Germany - gas, Italy- fashion etc, EU do nothing on the world stage, it's just a vip club. Alph, Turnstile, Carl Sagan and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Don't get the thread closed, gents! I think its best just to keep it to the specific Ukraine war. Even though there's definite room for debate on western hypocrites and politics I don't think there's room for it on this forum. I don't know where on the Internet is a safe place to discuss the war. Twitter is so full of morons trying to collect "likes" and trolls trying to be cool. That this forum is at least the chance to discuss this huge world changing event. mozza, ariotofmyown, jono and 4 others 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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