Mackay - Rooney

[StockholmRam]

46 minutes ago, Millenniumram said:

Er, where’s the champions league win? I’m off to support someone else if that ain’t included???

Ahhh thats the horrible part if history repeats mate. He shuffles off somewhere horrible like Leeds for a few days and then turns up down the A52 and works miracles. 

[Millenniumram]

3 minutes ago, StockholmRam said:

Ahhh thats the horrible part if history repeats mate. He shuffles off somewhere horrible like Leeds for a few days and then turns up down the A52 and works miracles. 

Cocu out!??????

[TigerTedd]

49 minutes ago, europia said:

I doubt Rooney is in the same class as someone like Mackay, nor is he likely to achieve as much at DCFC unfortunately. 

That seems an odd statement. Too young to remember MacKay, but you can probably only count on one hand the players at this level that are anywhere near the same class as Rooney. 

How could England’s record goal scorer and captain not be in the same class as MacKay? Not to diss MacKay, I’m sure he was amazing, and not to blow too much smoke to Rooney’s arse, but his record speaks for itself. 

[Andicis]

3 minutes ago, TigerTedd said:

but you can probably only count on one hand the players at this level that are anywhere near the same class as Rooney. 

Is there any in the Championship? I genuinely can't think of any. With the ball at his feet, Rooney is by a country mile the best player in this division.

[BriggRam]

1 minute ago, Andicis said:

Is there any in the Championship? I genuinely can't think of any. With the ball at his feet, Rooney is by a country mile the best player in this division.

Hate to say it Hernandez at Leeds is a quality player.......not as good as our Wazza tho and older

[Andicis]

Just now, Barnetbyram said:

Hate to say it Hernandez at Leeds is a quality player.......not as good as our Wazza tho and older

The only thing he's better at than Rooney is running, and he's getting worse at that by the day. Hernandez is decent but nowhere near the same calibre of Rooney, even at his prime. 

[ilkleyram]

1 hour ago, rsmini said:

I can just about remember Mackay joining, it was quite a coup for the club at the time and transformed the team. Of course he helped us to be champions of England twice, once as a player and once as a manager 

I can clearly remember Dave Mackay joining us, and the impact he had on the club and the team and the town.

Forget any nonsense about the value of Scottish caps or the numbers thereof, Dave was a legend of the game before he came to us, not just Hearts or Spurs or Scotland. His contribution to Derby just added to his legendary status. He and Igor at different stages of our development had similar impacts on our club. My suspicion is that Rooney will become the third such player in our recent history and that's not for a single moment minimising the contributions of other individual players.

We would not have won either of our championships without Dave Mackay's influence as a player nor our second division title - the other players he taught to play were instrumental in our second championship when he happened to be manager; the first was down to his direct influence.

Rooney could yet have a similar impact, could be the catalyst that inspires a club and the likes of Knight, Bird, Sibley, Whittaker et al. It's early days still - Igor's first match was a 5-1 loss - but the signs are promising. But the wider astonishment and attention attached to Rooney signing for and playing for us is very similar to that the city and football generally felt when Dave agreed to Join our club. 

These are different times and the opportunity for things to go wrong are nowadays much greater. Dave was no angel by today's  standards. If Wayne can let his football do all the talking then there is no doubt that his influence can match that of Dave Mackay.

[ramit]

[sunnyhill60]

2 hours ago, Ambitious said:

Dave Mackay is obviously a Derby legend and did unthinkable things in a Rams top, but it's not like he was the top international player of his time before joining Derby. He struggled to hold down a place in the Scotland team (only 22 caps) and never played for them during his time here. I guess he may have retired from the International game, not sure, but it's strange for such an iconic player. I'm far too young to remember, but just seems strange looking back. Jesse Lingard has more caps for England than Dave Mackay does for Scotland. 

Rooney is quite possibly the best player this country has ever seen, in terms of records and accolades it strongly indicates he may well be. 

He had a lot of appearances for England but wasn't close to being our most prolific scorer. Just check Steve Bloomer and Harry Kane. As for best player we have ever seen, there have been far too many mediocre efforts for that. As for Mackay not playing for Scotland whilst with us, neither will Wayne fin Rooney play for England.

He has played two games for us and that's all, lets just wait a while before putting him on as a high a pedestal as someone like Dave Mackay.

So far he has done everything right and I have as high hopes as everyone  else he will deliver the goods.

[RamNut]

22 caps for Scotland doesn’t make any sense at all.

to understand Mackay think stimac to the power of ten.

He was the a Football writers player of the year, at Derby, in the second division. 

[DesertRam]

I don't know about the Mackay analogy, yet, but I feel that as Rooney gets his match fitness back and we

have a few back from injury, and hopefully a couple of new faces we will definitely be going up the table

not down - still think top 6 a possibility so long as we don't lapse back into an unbeaten run.

[BathRam72]

9 hours ago, RamNut said:

It is a valid comparison. Not sure that wayne is quite as good as Dave ??

the young players are comparable with gems like McGovern and robson

not sure we've quite got a les green, a mcfarland or a hector though. 

You are probably right. After all Rooney is only the all time England goal scorer, Manchester Utd all time goal scorer. Has won something like 12 major titles. 

I assume your thumb and face emoji meant you were joking of course

[BathRam72]

5 hours ago, sunnyhill60 said:

He had a lot of appearances for England but wasn't close to being our most prolific scorer. Just check Steve Bloomer and Harry Kane. As for best player we have ever seen, there have been far too many mediocre efforts for that. As for Mackay not playing for Scotland whilst with us, neither will Wayne fin Rooney play for England.

He has played two games for us and that's all, lets just wait a while before putting him on as a high a pedestal as someone like Dave Mackay.

So far he has done everything right and I have as high hopes as everyone  else he will deliver the goods.

What a ridiculous statement.

If you are comparing Rooney to Mackay in a Derby shirt after 2 games then of course Mackay will come out on top.

But to say Mackay was better over his career compared to Rooney is ludicrous. 

Take off you sheep tinted glasses and take a look through impartiality. 

 

[BaaLocks]

9 hours ago, StockholmRam said:

Im quite sure whatever gaga state Im in by then will be fully deserved and well earned. 

Whatever you end up like, make sure to keep your Poker Face.....

[Seaside Sam]

it really dosen't matter what peoples opinion of Rooney are ,the fact is it was clear to see the effect he was having on the rest of the team was immediate and that includes the senior players ie Martin,Davies ,Lawrence and co,so as far as i  am concerned long may it continue.

ps, i was never a great fan of his myself,but am very happy to be proved wrong. CMYR

[Bald Eagle's Barmy Army]

10 hours ago, europia said:

I doubt Rooney is in the same class as someone like Mackay, nor is he likely to achieve as much at DCFC unfortunately. 

Can I borrow your crystal ball when you've finished with it. 

[ramsbottom]

10 hours ago, europia said:

I doubt Rooney is in the same class as someone like Mackay, nor is he likely to achieve as much at DCFC unfortunately. 

I bet you're the life and soul at parties...

 

[Richard Dastard Lee]

I was fortunate enough to witness Dave Mackay as both player and manager and enjoy the success that followed, and whilst watching the brief highlights of yesterdays game at Palace on Match of the Day made the same Rooney - Mackay comparison as the OP. Far too early to predict if things will develop similarly but we can hope.

Regarding Dave's lack of Scotland caps I believe it may be that in the 60's Scotland preferred to select players who were playing for Scottish teams rather than those playing south of the border as Dave was when he left Hearts for Spurs.

[King Kevin]

Bloody hell he's played two games and everyone's creaming their knickers trying to compare two completely different type of players in different times and a completely different game to what it was then. 

The one similarity is it was a massive coup back then to get Dave from Spurs as it is now with Rooney .It looks like WR will have the impact we hoped he would and if and only if he is instrumental in getting us up could you start to compare him with DM .

[Bob The Badger]

12 hours ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

I am too young to have experienced the 70s unfortunately, so, a question...

Just how good was Dave Mackay?

He was way past his peak days but his game had evolved a bit like Rooney's seems to be doing. He dictated play and his reading of the game was such that he barely broke into a trot  

He was still a fearsome tackler and had a dominating presence about him that spread confidence through the team. 

There are similarities with Rooney in so much as both men were not reliant on one or two elements to the game, they had the whole package.
The ability to read and react to a game can cover up a multitude of sins and that's what Mackay and I think Rooney will do.  Paul McGrath played some outstanding football for Derby with a pair of legs that if they belonged to a horse would have been more likely to be bought by Ronseal than a professional football club.