WestKentRam Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: Yes. Reflecting that the LAP judgement didn’t say: amortisation must be straight line. Instead it said: Derby’s method does not comply with FRS 102 Indeed, and the LAP said: 'Similarly, the Club knew that the Annual Accounts contained a description of the amortisation policy which we found to be non-compliant with FRS 102, but once again there is no basis on which to conclude that the Club knew (in the sense of ‘consciously appreciated’) that that description was non-compliant' This compares with Leicester's huge £3.1m settlement for breaking FFP in that fateful 2013/14 season when they got promoted, where the EFL stated: 'the EFL acknowledges that the club did not make any deliberate attempt to infringe the rules or to deceive and that the dispute arose out of genuine differences of interpretation of the rules between the parties.' I'm sure we all agree Leicester and Derby have both been punished to similar extents for differences in interpretation of the rules. cosmic, kevinhectoring and Crewton 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 I do not trust the EFL. They will try and give an advantage to our rivals and not to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaffyRam Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 49 minutes ago, David said: So let me get this right, 2 clubs were punished for breaching P&S rules, one of which was due to be asked to resubmit previously signed off accounts. Now Bristol City, Boro and a number of other clubs look set to breach, they increase the COVID losses an extra £2.5m to help those that were heading for points deductions. Showing exactly why an independent regulator is needed for the game. Even if an extra £2.5m allowance wouldn't have prevented us from breaching, how is it fair to go moving the goalposts midway through the season? Duck off with your no vendettas, I hope whoever buys this club takes the EFL to court and absolutely destroys them, QC would have a field day against this lot. Even if it hadn’t stopped us breaching, wouldn’t it have lessened the points deduction because that’s based on how much you go over the limit? I’m raging ? r_wilcockson, Indy and Miggins 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967RAMS Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Gritstone Ram said: How about the 12 points for going into administration? Wasn’t Covid the main factor for that? No Mel Morris’s incompetence at running a football club and thinking he was too clever for the EFL were the main Factor. The damage was done way before anyone even considered eating a bat well past its sell by date RadioactiveWaste, r_wilcockson and David Graham Brown 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, chezzyram said: If the EFL took a unilateral decision to reinstate points then I suppose technically Reading haven't appealed. I have absolutely no idea of the legalities involved but I wouldn't put anything past them. I don't think the EFL are even that god damn stupid?♂️. Secret phone call to Reading FC Hello...is this Reading FC Yes...who's calling please Never mind my name, Have you seen the papers today No...should I Yes...go to any sports section and look at the Championship table Why? Just do it Olivia...have you got a newspaper Yes Geraldine I have Can I borrow it for a minute Sure, Do you want me to bring it to you or are you going to come and get it I'll come and get it Hello, Hello is there anyone there Yes i'm still here Well did you see the paper then No not yet i'm going to fetch it from Olivia Thanks Olivia I've got it Open to the sports page Right i'm on the sports page Look at the Championship table Yes I have it, What am I looking for Look and see how many points you have It says 23 points It should say 29 points Hang on a second Olivia Yes This is yesterdays paper I know. David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestKentRam Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 To make it clear to anyone who thinks the EFL do not have a vendetta against us, exactly as Mel Morris stated, they wanted the points deduction that we have had this season, imposed last season, after the season had already finished, to ensure we were definitely relegated. This, again, is from the LAP document: In the event that we were minded to impose a deduction of points, the EFL urged us to impose that deduction in the 2020/21 season. The EFL was thus seeking (in effect) a retrospective points deduction; it was asking us to impose a points deduction for a season that had already been completed RadioactiveWaste, SaffyRam, Adslegend and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Just sent this to Rick Parry. I'm still yet to receive a reply to my previous email, just needed to vent my frustration. This isn't acceptable, you can't run football like this. DavesaRam, Rammeister, Carnero and 50 others 12 40 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, 1967RAMS said: No Mel Morris’s incompetence at running a football club and thinking he was too clever for the EFL were the main Factor. The damage was done way before a genetically modified Coronavirus was released from a Chinese government laboratory in Wuhan. FTFY. Mucker1884, RadioactiveWaste, 1967RAMS and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 On 15/02/2022 at 18:05, Curtains said: What section of 95 applies then Zac !? “95.1.1 to submit those disputes described in Regulation 95.2 to final and binding arbitration ... 95.2.5 other disputes between ... each Club arising from these Regulations or otherwise (‘Other Disputes’), unless such disputes were dealt with by way of the following proceedings ... Sorry missed this post. The pruned version of reg 95 above answers the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanram Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) Putting feelings of the previous decisions the EFL has taken, does anybody genuinely think that the EFL would reinstate Reading’s points deduction? Edited February 17, 2022 by Orphanram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaffyRam Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Orphanram said: Putting feelings of the previous decisions the EFL has taken, does anybody genuinely think that the EFL would reinstate Reading’s points deduction? Yes, because it makes us more likely to be relegated. RadioactiveWaste, Orphanram, twelveincher and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twelveincher Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, David said: Just sent this to Rick Parry. I'm still yet to receive a reply to my previous email, just needed to vent my frustration. This isn't acceptable, you can't run football like this. Don’t give up mate, people who are able to identify and then articulate these issues are so so important at times like these. Good on you Indy, r_wilcockson, RadioactiveWaste and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, David said: Just sent this to Rick Parry. I'm still yet to receive a reply to my previous email, just needed to vent my frustration. This isn't acceptable, you can't run football like this. Nice one david could not put better my self Show this to our mps and see what they think about this. David Graham Brown and Miggins 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, Orphanram said: Putting feelings of the previous decisions the EFL has taken, does anybody genuinely think that the EFL would reinstate Reading’s points deduction? Only if it was very obvious it would relegate us. So about mid april i'm expecting it. they wouldn't want to do it too soon in case we overcame it. Orphanram and SaffyRam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Apart from the normal diatribes about the EFL which am not interested in are there any updates about the takeover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twelveincher Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Supporters group meeting with the EFL regarding the methods of leaving administration… let me guess, they’re already briefing us on why Quantuma’s proposed method will either incur a 15 point deduction or be rejected jono and RadioactiveWaste 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: Sorry missed this post. The pruned version of reg 95 above answers the question Still don’t understand that to be honest . How is clubs suing each other prior to EFL arbitration acceptable then by any means ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestKentRam Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, 1967RAMS said: No Mel Morris’s incompetence at running a football club and thinking he was too clever for the EFL were the main Factor. So we broke a rule, that wasn't yet a rule, in what was defined by the LAP as not to be a conscious attempt at deception, and have been severely punished for this. Some clubs in the Premier League employ people whose sole remit is to look at loopholes and to work up to the limit of P&S. Consider Dele Alli's transfer to Everton, where a way of him playing but no transfer fee being paid until it can actually be afforded next season has been used. The difference is Rick Parry has been trying to stamp his authority on the EFL since his appointment, and unfortunately we are the case that is being used as a warning to other clubs. In the PL those with the money tend to write the rules, whereas in the EFL other factors appear to be at play as there isn't a 'big six' and the huge TV money deal to keep everyone sweet. Jortat, RadioactiveWaste, David Graham Brown and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jortat Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Every time we have a bit of decent news we are slammed back by the EFL moving the goalposts to fit their agenda. They want us relegated, end of story and it would not surprise me at all if Reading got some of their points back directly from the EFL. The closer we get to getting out of administration and avoiding relegation, the more the EFL snakes squirm and think of new ways to have us over. These changes of rules mid season surely cannot be legal from a governing body. This needs to be brought up in parliament again to stop these crooks from running the league. COYR? Indy, SaffyRam, r_wilcockson and 4 others 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram1988 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 34 minutes ago, David said: Just sent this to Rick Parry. I'm still yet to receive a reply to my previous email, just needed to vent my frustration. This isn't acceptable, you can't run football like this. Thank you David!! David Graham Brown, Miggins and jono 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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