Dinnitdough Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 My biggest issue is still a lack of options forward. At the moment we have two midfielders and a heavy forward up top. Why wasn’t a new forward top priority from the start of the transfer window? Especially since Chris Martin left. And Waghorn had a long term injury.....Then we let Marriott go. I mean we have actually played games this season without a forward on the pitch!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4derby Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 32 minutes ago, Leicester Ram said: I’ve felt the shift tonight, had a right bloody go of it with 3-4-3, fought really hard in some games and we’re unlucky not to win at least two of the Forest/Cardiff/Bournemouth run. Players looked like they believed and were playing for their manager, particularly in the Forest game where we were robbed. Switched it up tonight but the team looked dead on their feet. Players out of position, bizarre tactically and no discernible style of attacking play. He didn’t deserve all the negativity and pressure he’s had this season from the likes of you, considering how ducking unlucky and just tough his time as manager’s been but 10 games into the season with our record suggests something is seriously wrong. This team is better than this. Rooney shoulders some of the blame too. He was inspirational pre-lockdown and has come back unfit/unmotivated. For a player of that stature in the championship it’s shameful. I do think the pandemic was one hurdle too many for Cocu, we lost our home advantage and his captain. Gone from Pride Park being a fortress to QPR coming in and winning on a night like this without doing anything special If I feel beaten down and depressed, god knows how Phil must feel. Just to be clear, I’ve been one of the supporters calling for calm and to give Cocu time. No negativity or pressure from me. Unsure whether that was a typo or a misplaced jibe at me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, Ellafella said: Not sure how that got there?!! ? Yeah right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, ollycutts1982 said: What was said? Uncomfortable and vague - hollow positivity - almost like trying to defend a position that is materially so poor that everyone realises the game is up - sad really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 If nothing else please let this put the argument to bed about starting Rooney at #10 or up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, Orphanram said: Put RD straight on after the game and Eric Steele absolutely dismantled Cocu’s approach to this game with his analysis. He was very critical of the players but scathing about Cocu’s tactics, selections and substitutions. He was absolutely bang on with his summary and assessment as per normal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanram Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Van der MoodHoover said: What was Eric's answer? He gave his view on why we didn’t retain the press we saw in the previous game, didn’t agree with the change of formation, disagreed with taking Rooney off as he can be a match winner, would have retained players with a more attacking threat on the pitch as well as bringing on attack minded players (and to be fair he’s been part of a management team who did exactly that) and completely disagreed with Cocu’s view that it was a good second half performance. That’s my recollection might not be perfect, I’m not sure if you can listen again on iPlayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 40 minutes ago, minesahartington said: Wassell short term to get the best back from the young players he knows and instil the belief and style they do possess. It can’t get any worse literally If we change, Wassell feels the obvious choice if I'm honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Whist i think there's more wrong than Cocu right now, he's not getting it right. The whole thing just makes me sad. Also, wash your hands everybody, me and my better have been sick with 'rona - you don't want this thing. It gives you the squits real bad as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 "You try to find a balance between not opening up too much [defensively], but we also play to win the game. The more the game progressed, the more we went forward, but I don’t think the team deserves the defeat." he just watches different games to me im afraid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Orphanram said: He gave his view on why we didn’t retain the press we saw in the previous game, didn’t agree with the change of formation, disagreed with taking Rooney off as he can be a match winner, would have retained players with a more attacking threat on the pitch as well as bringing on attack minded players (and to be fair he’s been part of a management team who did exactly that) and completely disagreed with Cocu’s view that it was a good second half performance. That’s my recollection might not be perfect, I’m not sure if you can listen again on iPlayer. Sounds a reasonable summary tbf Although....the bit about formation was also debated on these boards and a consensus view was that ultimately we needed to get back to a 433 to carry more of a goal threat as with the 343 we "never" looked like scoring more than 1 and the tactics (if they were deliberate at all) of playing well, scoring, then trying to defend were risible. So i suppose Cocu took a gamble and moved to a 433 tonight. But because we don't have Bielik as the CDM he ends up playing both Rooney and Shinnie in the midfield 3 and it all unravelled from there........ Plus of course the abject performances from the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, Monty said: Danny Crowley making some good tactical points whilst being diplomatic about cocu Yes. Very astute observations which I vehemently agreed with. In a nutshell: PC’s system is easy to combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, brady1993 said: If nothing else please let this put the argument to bed about starting Rooney FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Whist i think there's more wrong than Cocu right now, he's not getting it right. The whole thing just makes me sad. Also, wash your hands everybody, me and my better have been sick with 'rona - you don't want this thing. It gives you the squits real bad as well. Sorry to read, hope you are both on the mend matey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 28 minutes ago, ThePrisoner said: What? I don’t know ?♂️ how that got there and apologise if anybody is offended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 When a new manager comes in (as will surely happen I feel), are we all going to feel rightly annoyed that the players start giving a toss trying again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Millenniumram said: FTFY Agreed but I feel others will take the bullet for him being crap once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Ram Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 39 minutes ago, minesahartington said: He will be fine. Completely out of his depth in this league. Will go back to Holland blaming all and accepting no responsibility Yeah, you’re right, the eternally classy and humble Phillip Cocu will turn into Billy Davies overnight. the blokes been dealt the toughest hand I’ve seen a manager get at this club in my lifetime and you’re going to act like he’s some fraud because he didn’t get us up, get a grip. What on earth have you seen from him that makes you think he’d act like that? More likely that’s what you’d do in his position. The bloke’s won multiple league titles at a huge club and played for ducking Barcelona, second tier Derby County won’t affect his legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Just now, Ellafella said: I don’t know ?♂️ how that got there and apologise if anybody is offended. I was just stumped trying to make the link between our position and that image! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 This was a particularly hard result to take. Cocu really needed this and honestly nothing kills my spirit than another managerial change. All he needed to do was keep us out of the bottom three and win a couple of games, literally one more win would have kept him in a job at this point. It's not like we're asking for the world. We have the team currently sat at the very top of the academy football pyramid, with the top goalscorer (may I add) and our first team would be BOTTOM of the second division had it not been for a point deduction with almost no goals from open play to show for 10 games. When you watch the games, it's clearly not an ability issue with the team. Today was bad viewing, but we have a very solid squad with regards to technical footballers. It's the managers job to put the players in the best positions in order to create and score goals. He has more than enough ability at his disposal to put together a winning team - it's not even close to being in question. It's tough. It's been a horrible year and if you're a Derby fan then this really won't help. I'm nearly in my 30s and nothing ruins my mood than a Derby County loss. We've had far too many of them throughout 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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