Sparkle Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 14 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: Hendrick was 24 I class 24 as young ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marriot Ram99 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 I think 9-11mill would be a good price for him, probably on the lower end of that + a 15 %sell on fee and 1million potential bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 29 minutes ago, Marriott Ram99 said: I think 9-11mill would be a good price for him, probably on the lower end of that + a 15 %sell on fee and 1million potential bonuses. We'll be lucky to get half of that. We are in the mire and every other club knows it. Anything in the region of 5 million and he is off. I highly doubt we will be getting the maximum value from any outgoings. Jimbo Ram, mike93rh and Rample 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rample Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 36 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: We'll be lucky to get half of that. We are in the mire and every other club knows it. Anything in the region of 5 million and he is off. I highly doubt we will be getting the maximum value from any outgoings. Yep, thankfuly Gordan covered the last few months wages but we still need to pay out circa £1.2m per month with limited income, not to mention Keogh/Cocu compensation, signing on fees, season ticket refunds and any outstanding loan interest and potential EFL sanctions. Kids will likely max at the following plus sell ons, Bird £2m, Buchanan £4m, Sibley £4m, Knight £5m Lawrence will be gone for £1-2m if any takers and Jozwiak for a small profit. Not sure any of it will be reinvesed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Rample said: Yep, thankfuly Gordan covered the last few months wages but we still need to pay out circa £1.2m per month with limited income, not to mention Keogh/Cocu compensation, signing on fees, season ticket refunds and any outstanding loan interest and potential EFL sanctions. Kids will likely max at the following plus sell ons, Bird £2m, Buchanan £4m, Sibley £4m, Knight £5m Lawrence will be gone for £1-2m if any takers and Jozwiak for a small profit. Not sure any of it will be reinvesed I agree on your valuations but if none of it is reinvested then relegation will be a certainty next season. Rample 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 So much conjecture on here. The counter-argument is that if more than one club is interested in Knight, we'll get the going rate. Clubs will only be able to dry hump us if they are the only potential buyer. I'd also wager that if as seems to be the case, a sensible bid may be coming in for the club, the least thing they are going to want is to allow the cream of our youth to leave for buttons, especially when they will be amongst the lowest earners on our books and are FFP neutral. That makes literally zero commercial sense. jono and Sparkle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, 86 Hair Islands said: So much conjecture on here. The counter-argument is that if more than one club is interested in Knight, we'll get the going rate. Clubs will only be able to dry hump us if they are the only potential buyer. I'd also wager that if as seems to be the case, a sensible bid may be coming in for the club, the least thing they are going to want is to allow the cream of our youth to leave for buttons, especially when they will be amongst the lowest earners on our books and are FFP neutral. That makes literally zero commercial sense. We already let the cream of our youth go for buttons when Delap and Gordon went on the cheap to help keep the lights on. Edited June 7, 2021 by JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta GenBr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: We already let the cream of our youth go for buttons when Delap and Gordon went on the cheap to help keep the lights on. Don't think we could have 'stopped' either leaving could we @Ghost of Clough? Ghost of Clough and angieram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Don't think we could have 'stopped' either leaving could we @Ghost of Clough? Correct. Same applies to the 5 U14/15s who went to Man United Premier ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: We already let the cream of our youth go for buttons when Delap and Gordon went on the cheap to help keep the lights on. Not true though is it? We didn't 'let them go' they both walked. Both wanted to leave and neither were contracted so we had no choice. Andicis and Premier ram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Correct. Same applies to the 5 U14/15s who went to Man United Forgotten them. Is that a usual thing to happen with U14/15s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Forgotten them. Is that a usual thing to happen with U14/15s? Unusual for a group to move from one club to another at the same time, but not too unusual for youngsters to move at that age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Unusual for a group to move from one club to another at the same time, but not too unusual for youngsters to move at that age. But for money? I didn't realise clubs could buy youngsters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubbs Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 49 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said: Both wanted to leave and neither were contracted We offered both of them contracts for when they turned 17 and they were both younger than 17, so couldn't sign professional contracts anyway. Delap moved to Man City and Gordon moved to Liverpool. If they both came in with good offers and promises of first team football (Delap played last year and is becoming a first team player next season), what can Derby do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 32 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: But for money? I didn't realise clubs could buy youngsters? Compensation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: But for money? I didn't realise clubs could buy youngsters? They don't buy them. They 'compensate' us for the money we've spent on their education and training. It's another scam that favours the richest clubs. Expect more of it now Prem clubs can't have their pick of Europe's youngsters in the same way. Not saying we're blameless in this as we've used the same system to pick up Knight, Bogle, Ebosele etc. But we're lower down the pecking order so gonna get done over ourselves too. Our biggest problem is sell-on clauses. When Bogle went, Swindon made money, but with a player that transfers to a Manchester City or United, there really is no sell-on. If they make it there, noone else will be able to afford them. One day I will answer a question before @Ghost of Clough. ? Edited June 7, 2021 by angieram To add a bit Andicis and Black ('n' White) Sheep 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, angieram said: They don't buy them. They 'compensate' us for the money we've spent on their education and training. It's another scam that favours the richest clubs. Expect more of it now Prem clubs can't have their pick of Europe's youngsters in the same way. Not saying we're blameless in this as we've used the same system to pick up Knight, Bogle, Ebosele etc. But we're lower down the pecking order so gonna get done over ourselves too. Our biggest problem is sell-on clauses. When Bogle went, Swindon made money, but with a player that transfers to a Manchester City or United, there really is no sell-on. If they make it there, noone else will be able to afford them. One day I will answer a question before @Ghost of Clough. ? 1 word is quicker to type than over 100 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 35 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: 1 word is quicker to type than over 100 ? True. ck- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, angieram said: One day I will answer a question before @Ghost of Clough. ? ? Thanks for telling the whole story angieram! @Ghost of Clough ?? Edited June 7, 2021 by RoyMac5 angieram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 I honestly think he's been quite poor for a while, so I think 10 million is pretty optimistic. If selling him guaranteed money going back into transfers I would say 5-6 million wouldn't be bad business for us. DCFC1388 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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