Crewton Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I skimmed through the Newcastle Wiki page. They've won nothing of note since the 50s! And that was the FA Cup. But talking of 'horrible' owners I'd forgotten Shepherd and Hall - they were deeply unpleasant. Inter-Cities Fair's Cup 1969 vs Ujpest Doza of Hungary was their last major trophy iirc. They got above themselves when first Keegan and then Bobby Robson managed them, thought they'd become a permanent fixture in the top 6, not realising that was an abberation. I wouldn't argue that Ashley never really leveraged their potential, but he left them in the PL ffs! Look where Sunderland, if anything a club with a more illustrious history and only a marginally smaller fanbase, are! Kathcairns and RoyMac5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) I agree with @IslandExile Not a fan of Ashley, but most likely he'll be the best of the worst options. Hopefully, everything is done quickly and we could disagree about a football once again. Edited January 8, 2022 by Dimmu Jimbo Ram, IslandExile, hydraulic ram and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 hour ago, PistoldPete said: If hes offered more than the others, and he's the 60th richest man in the Country, the admin team will be saying.. where do we sign? True.. I'm hoping he is named preffered bidder and quick. There would be no danger of him being able to complete a deal. Hector was the best 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooFarInToTurnRed Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 We should not let the views of Newcastle fans determine our opinion. They have been deluded for many years that they are a big club and should be competing in the Champions league expecting investment to suit. Even with their new owners they will find it difficult to break in to the elite group and in a year or two the fans will be complaining they are not being ambitious enough. Ram-Alf, Derby4Me and Kathcairns 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 22 minutes ago, Kathcairns said: How rediculous, how can anything be worse than liquidation, would love to know their views if the boot was on the other foot. Myself and a mate watched a boys football match many years ago, A substitute is just about to go on the pitch, My mate notices the Sub has his boots on the wrong feet(left on right, right on left)my mate says "hey lad you've got the boots on the wrong feet" the lad looks down and says..."no they're not they're my feet" We did laugh ? Sufferingfool, ck- and Kathcairns 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FindernRam Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Do we know why Ashley, after his torrid time with fans at Newcastle, would want to get involved with football again? Do we know what his relationship with Gibson is like? That part of the world is partisan at so many levels It wouldn't surprise me if Ashley wants in, to spite Gibson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) The question mark with Ashley is "does he just want a football club that breaks even" which is fine and is us mostly in the championship with rebuild challenge sell players cycles until we succeed,OR, does Ashley just want a football club in the premier League for advertising sports direct,in which case they'll be an effort to get there and then bumping along not achieving much. With Moxey/AA they know what they are doing but we're unsure of just how much they'd throw at us to do it. Either are better than shady Alonso or BZI. Neither are a utopian vision of DCFC world domination in the name of justice truth and the Derby way. Anything is better than liquidating the club. Whatever happens, the next few years are still likely to be rough. It's all part of the journey. Edited January 8, 2022 by RadioactiveWaste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, FindernRam said: Do we know why Ashley, after his torrid time with fans at Newcastle, would want to get involved with football again? Do we know what his relationship with Gibson is like? That part of the world is partisan at so many levels It wouldn't surprise me if Ashley wants in, to spite Gibson! It would be a good, cheap alternative way for him to advertise again. He is about to open House of Fraser and Flannels in Derby, to add to Sports Direct. Mike Ashley will already have a big presence in our City Centre. I have no problem with our stadium being called the Flannels Arena or House of Fraser Stadium, either will be better than the Ipro stadium thG Sam Rush gave us. I said on here 2 years ago I could see Mike Ashley buying us, it just seems a good fit for some reason. Sufferingfool, Hector was the best and Derby4Me 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 The thing about Mike Ashley is he knows how to run a profitable business (i share some of the points of @IslandExile about how he goes about it) and he knows that profitabilty and eventual growth in value of an asset with a view to sell means one thing only and that is PL. Providing you got a good manager you dont need hundreds of millions of investment to get out of the championship, we know that he wouldnt do that, but he has got the means to invest at championship level. Cost cutting isnt an option as there is really no fat to trim at the club, we are already at the bare bones. Putting all the points together. I think I can see that not only it would get us out of a really bad situation but could lead us onto better things. DCFC1388, Hector was the best, ariotofmyown and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 10 hours ago, Steve Buckley’s Dog said: As long as Stephen Pearce remains in charge of our finances then I am firmly in favour of this . If Ashley took over the first thing he should do is appoint Mel Morris as chief executive and ask him to devise a plan to deal and communicate with the EFL and Middlesbrough and Wycombe football clubs Eddie, archram and ariotofmyown 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maharan Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 minute ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said: The thing about Mike Ashley is he knows how to run a profitable business (i share some of the points of @IslandExile about how he goes about it) and he knows that profitabilty and eventual growth in value of an asset with a view to sell means one thing only and that is PL. Providing you got a good manager you dont need hundreds of millions of investment to get out of the championship, we know that he wouldnt do that, but he has got the means to invest at championship level. Cost cutting isnt an option as there is really no fat to trim at the club, we are already at the bare bones. Putting all the points together. I think I can see that not only it would get us out of a really bad situation but could lead us onto better things. If you’re looking at cost cutting, the first place to go will likely be the academy. Don’t think Newcastle funded theirs particularly well, but I could be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITSD Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 12 minutes ago, FindernRam said: Do we know why Ashley, after his torrid time with fans at Newcastle, would want to get involved with football again? Do we know what his relationship with Gibson is like? That part of the world is partisan at so many levels It wouldn't surprise me if Ashley wants in, to spite Gibson! Steve Gibson seems (or at least seemed) to quite like him, according to this: https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/13325725.boro-chairman-steve-gibson-thinks-steve-mcclaren-ideal-magpies/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 10 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said: If you read articles from around the time he took over Newcastle, they were - on a larger scale - in a very similar position to us. The way Mike Ashley chose to stabilise them was by significant cost cutting. Some folks seem to think that he will stabilise Derby by astute investment. He has no track record of doing so. The difference being that we have had the significant cost cutting already - can he pay the bills - yes - then we can progress with what we have currently jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Maharan said: If you’re looking at cost cutting, the first place to go will likely be the academy. Don’t think Newcastle funded theirs particularly well, but I could be wrong I am not so sure. We are a different prospect being Championship/L1. The academy is the one place that potentially generates surplus income. .. hey, as you imply none of us knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olton Ram Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Mel Morris, the dodgy sheik, Alonso the Spanish Fawaz, those Glaswegian Kray twins, Kirchner the publicity loving American, and now cuddly Mike Ashley. This whole ownership/takeover process has been such a fun time for the club and its fans. Can't wait for the next twist Ramarena and GboroRam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Maharan said: If you’re looking at cost cutting, the first place to go will likely be the academy. Don’t think Newcastle funded theirs particularly well, but I could be wrong Good point but as we stand with the amount of players coming through into the first team a shrewd business man will see the value. It is one thing producing academy players for a championship team and another for PL team, even a very average one like Newcastle. Andicis, Donnyram and ariotofmyown 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 43 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I skimmed through the Newcastle Wiki page. They've won nothing of note since the 50s! And that was the FA Cup. But talking of 'horrible' owners I'd forgotten Shepherd and Hall - they were deeply unpleasant. They won the Fairs Cup. But even that was 50 years ago. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maharan Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said: Good point but as we stand with the amount of players coming through into the first team a shrewd business man will see the value. It is one thing producing academy players for a championship team and another for PL team, even a very average one like Newcastle. Absolutely, it’s like comparing apples with a traffic cone. It is the only remaining significant cost that can be cut though, so it’ll be interesting to see what happens. is losing the academy ideal? Far from it, but if it’s the price that needs to be paid for saving the club, then reluctantly I’m all for it. (Or at least reduce funding to below category 1. You don’t absolutely need cat 1 to produce promising players) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 27 minutes ago, TooFarInToTurnRed said: We should not let the views of Newcastle fans determine our opinion. They have been deluded for many years that they are a big club and should be competing in the Champions league expecting investment to suit. Even with their new owners they will find it difficult to break in to the elite group and in a year or two the fans will be complaining they are not being ambitious enough. This. Plus whilst Ashley's business morals might not be the best, I'd like @IslandExile and @Dimmu et al to tell me which extremely rich capitalist they favour? As has been pointed out GSE appointed Porn Jewell! ? RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoooMarkWright Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, Maharan said: If you’re looking at cost cutting, the first place to go will likely be the academy. Don’t think Newcastle funded theirs particularly well, but I could be wrong You’re right, this is a worry. But, our academy is successful. Newcastle’s is terrible and was before Ashley arrived. For a club Newcastle’s size, they never produce. Ashley isn’t stupid, our academy could make him more money. I’m sure on that basis, he’d be happy to fund it still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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