WestKentRam

Thank you - that's the one. It just demonstrates my perspective, or lack thereof, in many ways. I take it all back and retract my previous post as complete cobblers.

FWIW (not a lot), my abiding memory of yesterday is our players seemed too eager to score, and too often thrashed shots over rather than taking a bit more care trying to keep them low and on target in the anxiety of being in on goal. It felt like the pressure of ideally winning each game now got to them and how they played in general. It's not surprising that the emotions of where we are feeds onto them and affects their play. Watching back the highlights I didn't see the clip of a great chance that Collins had in the second half from a low cross when he was central near the six yard box. It looked like he chose to dummy it rather than shoot himself in a very good position, but alas there was no Derby player the other side of him so it went direct to a Wycombe defender. It seemed an odd decision as why dummy the ball unless you know you have a team mate the other side of you in a better position to score, so I assume my memory is playing tricks and he had no chance of a shot... I know we scored recently from a similar situation involving Wilson (can't for the life of me remember which game or who scored/dummied the ball!), but my latest gripe is the number of low percentage blind flicks and dummies like this in good attacking areas that don't come off, whereas from my highly educated position of never having played the game, it looks like a more measured pass to or in front of someone actually in the line of vision is the better option.

I've decided to go for the reverse psychology tactic. If I repeat the following in my head often enough then I might actually believe it... I'd rather we didn't go up automatically, thank you very much. The season finishes far too early for my liking, so two, or possibly three (although ideally not, as Wembley is a bit of a faff to get to) more games in May will be great. That way, if we go up automatically then I'll begrudgingly accept it as my lot as a Derby supporter. If it's to be the play-off lottery, well that's what I wanted all along so no need to mope around.

I have this dream that automatic promotion is secured with CBT playing a major role, and great looking striker but sadly forgotten man Tony Weston slotting home the decisive goal to cause Pride Park to erupt in the final game of the season.

Yep, it made me think of Dave Brailsford instituting things like Team Sky (booooo) taking the cyclists own mattresses with them so they didn't have a bad night's sleep on stage races due to a dodgy hotel bed. I/we as fans often concentrate on the actual football, but it seemed to me after frankly spending too much time pondering this, that a lot of non-footballing factors that we can control and adapt to are involved in whether a successful outcome occurs or not. The Groundhog Day experience of some games makes me wonder if we aren't being savvy enough related to these.

I agree, and thought this once again during the game on Saturday that it does my head in playing overly optimistic blind balls in the air down the wings to a wide man who has three or four defenders on him. They are 'passes' with a low % probability that they will come off. It often makes me think of John Beck at Cambridge in the 90s and somehow I am watching this instead of Derby.

Nope, but if they are mainly used to play in particular conditions, then it helps to have been exposed to what they will face in a game to be able to adapt to what is in front of them. I'm sure that they are used to different conditions in training, but they don't seem to be able to cope when the weather and pitch dictate that a different approach might need to be taken. Yes, I'm nit picking here that is my forte, but in L1 were going to face such environments repeatedly and need to do better.

Cheers, I agree that our home record, until recently, has not been great for a variety of possible reasons. Of course we can't win every match, especially away from home, but I've been pondering what happened after Saturday as it isn't an isolated occurrence. It feels like we need tactics to overcome the so called 'dark arts', as at present it we just seem to play the same way the next time the opposition play like that and the game is very much stop-start. Another thing that came to me was someone close by on Saturday commented that rain would be welcome as the pitch was dry as a bone. I can't recall seeing sprinklers so they must have deliberately not watered the pitch to stop us playing passing football, if we felt so inclined. Perfectly legitimate, but do we prepare for such eventualities? It was a windy day, the stadium was very blowy due to the open corners and low stands, something their players must be used to. A bit like Barnsley away when they made us play into the sun in the second half, making it very hard for our players to see the ball. They used home advantage to the fullest extent. Can we prepare for this to minimize it? It appears we can't just expect Derby to turn up, hopefully play the better football, then win more times than not. We have to overcome a possible dry pitch, players going down injured to waste time and break up play, not being given the advantage of quickly taken free kicks, the opposition working to rile the players then congratulating each other when you get sent off, a mascot time wasting and winding up the players, a scoreboard that stops showing how long is left in the match etc etc. These are things that I think we have to consciously work on psychologically and tactically overcoming, as otherwise we will repeatedly come unstuck in such games.

True, but in a way I have some sympathy with Bradley. He has shades of the soldier, in the type of films I watch too often, who has to repeatedly put himself in harms way in the service of his country and his unit. However he is pushed over the edge and goes rogue, as everyone has their limits.

I noticed exactly this. On one occasion the ref stopped our quick free kick to give their player a yellow card, on another the usual thing of the free kick not being taken in exactly the right place. All advantage to us was lost. It certainly pays to make the foul. Looking at the last few games, the opposition has fouled more than us, with the exception of the Port Vale match that was our most comfortable win: 10 v 8 Northampton, 12 v 9 Bolton, 17-11 Reading, 12 v 9 Bristol Rovers. The game that the successful dirty opposition tactics were clearest to me on the night, Reading away back in January, was quite a remarkable 14 v 2. Another aspect that I cynically consider is, it would be natural for the ref (usually part time in L1) to prefer a break in play, to give an opportunity for them catch their breath and have a nice little rest.

I agree we didn't play well but I wonder whether part of this is we don't cope when the opposition deploys anti-football tactics. You are right that breaking up momentum is key. It's another aspect we need to deal with, as if we need to practise plays as in American football, rather than rely on a building up a head of steam for a period of time as the opposition can deal with this by going down with an 'injury' and then the moment has passed. Another thing is I wonder who actually times stoppages to calculate added time. I assumed it was the 4th official, but online sources tend to indicate it is the referee who then tells the 4th official who puts the board up with it. I haven't noticed the ref or 4th official stop-starting a watch with every break in play, so can only think it is a guestimate. On Saturday with the subs and injuries it felt like between 82 and 90 minutes there was no actual football played. It wasn't clear how much added time was to be put on, and the scoreboard mysteriously seemed to stop showing the time of play towards the end of the match. Again, dark arts from Northampton or more conspiracy theory sour grapes from me?!

I'm not blaming the opposition for whatever tactics they use to win games, it's just we don't seem to be able to counter them or learn as the same thing is happening repeatedly. I fear if we end up stuck in this league it's going to be more Groundhog day of being beaten in such ways, and there must be a way forward to get results in these scenarios and not to fall for the same playbook each time.

During the game the mascot seemed to walk away from the pitch and I heard someone ask has he been sent off. Have seen no report of this but he should have been told to calm down even before the game, as using a mascot to wind up opposition fans probably isn't the most sensible way forward, but perhaps he was just warming up to get started on the players.

It’s taken me almost two seasons of us being in League One, and ruminating over the last couple of days on what happened in the Northampton game and others we have lost, to finally twig what being in L1 means. Before this I was baffled when people spoke of different types of football being played in different leagues, thinking it shouldn’t matter what style of football you play, whatever league you’re in, as the ‘better’ team will mostly win. Just play your own game and good will conquer evil, as such, but this doesn't seem to always be the case. In ‘The Numbers Game’ book by Anderson and Sally, a passage about Tony Pullis stuck with me, concerning his tactics as manager of Stoke. In the PL in 10/11 the ball was in play an average of 62.39 minutes. For Stoke, this figure was 58.52 minutes. For Man U, it was 66.58 minutes. So, Stoke had the ball in play for 8 fewer minutes per match than Man U. Pullis knew Stoke only really had possession when the opposition put the ball out of play, so he maximised this time and worked on set pieces. Long throws by one Rory Delap were an extension of this, with the time taken to retrieve the ball, gather it in his hands, dry it with a towel, then throw it long, the clock ticking down the whole time. Of course there are new laws of the game to try to limit such time wasting, with multiball use, the ban on towels, 30 secs off the pitch if a physio used for treatment, more added time used etc. However, what we have seen in L1 is an attempt to circumnavigate this, with players going down as if seriously injured, the ref stops play, the clock ticks away. As the laws have changed, the feigning of injury seems to be the new time wasting tactic. I recall that in the first 3 minutes of the second half on Saturday, they had players down requiring a stoppage 3 times, and this set the tone for the half. Then the mascot fiasco at Northampton. Using a mascot to delay giving the ball to our player, then to try and wind them up, just shows what their tactics were. They weren’t to play football, but to waste time and aggravate our players, that worked a treat and culminated with the sending off on Bradley. Job done. The mascot activity was reported by the media as being hilarious, but I do wonder if in a key game for us at home Rammie kept the ball from being retrieved by the opposition whether the referee and EFL would find it so funny. Should L1 really be such a pantomime? These things didn’t happen spontaneously or by accident, they were a concerted effort to stop us playing football and to use anti-football to win, and they worked. Not that I necessarily consider us to be the Man City of L1, but it feels like the cliché of when teams try to play football against MC they come unstuck, however deploying other tactics rather than playing MC at their own game can work. So… the point of all these ramblings… how can we beat teams who know they can’t beat us playing football, but can beat us by employing the ‘dark arts’? My suggestions are: 1) There should be a DCFC member of staff specifically tasked during a game with timing how long during a half has been lost to time wasting tactics such as players going down either requiring treatment or not, that seems to be the de facto new method of running the clock down as is employed in particular in the second half of games. This info should be relayed to PW, who, if we are chasing a game, could then put pressure on the 4th official to liaise with the referee so at least a semblance of this decent amount of time is added on before the board is put up. 2) The players need desensitising to being aggravated by opposition wind up and time wasting activities, and leave it to the management staff to deal with this as above. The more they argue with the referee, the more the clock ticks down and they aren’t playing football. Unless we learn how to deal with such tactics by the ‘lesser’ teams in L1, I feel we are always going to struggle against them as it causes our play to become disjointed and haphazard. It feels like the marginal gains scenario often quoted in sport, and is an aspect we don’t obviously seem to be addressing. Hopefully this isn’t news to PW and some consideration is being given how to handle these games that aren’t necessarily being won on pure footballing terms.

The thing that got me with the Bradley incident was as he was walking off having received the red card, a few of their players were high fiving each other as if to say great job getting him sent off. If felt shades of Ronaldo winking having got Rooney sent off in the 2006 World Cup, apart from of course the game yesterday was more important... Admittedly we didn't play well but I despised the total anti-football they played, apart from their great goal(!), especially in the second half with their players going down a ludicrous amount to break up the play with stoppages. The mascot annoyed me as well, getting involved with the players, and trying to wind up our fans right from pre kick off. The whole game was a shambles and it had the feel of Reading away as it was freezing and very windy, and we just didn't control the ball in the conditions or against such opposition.

Ouch! That hurt, but I managed it and stayed very still and just whimpered. May be one for a scientific study... I have in mind serious injuries I've witnessed watching football, mainly ACLs and the odd ankle fracture-dislocation as perhaps the most common. My mental picture is a player laying motionless with their arm across their face. Medical causes of pain like your v painful kidney stones, gallstones, heart attacks etc tend to have their own individual patterns of pain reaction. It may be just a pre-conceived bias I have, but there seems to be an inverse reaction law in football, in that the more the player writhes around on the floor the less serious their injury tends to be. My cynical head says they often do this to get the game stopped because opponents are in a good position or to break up play if they have been under a sustained period of pressure. Of course impossible for the referee, as if a player indicates they are seriously injured or have had a head injury then they have to get medical attention on ASAP. Hence why the 30 second rule was brought in to try and stop players doing this less as their team will be down by one player before they can return to the field of play, albeit for a very short period.

Alas I didn't see what caused him to be so severely yet so temporarily injured in the box, but just enjoyed his magnificent theatrical effort to ensure he was seen by the ref to successfully get the game stopped while we were coincidentally in a good attacking position down your end of the pitch.

My favourite part of the game was in the first half when one of their players went down in their box whilst we were attacking, obviously very seriously injured that mysteriously seemed to happen a lot to their players whilst they were drawing, and so the ref stopped play. The player was face down kicking his legs up and down reminiscent of a toddler having a tantrum in the middle of a shop. If he was that badly injured he wouldn't be thrashing around. They were the dirtiest, most cynical team to come to PP in a long time, and their main tactic seemed to be not to let us play football. Having re-watched and read the various takes on the controversial incidents, I am happy that the referee was spot on and we won fair and square. Well done, lads!

We were right in front where the subs warmed up and noticed him at half time, and could see he is quite a character and popular. The BR PA played dance type music at half time and he did his best to get the subs to groove along to it at the end of their warm up, that was quite funny and showed a certain positivity and team spirit.

A very comfortable win that I could actually enjoy after we scored the second, then third... Lovely. Had a look at the PV fans forum to see what exactly the issue seemed to be between their goalie and fans after the game, and I feel sorry for them in their situation. Makes us looks like a bunch of happy clappers even after a couple of defeats.

Well, like for many others, that has stuffed me completely. Had long ago planned the Easter weekend, and due to long standing arrangements on the Tuesday I won't be able to go or even watch the match on RamsTV. This game was part of getting me to the 15+ away category for next season, assuming ticket priority sales are the same, making it easier getting tickets with a 15+ mate that at present is hit and miss and a complete pain in the rear juggling with each match. On reflection Sky has now taught me a valuable lesson in not getting hung up about being able to actually attend matches. The great works they do in skewing the leagues making them ultra competitive such as with money used for parachute payments (Come on Leicester, Leeds and Southampton, you plucky clubs can miraculously bounce straight back up to the PL!) is more important than fans that actually go to the games. As it's only going to get worse next season then I just need to get my head round the slight obsession I have with going to games, and accept that to have any sort of life outside of football without a completely clear diary for the year means that supporting Derby in person is going to be more hit and miss in future.

What I find hard is the separation from how fans interpret the football we play, to what happens week after week and seemingly no change from the management team. Common themes are playing it on the floor, putting passes together, not being over reliant on crossing the ball as a method of attacking etc. Difficult for them not wanting to be banned, but I can't recall any journalist asking PW about this. There were periods of the game last night when I thought that if someone didn't know the rules of football, they would think a team gets penalised for controlling the ball and passing it on the grass. It felt as if I was watching a football beach volleyball session where the ball mustn't hit the deck. Surely it must be our players are being told to play in this way. I don't see any post match calling out from PW of our style of play unless it is not being 'aggressive' enough. Teams can play there way out of this league ie Plymouth and Ipswich last season in particular, and on paper you'd think our players should be able to do this, but it seems that our quality players are being told to play like non league scrappers and it isn't working.

There are lots of questions raised by the interview such as these, but I'm not sure when if ever we'll get answers, apart from what can be gleaned from the accounts when they are released, but this won't indicate future plans ie for next season. I'm no financial expert, but reading abut the League One EFL financial rules, SCMP, that are different to those in the Championship, owners can inject any amount of cash into a club and this money can be used on wages, so a rich owner could essentially buy their way out of the league. https://www.efl.com/governance/regulations/#heading-part-2-league-one-salary-cost-management-protocol-scmp-guidance-notes So without knowing how much other clubs with lower attendances are spending in this way, then Derby being a supposedly 'big' club in League One may be misleading.

The 45% on player wages to turnover stat interests me and what this means for the future, if the standard EFL financial rules apply from next season rather than having to submit and then abide by a business plan that was the case this season different to how other clubs had to operate in the league. If anyone on here has football financial knowledge, the (lots of) questions I would have are... 1) How does 45% compare to other League One clubs? If we were to stay on L1, would this figure stay the same for next season or be cautiously increased? 2) Is it all too complicated due to transfer fees, loan fees etc having to be factored in next season? If so, why was the 45% figure repeatedly mentioned in the interview as evidence of our good financial management now? 3) If promoted to the Championship, would 45% be the aim? Is the only difference then the TV money as increased income? 4) As we get bigger home gates than all other clubs in L1, does this translate to increased income compared to other clubs that is available to spend on players? Our average home gate this season is 1.29X that of Bolton who have the second largest, and 2.79x the league average. Going to away matches at clubs with much smaller attendances and worse facilities, it makes me think, surely we must have a much greater income than them? Of course spending money on players is often a road to ruin as we know, but if done properly with the right players who are managed in the right way, given that league position is hugely related to expenditure, should we effectively be 'expected' to get promoted next season if it doesn't happen in this one?

Heads up that if you're driving the car park on Queens Road mentioned on Barnsley FC website for away fans isn't open, just for disabled, as grass there is waterlogged. Parked up the road at riding club for £3.