RamNut Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Quote Been watching our midfield for the best part of forty years now and at his best would put him in my top 10 . Top 20 yes, top 10? Gemmill, carlin, rioch, daly, durban, gregory, williams, asanovic, eranio, carsley, kinkladze, idiakez, osman, barnes, bryson, hughes, thorne, huddlestone, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Hobhead Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 6 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said: Feel a bit sorry for Thorne. Lets not forget that when he signed West Brom a midtable premier league side had just given him a 3 year deal and were not at all pleased to be letting him go. Been watching our midfield for the best part of forty years now and at his best would put him in my top 10 . He also had a pretty decent 15-16 season , people forget how peed off they were when Wassall played him in that meaningless Ipswich match and it did cost us a Wembley trip that year. With Thorne we would have had far too much for Hull. Alas that double leg break with it's complications be that physical or mental appears to have finished him at this level. I would be delighted if not as he could still be far and away our best midfielder . Either way I would never put him in the bracket of the Butterfields and Blackmans if he'd stayed fit we wouldn't be in this league. Butterfield and Johnson have had more of a positive impact in the time they’ve been here than Thorne has. One spent a year away on loan too. Ive never known a player lauded so much for so little as I have George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, Warren Hobhead said: Butterfield and Johnson have had more of a positive impact in the time they’ve been here than Thorne has. One spent a year away on loan too. Ive never known a player lauded so much for so little as I have George. Well they've played more games.... Really not sure what your definition of 'impact' is but neither Butters nor Johnson has broken a leg or ruptured an ACL which also helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Warren Hobhead said: Butterfield and Johnson have had more of a positive impact in the time they’ve been here than Thorne has. Wait...what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathersage Ram Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 That's because (and I haven't checked) Thorne has not been fit for the period in question, and I make no positive or negative implication on Butters or Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 6 hours ago, RamNut said: Top 20 yes, top 10? Gemmill, carlin, rioch, daly, durban, gregory, williams, asanovic, eranio, carsley, kinkladze, idiakez, osman, barnes, bryson, hughes, thorne, huddlestone, Ah the passage of time. A couple of those don't make it past the 40-year cut off point. And another couple that did were well past their best by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Warren Hobhead said: Butterfield and Johnson have had more of a positive impact in the time they’ve been here than Thorne has. One spent a year away on loan too. Ive never known a player lauded so much for so little as I have George. Thorne helped catapult us into 3rd. We were beginning to lose momentum until he joined, and we went from looking pretty good to unbeatable. Some of our home performances in the run in embarrassed some decent Championship teams. We were thumped 4-1 by Leicester away without a CDM and that highlighted what we were missing. Saying Butterfield and Johnson have achieved more is ridiculous. Thorne was a vital cog in a well-oiled machine that got us to Wembley. I was there - that’s something tangible! Johnson and Butterfield have never been so important to us in their time here, and during that time, we haven’t gone to Wembley, finished 3rd or genuinely performed like we could compete with the best in the league over a sustained period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POSH STH Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Really sad to read this thread about George Thorne and his continuing injury problems. He was terrific when Posh had him on loan a few seasons ago, and we were all gutted when he got called back to West Brom after only 7 (I think) games. One of the best midfielders I've ever seen in a Posh shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Warren Hobhead said: Butterfield and Johnson have had more of a positive impact in the time they’ve been here than Thorne has. One spent a year away on loan too. Ive never known a player lauded so much for so little as I have George. This is why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 The love-in for Thorne is pretty basic psychology. He was one of (if not the) poster boy for our explosion out of dreary Clough-ball into McClaren's promotion contenders. The general consensus was that we were competing largely because of Thorne, culminating in the sheer excitement at the concept of signing him despite missing out in the playoffs. I think, being a realist, Thorne likely has little future at Derby - it's possible he has little future at this level. The injuries have clearly done a number on him in general. But he is the face that many people see when they look back at when we finally started competing again, and just because of that everyone is going to be desperate for him to find his form once more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipley Ram Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 I'm really sorry to say it, and I hope George me leaves with egg all over my face for saying so, but he's a shadow of the player he once was. At his best he was magnificant, and injury free would have been one of the greats. We would have gone up if he hadn't got that preseason injury. Having had an ACL injury and a bad broken leg myself I know how hard he's had to work to get back to where he is now, and how things aren't quite the same after that sort injury regardless of how much work you put in. Good luck and stay fit George, but I don't think you'll be at Derby next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeram Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 9 hours ago, RamNut said: Top 20 yes, top 10? Gemmill, carlin, rioch, daly, durban, gregory, williams, asanovic, eranio, carsley, kinkladze, idiakez, osman, barnes, bryson, hughes, thorne, huddlestone, You forgot Henry Newton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 hour ago, SaintRam said: The love-in for Thorne is pretty basic psychology. He was one of (if not the) poster boy for our explosion out of dreary Clough-ball into McClaren's promotion contenders. The general consensus was that we were competing largely because of Thorne, culminating in the sheer excitement at the concept of signing him despite missing out in the playoffs. It's funny how with time myths become fact. GT made his first start in the 37th game that season, of the 9 games he played I think we won 5, lost 3 and drew 1 (happy to be corrected on this if wrong). Although obviously a factor, that season is not why I like George Thorne so much, its just because he was/is such a naturally talented footballer. His passing and the way he seemed to glide across the pitch were great to watch and the sort of thing that I pay to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 44 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: It's funny how with time myths become fact. GT made his first start in the 37th game that season, of the 9 games he played I think we won 5, lost 3 and drew 1 (happy to be corrected on this if wrong). Although obviously a factor, that season is not why I like George Thorne so much, its just because he was/is such a naturally talented footballer. His passing and the way he seemed to glide across the pitch were great to watch and the sort of thing that I pay to watch. We won 7, lost 2, and drew 1. His first start was the 5-0 win over Forest. He then bossed both legs against Brighton in the play-offs. Just because he didn't play much doesn't mean he wasn't the poster boy of that season by the end of it. Don't take any wrong meaning from my post, I think Thorne was a fabulous football player and I thoroughly love the guy. I was just explaining why so many are willing to give him all the time in the world to re-find his feet, when in similar circumstances with players of a similar quality, most would have moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 2 hours ago, SaintRam said: The love-in for Thorne is pretty basic psychology. He was one of (if not the) poster boy for our explosion out of dreary Clough-ball into McClaren's promotion contenders. The general consensus was that we were competing largely because of Thorne, culminating in the sheer excitement at the concept of signing him despite missing out in the playoffs. I think, being a realist, Thorne likely has little future at Derby - it's possible he has little future at this level. The injuries have clearly done a number on him in general. But he is the face that many people see when they look back at when we finally started competing again, and just because of that everyone is going to be desperate for him to find his form once more. I’m not sure this is necessarily the case. Thorne only played twelve games that season and three the season after. Eustace and Khalifa Cisse were fine in that role, we were playing lovely football and scoring goals. Then George comes in and we look a class above. He’s running the show week-in-week out and we’re smashing everyone. He did everything Eustace did and most of what Hughes did allowing us to play another goal scoring runner in Jeff rather than a linker in Hughes. He’s winning the ball back more than Eust did, he spraying passes, feeding the six players ahead of him, backing-up play and controlling games. People pine for him because his first fourteen games for the club were the best run of performances many of us have seen at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 George Thorne, at his best, was a rare breed too. It's not often you can find a tall holding midfielder who can tackle, but also play as a deep-lying playmaker. Almost unique at Championship level. I personally can't remember another player like him at Derby. I remember the likes of Lee Carsley and Christian Dailly who could also perform exceptionally well at holding midfield, but neither were in the same mould as Thorne. He was our Busquets. Unfortunately, he'll never be that same player again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsall_Ram Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Someone's back in favour?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 George Thorne to start Saturday? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 30 minutes ago, Walsall_Ram said: Someone's back in favour?? Excuse my ignorance, but could someone explain the significance of this screenshot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsall_Ram Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 35 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Excuse my ignorance, but could someone explain the significance of this screenshot? Only just changed today as it was still last seasons picture despite being around the club with everyone else.. Either he's been camera shy or a move away broke down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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