StockholmRam Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 The story is legend. Clough and Taylor bring a sensational but older talent to the club at a time where numerous young diamonds need nurturing, cajoling, teaching, yelling at and Mackay did that in spades and then some. Cloughie admitted that Dave was like having the manager out on the park. Its early days of course but the similarities are incredible. Even the league position and the years languishing out of the top flight of the game. So. I leave this here for you to comment on, or not. We can revisit this thread in 2021 ( promoted), 2024 ( premier league champions) 2025 ( Cocu resigns, Mel accepts and puts Rooney in as manager) 2027 ( premier league champions again with Rooney as manager). Enjoy the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 It is a valid comparison. Not sure that wayne is quite as good as Dave ?? the young players are comparable with gems like McGovern and robson not sure we've quite got a les green, a mcfarland or a hector though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superzak Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 There will never be another King Kevin Hector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I am too young to have experienced the 70s unfortunately, so, a question... Just how good was Dave Mackay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, superzak said: There will never be another King Kevin Hector What about Trialist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, MackworthRamIsGod said: I am too young to have experienced the 70s unfortunately, so, a question... Just how good was Dave Mackay? Unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StockholmRam Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, MackworthRamIsGod said: I am too young to have experienced the 70s unfortunately, so, a question... Just how good was Dave Mackay? As good as Rooney. Leader, captain, battler, passer, presence. Won all there was to be won in his day except the world cup. If he was English he would have won that and Bobby Moore might not have been captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I just can’t believe Wayne Effin Rooney plays for Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, StockholmRam said: The story is legend. Clough and Taylor bring a sensational but older talent to the club at a time where numerous young diamonds need nurturing, cajoling, teaching, yelling at and Mackay did that in spades and then some. Cloughie admitted that Dave was like having the manager out on the park. Its early days of course but the similarities are incredible. Even the league position and the years languishing out of the top flight of the game. So. I leave this here for you to comment on, or not. We can revisit this thread in 2021 ( promoted), 2024 ( premier league champions) 2025 ( Cocu resigns, Mel accepts and puts Rooney in as manager) 2027 ( premier league champions again with Rooney as manager). Enjoy the ride. 2032 is gonna be depressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozza Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 We can but dream, why not .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I'll see you all when I'm about 90 for some more moaning and p-taking then lads if that's the case. Assuming that the forum is still going. Maybe David is doing it as a retirement hobby ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraggrams Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 It has been an exceptional start by Rooney! His "from the front" leadership has been outstanding. Mackay brought similar class and stature to Clough's young team. Difficult to compare legacy yet, but if this continues Rooney will no doubt become a club legend like Mackay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irobinson Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Not a bad shout actually ... we are effing brill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StockholmRam Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, philmycocu said: 2032 is gonna be depressing 2032 old mate, I will be " celebrating " 62 years of supporting our club. Im quite sure whatever gaga state Im in by then will be fully deserved and well earned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsmini Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I can just about remember Mackay joining, it was quite a coup for the club at the time and transformed the team. Of course he helped us to be champions of England twice, once as a player and once as a manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 For those of the 80’s (like me), John Gregory came down to division 3 and had massive impact with two promotions and was then (joint) top scorer in Div 1 when we got there. Not comparing Gregory’s career to Mackay/Rooney but he was recent England international at the time and was a big deal of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, StockholmRam said: The story is legend. Clough and Taylor bring a sensational but older talent to the club at a time where numerous young diamonds need nurturing, cajoling, teaching, yelling at and Mackay did that in spades and then some. Cloughie admitted that Dave was like having the manager out on the park. Its early days of course but the similarities are incredible. Even the league position and the years languishing out of the top flight of the game. So. I leave this here for you to comment on, or not. We can revisit this thread in 2021 ( promoted), 2024 ( premier league champions) 2025 ( Cocu resigns, Mel accepts and puts Rooney in as manager) 2027 ( premier league champions again with Rooney as manager). Enjoy the ride. I doubt Rooney is in the same class as someone like Mackay, nor is he likely to achieve as much at DCFC unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Er, where’s the champions league win? I’m off to support someone else if that ain’t included??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Dave Mackay is obviously a Derby legend and did unthinkable things in a Rams top, but it's not like he was the top international player of his time before joining Derby. He struggled to hold down a place in the Scotland team (only 22 caps) and never played for them during his time here. I guess he may have retired from the International game, not sure, but it's strange for such an iconic player. I'm far too young to remember, but just seems strange looking back. Jesse Lingard has more caps for England than Dave Mackay does for Scotland. Rooney is quite possibly the best player this country has ever seen, in terms of records and accolades it strongly indicates he may well be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StockholmRam Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 34 minutes ago, Ambitious said: Dave Mackay is obviously a Derby legend and did unthinkable things in a Rams top, but it's not like he was the top international player of his time before joining Derby. He struggled to hold down a place in the Scotland team (only 22 caps) and never played for them during his time here. I guess he may have retired from the International game, not sure, but it's strange for such an iconic player. I'm far too young to remember, but just seems strange looking back. Jesse Lingard has more caps for England than Dave Mackay does for Scotland. Rooney is quite possibly the best player this country has ever seen, in terms of records and accolades it strongly indicates he may well be. Scotland do have a long history of not giving as many caps as they should to super players. Davie Cooper and Alan Hanson fit that quite well and its strange because even though England can be accused of the same thing, especially 70s, its not as though Scotland had the same pool numbers to select from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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