Angry Ram Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jourdan said: One guy booming ‘Forward, gerrit forward!’ that seems to be heard from every spot in the ground, and another guy shouting ‘Rubbish, it’s bloody rubbish, Cocu.’ until he is blue in the face. Brought a tear to my eye. I am missing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 39 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I really feel for Phillip today. He looked so dejected on his Sky interview. I do though wonder about a set-up which has 6 coaches all adding their views into "tactics and selection". "Committees" are often ill-equipped to provide decisive and inspirational leadership and often produce a "Groupthink" mentality when outcomes are "averaged" into an incoherent plan. Collectively, we all need to give Phillip a big hug today. A brilliant result on Saturday and it could flip - unlikely but still possible if we stop making the same repeated mistakes and vacillating between a collection of half-baked and illogical decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 He can have a big hug as we carry him to the back door of pride park,release him outside and close the door behind him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Rams Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jourdan said: Definitely agree that it is a blessing that games are behind closed doors. People think it’s toxic now? There would be picnic baskets thrown on the pitch in disgust. There would be fights amongst fans a la Coventry away under Phil Brown. And the booing, off the charts. And you’d have the two staples of every home game, of course. One guy booming ‘Forward, gerrit forward!’ that seems to be heard from every spot in the ground, and another guy shouting ‘Rubbish, it’s bloody rubbish, Cocu.’ until he is blue in the face. So we had a fantastic record last season WITH fans...and an awful record WITHOUT fans..yet you think that is a blessing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Brought a tear to my eye. I am missing them. Yes; it is incredible but so am I. Even people that you don't necessarily speak to, save for a nod and a smile but you see repeatedly during a season and absorb an implied connection with. As Shane Nicholson superbly put it "Any Derby County fan is a friend of mine". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Patrick Rams said: So we had a fantastic record last season WITH fans...and an awful record WITHOUT fans..yet you think that is a blessing? Do you really think there’s a connection? Why isn’t everyone else losing week in week out at home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edtheram Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 14 hours ago, brady1993 said: Sibley and Bird have both taken the brunt of the blame for the first 3 games despite not being the worst culprits... Both should be back in the side. Who do they come in for then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Edtheram said: Who do they come in for then? It's not the only changes I'd make bear in mind........ But Shinnie and Rooney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavesaRam Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Brian Clough never bothered much about opposition strengths or weaknesses or tactics. He played to the strengths of what he had and let the opposition do the worrying. He even went to Anfield in Liverpool's heyday and played 4 - 4 - 2. Yes, 4 - 4 - 2 away from home. And we gave them a roasting, but it was because he wanted to, not because he was worried about Liverpool. Alan hinton couldn't tackel for love nor money, but instead of working on his tracking back and tackling, he built the team ar9ound the fact tha Hinton was the best crosser of the ball at the time, and probably since then. Last night Cocu ditched the system that was starting to work with the players we have and went back to 4 - 3 - 3, which doesn't work. At all. Apparently he changed things because of the way QPR play. He hadn't spotted that the way QPR play is to not win away from home. Well he soon put that right, didn't he? Add in the regular discovery by numerous Derby managers that a high press works, but then ditch it almost immediately, and in Cocu's case as soon as we get "the goal". Last night we didn't even try the press until we had gone behind. Instead, as QPR passed the ball, inevitably to a team mate in oceans of space, we would dispatch a player to charge across those bleak, empty acres to try an close the man down, only to find that he had already controlled the ball and moved it on. WE weren't even marking them close, let alone pressing them. We did manage three really slick counter attack moves, with good shot from Joscaik, and two from Rooney. But that was about it. There was an opening for Tom Lawrence, but instead of hitting the ball first time, he took a touch and then ran the ball out of play. Another chance gone. Rooney looked a lonely figure last night, especially on the Sky zoom-ins. And there was barely any communication with the rest of the team. Forsyth was poor, consistently giving the ball away and being out of position. He managed a couple of good defensive headers, and linked well with Tom Lawrence a couple of times, but it was a hell of a risk putting him into the team. Waghorn has been a good addition to the team since he came back in, but has now managed to get his "rubber-shinned" ball control back up to speed again, so loads of attacks broke down when he momentarily got the ball. Joscaik was the only one looking like he could turn the game, but sadly doesn't have the players he needs around him. The fact that he was clogged regularly with little protection from the ref (who saw that one coming?) explains why he jumped away from that challenge leading up to the goal. At least while they are clogging Josciak they are not kicking lumps out of Jason Knight, who is the most fouled teenager in England, apparently. Where to, now? I have no idea, apart from if Phil is still with us on Saturday, then he should tactically grow a pair and go back to the system that could work, with a high press and high pace, and keep it going until we are well ahead, instead of only just ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 46 minutes ago, DavesaRam said: Brian Clough never bothered much about opposition strengths or weaknesses or tactics. He played to the strengths of what he had and let the opposition do the worrying. He even went to Anfield in Liverpool's heyday and played 4 - 4 - 2. Yes, 4 - 4 - 2 away from home. And we gave them a roasting, but it was because he wanted to, not because he was worried about Liverpool. Alan hinton couldn't tackel for love nor money, but instead of working on his tracking back and tackling, he built the team ar9ound the fact tha Hinton was the best crosser of the ball at the time, and probably since then. Last night Cocu ditched the system that was starting to work with the players we have and went back to 4 - 3 - 3, which doesn't work. At all. Apparently he changed things because of the way QPR play. He hadn't spotted that the way QPR play is to not win away from home. Well he soon put that right, didn't he? Add in the regular discovery by numerous Derby managers that a high press works, but then ditch it almost immediately, and in Cocu's case as soon as we get "the goal". Last night we didn't even try the press until we had gone behind. Instead, as QPR passed the ball, inevitably to a team mate in oceans of space, we would dispatch a player to charge across those bleak, empty acres to try an close the man down, only to find that he had already controlled the ball and moved it on. WE weren't even marking them close, let alone pressing them. We did manage three really slick counter attack moves, with good shot from Joscaik, and two from Rooney. But that was about it. There was an opening for Tom Lawrence, but instead of hitting the ball first time, he took a touch and then ran the ball out of play. Another chance gone. Rooney looked a lonely figure last night, especially on the Sky zoom-ins. And there was barely any communication with the rest of the team. Forsyth was poor, consistently giving the ball away and being out of position. He managed a couple of good defensive headers, and linked well with Tom Lawrence a couple of times, but it was a hell of a risk putting him into the team. Waghorn has been a good addition to the team since he came back in, but has now managed to get his "rubber-shinned" ball control back up to speed again, so loads of attacks broke down when he momentarily got the ball. Joscaik was the only one looking like he could turn the game, but sadly doesn't have the players he needs around him. The fact that he was clogged regularly with little protection from the ref (who saw that one coming?) explains why he jumped away from that challenge leading up to the goal. At least while they are clogging Josciak they are not kicking lumps out of Jason Knight, who is the most fouled teenager in England, apparently. Where to, now? I have no idea, apart from if Phil is still with us on Saturday, then he should tactically grow a pair and go back to the system that could work, with a high press and high pace, and keep it going until we are well ahead, instead of only just ahead. simply Outstanding post Take a bow son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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